times are a changing , kids today have to much info and to much to think about kinda sad really
transgenders in sports
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Nip it in the bud. The whole liberal plan is here and there this doesn't matter, as long as they don't care. You are right on this shouldn't even be an issue but we had a president that was going on about transgender bathrooms . Do you remember him? Once again some things seem pretty simple on this to quote the girl in Kindergarten Cop ''boys have a penis, girls have a vagina'' Did we really need laws and boycotts over which public bathroom to use? I am winging it here but thinking if I was a dude out in a dress for a day I would have timed things out pretty well and watched liquid intake so this wouldn't be an issue.
I can only imagine what that makes you then. Care to try again?
''u are a dumbass'' makes you look like a intelligent person for sure!
Did you literally just type all that out and hit post reply? Is this satire?
Obviously the information of using oo vs o has already been lost on you. Rethinking who the ''dumbass'' is yet?
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This is probably right. Even if we don't all agree on whether the answer is self-evident, or whether some discussion is warranted, it's almost certainly true that the legislature is the wrong place for that discussion to happen. Various sports governing bodies were already dealing with this as they saw fit; it should have been left to them.
What has kindof gotten lost in the pages was the question of....is this to the point of it being a massive issue? Is there an epidemic of tranny athletes kicking women out of women sports?
Or....
Is it another heated, emotional discussion that we basically are all in agreement with but we disagree in the level of fervor, set to occupy air space and discussion in place of more relevant and important discussions....like CRT (lol j/k).
I have had this discussion in real life twice, both by right wing friends who brought it up in anger and disgust, acting like it's running rampant in our schools.
Very small sample size but matches what you are saying.
I'm with you pretty much all the way on this topic but you lose me on the 'mental health' issue/statement.
Are you saying that trans is a mental health issue?
That leads down the path of something that can and needs to be 'cured'.
We're (as a libtard) are simply saying where on the national priority list does this fall? Because we still have a high level of unemployment, we have businesses scratching and clawing their way back and we have the largest vaccination logistical plan (and now sell) to implement among other things like the middle east conflict, immigration overflow, the complete withdrawal from Afghanistan by Sept 11th, the infrastructure bill, the police reform bill.....and we're talking about Tranny's in sports or Mr. Potato Head's Nuts.
I can't disagree with any of that and when I look at who is in charge of this it is just frightening .
I don’t think anyone here rates it but we all like sports and it’s novel and marv raised some interesting bio issues and jdb posted a funny pic and it’s a topic that allows us to comfortably assume our predictable sides so it’s something else to help kill a rainy wed - beats trying to explain to my stoker why the recycle guy won’t take loose amazon boxes
Appreciate the first part of your post.
Not sure if the second part is a rip on Goat, Biden or the gd libs in general but, thanks for the honest reply.
I think it's a good topic because, even if Marv is right and it doesn't really have a whole lot of real-world effects, the handful of places where it does do strongly intersect with some individual lives, and in a way that doesn't provide for easy answers. The problems that are easy to solve, even if they are big ones, don't really make us better thinkers. The problems that are hard to solve, even if they are tiny, do.
Trust me who is in charge of a message board makes me little difference but the things you bring up and looking at who is in leadership of the country flat out is scary
Well, you're wrong......per usual.
The Civil War accounted for at least 615,000 deaths, and new estimates have it closer to 750,000.
But, I bet you weren't counting those pesky Southerners as Americans. Not at all surprising.....
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All the folks that I have dealt with in a professional setting have been searching for a "cure" (your word) or a treatment (my preferred term)
Nah, screw that. "Just let it be and let things work themselves out" is a total joke coming from people who back a "Progressive" Party. Not letting small things work themselves out is literally baked into the make up of the left. It is the reason that these bills have to be considered in the first place.
Thanks for the data. I used Wikipedia American deaths in combat and yeah, it must not count the south as being 'Anerican' during that time.
Does it change the point? Nope, not one bit.
We've lost around the same amount as we did in the civil war in a fourth of the time.
Please don't come back with % per million or some other diversionary argument....the point was there was an excessive amount of death.
Only answer if you disagree and why.
Thanks.
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Gender dysphoria is a condition per the DSM-V. It requires treatment.
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
"back in the day" craziest back in the day is that you used to be able to get social security disability for being a drunk. there's an old bar called colombos where they'd cash their checks for them and plop them right down at the bar
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So will “being white” in the future. I can play this game all day.
The issue is about fair competition. The question is about having a distinct physical advantage over the people you're competing against because you claim to be a member of that sex. Claiming to be a female is not be enough. The must be a standard that all competitors must meet. What that standard is, and how is measured, I don't know. It seems logical. as McMurtry suggested, that muscle mass, hormone levels, bone density, would be factors, what else, I don't know. Everyone should have a problem with any state that allows a biological male compete against girls without first setting a physical standard that must be met before they can compete. It must be an empirical standard that is testable. The participant ( and his/her attorneys) cannot be allowed to set the standard. To me, this has nothing to do with what a person claims to be, it is about what sex a person is proven to be through a scientifically verifiable test. Some might say that testing transgenders (.5-.7% of pop.) is not fair. Not testing them before allowing them to compete against girls is unfair to 51+% of the population.
I have nothing but sympathy for a boy who has an sexual identity problem. It would be a horrendous personal issue to deal with. But to disadvantage all female athletes based solely on someone's self identification is wrong.
Oh, right. Conservative talk show hosts and politicians are the problem.
Not the obvious unfairness of biological males competing in women's sports. No, everyone would have been fine with it, if not for Hannity, Limbaugh and Desantis.
I really thought you were smarter than that. Guess I was wrong.
Uncle Mark really jumped the shark on this issue and has fully exposed his political partisanship.
Interesting.
I can't figure out by quick reading it if the therapy is encouragement or discouragement.
It does say this under 'treatment'....
'Psychological attempts to force a transgender person to be cisgender (sometimes referred to as gender identity conversion efforts or so-called “gender identity conversion therapy”) are considered unethical'.
So I apologize wholeheartedly if he was saying encouragement treatment vs some kind of conversion therapy, but since he (or she) labeled it as a mental health issue then I'm assuming the latter.
For me I don't understand it but if it's a personal source of happiness, why can't we just leave them be in their personal happiness as long as they aren't forcing their will onto others?
Circling back to the OP, I think that last line is in play which is why I agree with the concensus with trans athletes.
Thanks for the link.
yeah i don't think it's a classification of the person as mental but rather a product of the attendant shit like stress and anxiety, which is in keeping with ada (historically)
absurd right. i can't remember when you could no longer claim alcoholism as an impairment . i want to say mid to late 90s. that social security disability stuff is an odd area of the law. i don't know if it's still the case but for years a non lawyer could represent claimants through application, request for consideration or whatever they called it, and the actual hearing.
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Nah it's more that we get a little squimish passing legislation that is more likely just going to raise the public vitriol against a group of people who are already being ostracized, cast out and bullied for an epidemic that doesn't really exist beyond an exception bases.
Add to that DeSantis signed his bill on the first day of pride month to what, send a message of what?
