Trump 2024!
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I've always wanted to see a breakdown of all this too. I live in the middle of corn country and my kids always ask what farmers can make. I tell them there are too many variables, especially if one owns their land outright.
I do know your quarter million for machines is way low for most equipment used today. It's all fascinating.
You won't have too, I will tell them it was you and Bloom is the reason I canceled
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Is there something you're not telling us?
'The board is on life support as it is'.
Is there something you're not telling us?
I was staying low 365k is a closer figure yet my neighbors are using 1960s IH turbo diesels that make noise but the do OK
Anything IH, does well better than "OK".
I lost my mind this year looking at all of the harvested soybean fields, that 2 weeks after harvest, there was a total new crop growing in the fields, from the bean that washed through the combines.
IH perfected the axial flow combines, and then Shitter deere (after patent expiration) , adopted but they hozed the final adjustment mechanism. With a little research, all of those files were Shitter Deere equipment harvested fields.
Shitter Deere left a bumper crop in the field this year! Potentially billions of $$. People may starve due to Shitter Deere's performance.
Go Big Red !
The Mennos around me love IH Turbos , steel wheel whatever they run and run
That's some old school love right there! OHHH if I could go back.
Those are strong runners , They just run them wide open loud around here but tractor of choice don't see much green on normal farms
Progressives have struggled to win senate and governor's positions in primaries.
The movement is Bernie's so it's been a thing for nearly a decade.
It's true that a lot of younger people are attracted to the progressive movement, but it's currently not at a mass level.
AOC and the squad will definitely be players in the future, but I don't think in the next couple of elections.
They and their movement needs to expand and grow first and that youth movement needs to move into a power phase of their lives (hell we struggle getting young people to actually vote).
I'm curious on where it will go. Does it continue to expand or will it fizzle. Will it be like Goldwater's movement (which 16 years later a Goldwater apostle won the presidency in Reagan) or go the way of the Reform party under Perot?
Either way, the progressive soup isn't quite ready yet IMO. It still needs time to cook.
The republican extreme under Trump is obviously here now.
Because demand dropped significantly from a pandemic while at the same time Russia and the Saudi's got into a price war squabble.
The Russians over produced to f with the Saudi's which flooded the market and drop prices down significantly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Russia–Saudi_Arabia_oil_price_war
Trump had nothing to do with it but he sure liked to tell you he did.
The Progs need to pass some kind of meaningful legislation. Problem there is they will need to actually compromise to get enough votes. But if they compromise they are no longer true believers. They’re frauds in the eyes of their followers. Charlatans. Like all the rest of the DC politicians. Sounds like another group we’ve heard so much about over the past 5-6 years.
They’re trapped in a box of their own design. Somebody’s going to break ranks and that person will likely become very powerful in the Dem party. But who?
Spot on.
It's like the recent BBB bill.
They muck it up because it's not everything that they want but in the meantime, they're gambling that they won't get anything if it doesn't get passed before the next legislative body (as there is a high chance that the Dems are going to lose some leverage).
As you said, it's not really a movement of calculated compromise which is probably why it's so attractive to younger people right now.
The way the go after Manchin and Senima drives me nuts. Right now Manchin is a unicorn. A popular D in a blood red republican area. If we push him out he's just going to be replaced by a Republican.
Young, dumb and angry.
I am curious how the movement matures and grows.
As a dem, I don't disagree with a lot of their fighting points.
I can't stand how they communicate their messaging.
I go back to Pete and Bernie. Both proposed a single payer public healthcare option. Bernie's blows up the entire system and was going to cost 60 trillion over ten years.
Pete's was a choice that basically expanded medicare for everyone, but still allowed for the private sector to participate. The whole 'medicare for all who wants it'.
It cost a fraction of Bernie's plan because it compromised while using the current apparatus. Point being Pete believed it would become a single payer preference, but it didn't force people onto it that wanted to keep their current plan.
Holy shit the Bernie Bros just killed him with a venom that was as intense as what we see between the left and right.
Point being, you are spot on. They had zero interest in a compromise. It was you go all the way to the edge with me or f#$k off.
That typically doesn't work well in our system.
But the progressives did compromise on the Build Back Better Bill. An awful lot of what they wanted was cut. It was just Manchin and Sinema who messed that one up. I still hope they find a way to get some parts of it passed. . There was a lot in there that could positively impact people’s lives.
I think, if I recall correctly, there was a fight on the second part a long with some intense near bullying of Manchin.
I thought they were close to getting a chunk of the second part, including some voter rights laws (that are desperately needed) but the progs got pissed and pulled back, then Manchin pulled out.
I'm not happy with Manchin to say the least, especially when he supposedly was in and then did a 180 then going on Fox....but he's still a unicorn senator that is needed, especially since it's so hard to get any republican support.
To your point, I do get a kick out of saying AOC and MTG are two sides of the same coin. Political messaging yes. Political intent....no.
Someone's gotta pay for the soccer posts.
Exactly. There is some stuff in there even I am in favor of. But what frosts my rear is why the Democratic leadership and Biden jam everything into a single bill. The trend towards multi thousand page bills that are not read or understood that cover an entire political agenda is just bullshit. It’s not how congress is supposed to legislate and it is as anti-democratic as The Big Lie.
I would agree they compromised (to some extent) but, like many bills in Congress, it was written by who was in power and though very little of trying to bring votes from the other side of the aisle. That leaves everything on a razor's edge unless your party has some kind of super majority. Agree on Manchin but he's close to going independent and is really facing headwinds in WV.
Really like COH's point that the Progs very well could have picked us some moderate Pub votes on many of the initiatives in the BBB but they chose to just try and ram through a massive bill instead of trying to do it piecemeal. Additionally, they know nothing of politics b/c if they were to bring to the floor smaller bills focused a few legislative ideas at a time, they would get the Pubs (and the Manchins and the Sinemas) to vote up or down. Right now, b/c of the size of the bill, it's far to easy to blame a NO vote on the cost.
Slovenia has a type of universal healthcare with some private options for expanded healthcare coverage. Last time I looked, the entire law governing the healthcare system was about 40 pages long. (Iirc)
All of their laws are specific and precise. It’s possible. Oh, and they’re readable for non-experts like me. I don’t even know Slovenian language incredibly well and I could still understand everything.
I doubt it will be Jo for the Libertarians. Her goal was to increase membership and she did that. I think the percentage fell short because of the drive about getting numbers out to vote against Trump got more voters in. "Support our horrible idiot." I will never vote for any other party and switched in 2016 because Dems and Reps are just horrible people. It is either Vote Gold or not participate. I sure wouldn't put the Dem and Rep gov. experiences as a positive. Since i have been paying attention since the 70s, our government is pure crap.As much as I despise all the BUTTRUMP posts, I'm starting to think that if he tones down his divisive rhetoric, even to just Desantis levels, he will be the nominee in 2024. The tax evasion/fraudulent valuations (case(s)) in NY appear to be toast. DA clearly has zero appetite for filing them. Obstruction as set forth in the equivocal Mueller report is about to be time barred, leaving only GA election shit left standing.
Trump's obviously awful. Only the most loyal adherents can forget his meltdown during the summer of love and the early stages of Covid, which are nothing compared to perpetuating The Big Lie. In the same vein only the most loyal adherents would support Biden and/or Harris at this point. As bad as Biden is, and as old as he is, he's still preferable to Harris who is simply an unmitigated disaster.
So, for the first time, and recognizing the difficulty and obstacles inherent to running as a third party candidate, is it possible that we could have a viable third party/independent candidate in 2024? Unlike any time in history (I think), we have individuals that have the wealth to fund it themselves (Ross Perot obviously, but even he didn't have the money of some folks today (even adjusted). I believe he and Wallace have done the best as a third). My understanding is that there are no campaign loan caps, only reporting requirements. I know Marv and other posters I think a lot of, Sope I believe, value gov experience. I don't. I like the idea of an outsider. Might 2024 be the year? One would think seeing Trump vs. Harris/Warren/Pete/AOC would inspire one with the means to think that this might be a rare station in time to pull a Trump 2.0 but as a true third party candidate. Thoughts? And as much as I'd love to see a libertarian win, Jo doesn't have the juice or the "It" factor to ever do much. Plus Clemson Taters are arguably as insufferable as OSU fans. That alone is disqualifying.
How the Manhattan D.A.’s Investigation Into Donald Trump Unraveled (Published 2022)
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*advance apologies for the screwed up parentheticals. Too many drinks today. The parentheticals read like a bad David Foster Wallace paragraph
I just wish they'd let them participate in the debates. Either Jo or Spike would destroy them. Even if not enough to win at least enough so America can see how eff'd up the 2 Dems and Reps are. I expect Spike has a good shot at being the candidate in 24. Dave smith is getting a lot of pub but he can be pretty radical. I'd vote for either but I could see smith rubbing people wrong.
Ive seen Amish pull a hay bailer with a gasoline engine on it. Where I live they arent Amish right by me, drive buggies, store clothes, no beards but have electric from the pole and will drive tractors with steel wheels on them and those IH turbodiesel are king of the hill they don't like JD much.
No gasoline or diesel.
Ok then I get Trudeau for mine, please.
They had cut it way back, at the last edition of it, and Manchin had originally said he could go for that. I think it’s like any type of negotiation, you swing for the fences, knowing you’ll be lucky to get half.
Listen Graber. Yo neber plant rows in odd numbers.!! You'll surely go to hell for this!
No gasoline or diesel.
It's Martin here half or more of my township are Martin's . They are actually good people and I prefer them to Amish. My one neighbor always plows my drive with his Bobcat when its a deep snow , he says yeah, I like to plow. Can't beat that!
Do you know how foolish you sound ? You go on about Trump being an adulterer and this and that and whatever to women and then you post something like this???
don't claim any farming or tractor expertise in the slightest, but my understanding is that besides the massive cost thing, that old school is still popular because if they break down, the farmer can fix it himself, whereas when the giant super expensive tractors break down you have to have someone with a flatbed load it up and take it to a dealer who knows how far away to be fixed, because of the complexity and computers and chips, and because fixing or trying to fix it himself, negates the warranty.
and during important times of the season, farmers can't wait weeks for their equipment to be repaired at the dealer, which i've heard can be the case.
i've heard farmers also are big backers of "right to repair" legislation.
Wait, I was told that if your high efficiency tractor broke down in the field, all you had to do was say Diesel juice Diesel Juice Diesel Juice and everything was all better.
I did it once with my D3500. truck.... Freakin Kamala popped up outta the weeds and it never did a day's work again!
These figures are not accurate because fertilizer has quadruple in price.
Manchin and Sinema never were and never are going to vote for any bill that takes on drug pricing among numerous other things Wall St will never allow, or that has higher taxes on billionaires and corporations as part of the funding.
that said, even if Manchin and Sinema were ok with those things, i highly question if other Wall St owned Dem senators wouldn't have killed it anyway, if their bill killing vote was needed.
beside literally every Pub, big pharma and Wall St own more Dems than just Manchin and Sinema.. it's just that Manchin and Sinema enabled the others to not have to stick their heads out of their foxholes.
as for all that was packed into the bill, consider two things,
1), poison pills are real, and do get inserted into bills.
2) being they thought they had only one chance at doing something with only 51 votes, everybody's wish list and even poison pills had to packed into one mega bill of absurd size, rather than just taking on the much needed things that had huge public backing.
not that Wall St and big pharma and big telecom/media wouldn't have killed those too, even if they had 99% public support..
i have no idea if you and others are really that beyond naive, or are simply being totally dishonest and deliberately spreading misinformation/lies.
one of the biggest lies here, and echo chambered non stop by all Wall St media, (which is all media of any reach), is that a medicare for all type healthcare system that has been proven worldwide for yrs/decades to give better outcomes and universal coverage at half the cost of our system, would cost an extra 60 trillion over 10 yrs, when in reality it would save trillions.
counting only dollars that come out of one pocket, but not all the other pockets, is how that horrendous life taking, life savings taking, bankruptcy producing, lie gets perpetrated through creative accounting slight of hand.
all CORPORATE media also perpetrates that lie 24/7/365 decade after decade, because they are paid hundreds of billions to spread and perpetrate it.
talk about a whopper of a lie, on top of one that costs 60,000 American lives per yr.
on top of tieing everyone to their employer, and totally screwing up employers' ability to staff most efficiently, and killing US based business's ability to compete globally.
Is there anyway you could parse this down for the laymen? I think I get where you are going, and then it seems like a total 180. ... It's like reading the original testament. I'm right there butt those last few quadruple negatives, throw me off my horse.
In short, can ya dumb it down for me please?
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