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We've been through this - there are protocols, but the President doesn't have to follow them. I've posted proof of that and you had no rebuttal.

You've certainly passed judgement on Trump - no backpedaling now. Nothing is 'known' outside what you've been told.

I'll never be embarrassed for pointing out the facts.
You provided no evidence that they were declassified other than Trump saying he did. A man that lies far more often than Bill Clinton, the previous ultimate Liar-In-Chief. Records of declassification are required and no one has produced them. The documents themselves require downgrade markings, and these don’t have those or we’d know that by now.

Your facts are generally your unsupported and misinformed opinions.

You’ve demonstrated no concern for protection of classified material. Your sole concern is defending our former President and he’s not worthy of support on this issue.
 
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We've been through this - there are protocols, but the President doesn't have to follow them. I've posted proof of that and you had no rebuttal.

You've certainly passed judgement on Trump - no backpedaling now. Nothing is 'known' outside what you've been told.

I'll never be embarrassed for pointing out the facts.

NY Times v CIA, the court disagreed that the president does not have to follow.

The Times next contends that the President’s tweet and statements to the Wall Street Journal interviewer declassified the fact that the program existed, thus precluding the CIA from invoking FOIA Exemptions 1 and 3. The Times argues that this “conclusion flows inexorably from the President’s supreme authority in matters of classification.” This novel argument is without merit. It is true that the President has broad authority to classify and declassify, derived from the President’s dual role “as head of the Executive Branch and as Commander in Chief” of the armed forces.74 The “authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security . . . flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President and exists quite apart from any 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 explicit congressional grant.”75 To make its declassification claim, the Times essentially recasts its “official acknowledgement” claim as one of “inferred declassification.” To prevail in any claim of declassification, inferred or otherwise, the Times’s must show: first, that President Trump’s statements are sufficiently specific; and second, that such statements subsequently triggered actual declassification. The first is easily disposed of because we have already found that the statements are insufficiently specific to quell any “lingering doubts” about what they reference. The second requires further discussion. Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures.76​

Bolding is mine. A president has to be specific about what he declassified. He can't just say "all things I want declassified to avoid me being in trouble are declassified".

The courts also ruled this way in Leopold v Dept of Justice, https://law.justia.com/cases/federa...ct-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2019cv01278/206853/86/

There Trump tweeted he had declassified all material on Mueller, so someone sought it and was turned down.
 
You need an edit here.

And why are you still attempting substantive engagement with that poster? You're spinning your wheels.
Darned autocorrect. I hit the I instead of u a lot and obviously post IU often. The rest is history - and I fixed it.
 
So, in your opinion, what would have happened if your or MrBing would have done what they did? Would there have been different punishment (if any) differences between the different scenarios?
I'm active duty so for me the minimum would be Non-Judicial Punishment with separation from the Air Force. Court-Martial and prison time would be worst case.
 
Going through Melania's underwear drawer isn't a raid? They were there all freaking day when they supposedly knew what docs were there and where they were.

It was a raid to 99.99% of the populace.
That is exactly what a search is. but isn't Trump the only person that said that happened? Do you believe him?
 
WELL SOB .. And then a few days later, they accused Trump of planting them.
I mean really... What were the odds?
Who is "they"? All I can find on the googs is something about Joy Behar saying that on The View. Is that the "they" you are talking about?
 
Who is "they"? All I can find on the googs is something about Joy Behar saying that on The View. Is that the "they" you are talking about?
Joy was one, but there were 2-3 other, congressmen, spouting it. I just watched a montage and have no way to link or provide citation. It was on Fox though, so that automatically eliminates it, even though it was actual video of people claiming it.
 
Joy was one, but there were 2-3 other, congressmen, spouting it. I just watched a montage and have no way to link or provide citation. It was on Fox though, so that automatically eliminates it, even though it was actual video of people claiming it.
Was it actually video of people in Congress saying "Trump planted the documents in Biden's office" or was it just vague criticism of Trump doing being at fault that could have been referring to anything?
 
Was it actually video of people in Congress saying "Trump planted the documents in Biden's office" or was it just vague criticism of Trump doing being at fault that could have been referring to anything?
It was actual video of them suspecting Republicans of planting them "because that is what they do". Joy... or whom ever that chubby white one on the view is, was the one that specifically mentioned Trump I believe.
Anyway it's all immaterial. I CALLED IT! It's only begun.
 
reminder: We are in the 3rd calendar year of the archives trying to locate and secure missing documents from Trump.
Which kind of begs the question how the archives didn’t know that there were classified documents missing from when Biden left office 6 years ago?

Also, am I understanding correctly that Biden had classified documents stored in the garage at his house?
 
It was actual video of them suspecting Republicans of planting them "because that is what they do". Joy... or whom ever that chubby white one on the view is, was the one that specifically mentioned Trump I believe.
Anyway it's all immaterial. I CALLED IT! It's only begun.
Yeah, I don't think so. I saw the Fox story. Hank Johnson floated the idea that things can be planted. He didn't float any potential culprits. Even on the View, no one accused anyone of anything. Behar lamented at the lucky timing for Trump, and another host asked Whoopi if it "felt" like Republicans were behind it, and she said that while her mind went there immediately, no, she didn't' feel that way.
 
This whole ordeal strikes me as a really ham handed attempt to rehab the DOJ’s image as Republicans take control of the House and investigations of Garland’s partisan bullshit begin in earnest.

Frankly, I would rather they had kept the whole thing under wraps. It insults my intelligence.
 
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Yeah, I don't think so. I saw the Fox story. Hank Johnson floated the idea that things can be planted. He didn't float any potential culprits. Even on the View, no one accused anyone of anything. Behar lamented at the lucky timing for Trump, and another host asked Whoopi if it "felt" like Republicans were behind it, and she said that while her mind went there immediately, no, she didn't' feel that way.
So Joe misrepresenting the facts....shocking
 
Which kind of begs the question how the archives didn’t know that there were classified documents missing from when Biden left office 6 years ago?
I think that Archives was on to Trump's missing documents because a couple of them had been well-publicized, such as the "love letter" from his North Korea dictator buddy. You wouldn't necessarily miss a lot of more mundane things, such as an agenda for meetings with a head of state, or the security plans for that meeting, as examples. But nobody would likely intentionally save those, either.
 
I think that Archives was on to Trump's missing documents because a couple of them had been well-publicized, such as the "love letter" from his North Korea dictator buddy. You wouldn't necessarily miss a lot of more mundane things, such as an agenda for meetings with a head of state, or the security plans for that meeting, as examples. But nobody would likely intentionally save those, either.
The archives doesn’t track classified documents. That’s not their job.
 
The archives doesn’t track classified documents. That’s not their job.
I am not saying they are "tracking" them, but if they KNOW that a certain document exists because it was highly publicized (the Kim Jung Un love letter) and it is nowhere to be found, and people / historians are asking to see it, you might inquire about where it went.
 
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That is exactly what a search is. but isn't Trump the only person that said that happened? Do you believe him?
Do I believe they searched Melania's closet, clothing, and personal items?

Yes I do. I've heard no denial by the DOJ.
 
A Trump lawyer.

You know that's not Trump, right?

The lawyer also told him there were more documents, after Trump handed over 15 boxex of documents. The FBI had complete access to the rooms. After they were told there were other docs, the DOJ issued a subpoena without any further discussion.

Compare that with the DOJ trusting Biden's lawyers that those were all the classified documents and then taking their word for it.

2 Tier system of justice.
 
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You provided no evidence that they were declassified other than Trump saying he did. A man that lies far more often than Bill Clinton, the previous ultimate Liar-In-Chief. Records of declassification are required and no one has produced them. The documents themselves require downgrade markings, and these don’t have those or we’d know that by now.

Your facts are generally your unsupported and misinformed opinions.

You’ve demonstrated no concern for protection of classified material. Your sole concern is defending our former President and he’s not worthy of support on this issue.
I've provided no evidence? No shit. News flash: I wasn't there. Neither were you.

If I were you, I'd wait for the trial. It will all come out then. Right now, you believe whatever the media shovels out. If I were you, I'd be a little leery of believing everything you hear from them, considering their record on reporting the truth.
 
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