transgenders in sports
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I don’t know if that’s true or not, but i suspect you’re wrong as it relates to parents actually involved. I’ve posted it before but as nutty as we’ve become as a society the “sport parent” is the worst version imaginable.
The bills I’ve read don’t prohibit transgender athletes from playing; they just have to play with the gender they were at birth. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Every decision we make carries consequences....
Not true. There are bills all over the country. Like 40 or somewhere close. Now they may be a pretense to further culture wars/attacks but it’s not limited to DeSantis.
It's only a non thing if you aren't a female that has a male competing against you in a sport. How is it a non issue just because your liberal diety isn't bringing it up? Of all the liberal BS I hear this is one of the best. Oh its OK to let Johnnie be Joanie and run track against other girls because he feels like a woman. There is a point where the whole every one is equal falls apart because we arent all equal in every sense. men and women playing chess ? Fine , whether their minds work exactly the same isnt an issue vs biological males feeling like a woman and competing against biological women. It's ridiculous.Maybe the level should be set by whether they are actually capable of having children? You do realize there are differences in men and women right?
Not angry. Trying to understand why anyone would think it's fine for boys to be eligible to compete for a spot on a girls basketball team.
This should not be a topic that needs much discussion.
If you're a male you compete against other males in the athletic world.
I used the phrasing "the DeSantis's" for a reason. He's just a prime example. As is Carlson.
Surgery and hormone therapy are two very different things, and even within the realm of hormone therapy there's a wide range of treatments. There's not some huge rash of children getting reassignment surgery, it just doesn't happen. Typically what happens for trans children is the option of delaying puberty. That's done specifically to allow time for the child to mature before making more permanent decisions. It means that secondary sex characteristics don't develop and there's still a chance to make a choice either way. Someone who begins true hormone therapy without having gone through puberty is going to have more effective results and fewer side-effects of that treatment. That all seems entirely reasonable to me that we give those children the chance to say that they may want to make that decision but wait until they mature to do something that's more difficult to undo. All that said, the research I've seen shows that the vast majority of children who express gender dysphoria don't "grow out of it" or change their mind later (I still think that this approach makes sense regardless).
I could be wrong, but I've yet to see any Democratic politicians making a big performance about this.
You either haven't read my contributions in this thread or your comprehension sucks.
I don't know.
How is this even a thing that needs discussed?
This is a mental health issue not an athletic issue.
The only people making this an issue out of 99% of the world are leftist just trying to be contrary. It really isn't even a political issue. If it weren't taking place the subject doesn't need brought up but it is and the only defenders are Leftist just being contrary because no one with any common sense at all can defend it.
Look at what legislatures are addressing this "problem". Look at which governors are signing those bills. Look at which TV commentators are giving it lip service.
This is so disingenuous, but par for the course. It's only a culture war if the Republicans push back on this insanity. Gotcha....glad to see your up-to-date on your Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. You know the part about redefining terms.
Maybe that should tell you that you are supporting the wrong side. What the hell? What part of men competing against women because they think they are women sounds right to you? This is why liberals look/are so totally stupid, they will support completely idiotic ideas just because another democrat is for it. Do you think cauliflower is racist because AOC said it too?
So you concede that it's the Republicans making an issue out of this. Progress.
Now, as far as the insanity goes, I don't believe I've seen anyone of any persuasion in this board claim that trans girls/women should be freely allowed to compete in girls/women's sports. The closest thing I've seen is people saying there's no evidence of this being a widespread problem and that there really is little to no advantage for the trans athlete. Yet the rhetoric from the right makes it sound like hoards of trannys are lining up to decimate girls sports, taking their scholarships and crushing their dreams.
Methinks they doth protest too much.
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You’re far too complicated. In reality liberals are just terrified of the mob by admitting what is clearly and objectively the truth on this topic.
OK so no one should protest anything and just let it all go. You make about zero sense, then again liberal thinking. So by the same thinking that only a few are competing it is OK and we should just shrug our shoulders and say wth its no big deal. Where does this thinking end? Hoards of cops aren't killing people by any means so all of the stuff people were rioting about should just be ''meh it wasn't really a whole lot of them''? Liberals and the thought process behind them are astounding
It wasn't long ago 600,000 dead of COVID was no big deal to the John Birch Right. And now a handful of transsexuals in sports are a vital national interest?
I tried to discuss what advantages transexuals might have, might some sports be more problematic than others. Jamie did that in a post as well. There can be an intelligent conversation to be had, just not during the weekly Birch Society meeting.
Interesting stats I saw of what % of the population died last yr vs other recent years and almost no different. The only sports I can see it not being problematic aren't really sports are they? Sports is about physical abilities. I guess being a jockey maybe? Bowling? Cornhole maybe?Just what actual sport do you not see a male physique having an advantage over a female? I'm not denying womens basketball players would kick my ass . Why is this even a question? Coed softball and volleyball beer leagues are great later in life but it is very unfair in competitive sports. If you take some of the worst NBA 7 footers ever, give them a bra and play in the WNBA they are going to dominate
Is the left signing on to these bills?
If not, why not?
Are the Democratic politicians afraid of the backlash they would receive.
If anything should be bipartisan...this should be it.
You've lost me here.
Not sure where that response came from
I'm just ridiculing the notion that this is even worth discussing, yet alone legislating.
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I don’t know what you’re doing in here with this post. This isn’t Marv. This is Marv grasping at straws.
600k dead, with the plurality of them the unhealthiest of the population doesn’t justify the damage done to the country from a mental health and small business standpoint. That will inevitably be proven in subsequent investigations.
Transgendered men competing in women’s sports will also be something our descendants will read about in their texts and shake their heads wondering what the **** we were thinking.
Good I'm glad we agree that boys competing in girls sports is asinine.
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#24 and then you made it all about politics. Your party couldn't deal with it so you somehow turn it into a fault of the people that did stand up. Apparently what you are saying is liberals lack common sense in general and I don't disagree with you on that.
Excellent post but you give the implication throughout this thread that this was and is a one way street from the republicans. These bills are being challenged by the aclu in court as well as defended by the lgbt community.
What’s right here - I don’t know. I don’t know enough about the biological changes and how they relate to advantages to be informed. But to imply it’s a right concocted issue/nonissue isn’t fair
I just find it downright silly that this is being made into some kind of huge problem that needs addressed by the legislatures of the various states, all of which seem to be Republican. Let the sports associations or conferences or federations deal with it -- if it ever comes up. And if it ends up in court somewhere, so be it.
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Agreed. Our society is in a super weird place. I’ve got a rising 5th grade girl. Talking about all this stuff is a nightmare
Then you guys must be a couple brain dead liberals. Guilt by association.
Who owns and runs the media, Hollywood, professional sports, political office, and the banks?
They can control the narrative and dominate propaganda.
Knowing the truth has lifted the blinders off my eyes.
They want the US finished (if it already isn't ) and just get another country to fight their wars.
They killed my savior.
Wait, what?
600k is over twice as many casualties that we have taken in any war, never mind it was in a little over a year. The death toll isn't done yet.
It's set up to be one of the deadliest years in our history...but the damage to mental health and small businesses will be viewed as a greater catastrophe?
Don't agree with you on that one Ranger.
It's hard to make a case that an outcome is worse than death at a macro and micro level, especially death at twice the level of WW2.
