You're confused. That's Trump's M.O.
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Has anybody called Biden's case a "nothingburger"? Haven't seen that.
-Mishandling classified documents is serious and is a concern.
-Knowingly and intentionally mishandling LOTS of classified documents (in a Trump-like fashion) is even more serious and is a huge concern.
-Obstructing, lying about it, and generally refusing to cooperate until forced (also, in a Trump-like fashion) would take it up several notches further.
Biden or his team deserves heat. If any of it sinks to Trump-like depths in terms of interference, lack of cooperation, or sheer high volume of material, Biden should absolutely be impeached. It's hugely disappointing and at minimum careless, even if there is full transparency and cooperation.
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Yeah... maybe "I only murdered 1 person and he murdered 2" would be better.
Did they find his World's Fair spoon? He's been looking for that for ages.It looks like some more were found:
Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location
On Monday, the White House acknowledged a "small number" of classified documents had been found in an office Biden used.www.nbcnews.com
Well you basically are, by every time you post saying what Trump did was worse and in reality you have no clue about any of it. You literally don't have the ability to see straight.
he sure seems to get your attention #smalldickenergylowinformationposter.
My question is about these abandoned /unused offices are and why left that way? Trump's files were at least at a current property he owns with some sort of security vs just being left behind in old offices.It looks like some more were found:
Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location
On Monday, the White House acknowledged a "small number" of classified documents had been found in an office Biden used.
We don't know enough about either case to judge either one.
However, it's pretty clear you've passed judgement on Trump - without knowing the facts.
Not hypocrisy, necessarily, but dancing around it.
Where are the pictures of the classified document strewn around Biden's office? We are being played by the DOJ.
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Karma's a bitch, isn't it?
You were so much older then. You're younger than that now.
My question is about these abandoned /unused offices and why they were left that way? Trump's files were at least at a current property he owns with some sort of security vs just being left behind in old offices.It looks like some more were found:
Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location
On Monday, the White House acknowledged a "small number" of classified documents had been found in an office Biden used.
We know that classified documents were mishandled in both cases.
We know that Trump resisted giving up his classified documents. We don't have any evidence that Biden was resisting giving up his. So far, the reporting is that his lawyers or staffers discovered they had some and turned them in. If something more is reported, we can add that to what is known.
I'm not sure I understand your last sentence. The DOJ didn't have to subpoena for the Biden documents or serve up a search warrant because Biden refused to give them up.
First, what's with those hashtags? We already knew you were a low information guy, but why did you feel the need to disclose another of your, um, shortcomings? My sympathies on your anatomical deficiencies.
Next, you need to learn the difference between "influence" and "attention." Of course danc gets my attention. So does a train wreck. You can't look away.
Speaking of attention, he claims to have me on "ignore" but, given the "love" emoji he planted on your post (you two really should get a room), he clearly still reads everything I post. Too funny.
So it's OK to show evidence if they have to subpoena it? Seriously?
The DOJ leaks like a sieve if it involves Trump. Yet, Biden's 1st group of docs was discovered before the election and we're just now hearing about it.
I think it's fairly obvious what I meant in the last statement.
You've passed judgement on Trump because his house was raided? So you believe if the DOJ uses Gestapo tactics, it proves guilt. Got it.
The simple fact that the documents were at Mar-a-Lago demonstrates someone mishandled them. The simple fact that the documents were at Biden's old office demonstrates someone mishandled them. That's all you're saying, right? Seems pretty clear to me.
Your question is irrelevant. I’m not into your bad faith arguments tonight. Carry on.
You're the one differentiating between the 2 instances (well, 3, if you count Biden as hiding them in 2 places).
Don't run away when confronted with me pointing it out.
Are you in NorCal? It’s been a monsoon this week
It’s well known that I’m a stickler on mishandling classified information and I know the rules.
No two cases are exactly the same.
It’s established that both Trump and Biden or their staffs mishandled classified information- at this point we know both included TS/SCI. We know, so far that Trump’s situation involved around 10 times more documents (could change). We know Trump knew he had them because he said he had them (and claimed they were his and that he declassified them - no evidence either is true) and refused to give.them back. So, far there is no evidence Biden knew he had these among his papers and no evidence that he tried to keep them. Biden’s situation is very similar to HRC’s, Trump’s is HRC plus. Based on what we know now.
Don’t be a hypocrite, but I fully expect you will be.
In a way it's worse that Biden was surprised that they were there. Makes me wonder where else he might have left some. Trump knew he had some but continued to be his normal arrogant a$$hole and thought he could keep them.
Trump has minions and Fox do his lying for him
Biden has his minions and MSNBC/Cnn do his lying for him.
They will go to the monitor and return with offsetting technical fouls.
Each team will say they got screwed
Play resumes.
Can Garland do a two for one on The Big Guy’s special prosecutor? Top secret documents and his 10% Big Guy commission on Hunter’s foreign deals.
BTW when does the FBI start doing raids? The Big Guy seems to have secret documents in multiple locations.
BTW when does the FBI start doing raids? The Big Guy seems to have secret documents in multiple locations.
The story out is that after the first batch was discovered they began searching all locations he might have documents. It wasn't that anyone directed people to one specific location.
Believe it, don't, that's what was reported.
Concur with what we know and I'd rank the seriousness of the mishandling from gross negligence to willful intent based in order of Biden to Hillary to Trump. We'll learn more about Biden and Trump cases and ranking could change but it's not likely it will for which one is the worst. What bothers me about this the most is that we would lose our clearances and careers minimum but these civilians are held to so much lower standards. We can't trust politicians with national security information but we have to. It's FUBAR.
Why would they do any raids? Biden's having them turned in as they are found and DOJ is doing their investigation for compromise which is required. Trump held his for 18 months after asked for them and refused to turn them in so the search was necessary. It wasn't much of a raid since they arranged it and walked in the front door with Trump staffers and lawyers. They wouldn't have been so nice to you and me.
It is unlikely we are going to jail politicians for failing to protect secrets or even remove them. Certainly, it isn't possible to take away the President's access. But it would seem hefty fines should be allowed.
I heard someone explain it as there are a lot of papers in a meeting, some classified and some not. And it is easy to grab them all up and leave and have them mixed. I don't find that a good excuse as clearly people like you have to deal with this too. Maybe when these meetings with politicians end, no one is allowed to leave with any paperwork. A person is assigned to go to each seat and sort the papers and return them to the proper owner.
I don't know what we can do, but this shouldn't be tolerated. We know of these two cases, how many others are out there? It makes me think there might be hundreds.
When we have meetings involving classified documents it's standard practice for all the classified documents to be collected and accounted for before anyone leaves the controlled access area.
That should happen at these meetings, but I suspect at a high enough level in the government people are allowed to take them to their office to "study". Just guessing as I can't think of any other reason this has happened.
These cases should lead to tighter procedures. It's a national embarrassment and tells our adversaries who to target for classified information. They probably already know to go after politicians and appointees so there's the need for tighter procedures.
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you think that's a comparable difference?
One person is cooperating with authorities and his own lawyers self reported the find. The other lied about declassifying them, lied about having them, refused to return them and riled up his fans to think he was being unfairly treated.
That's ignoring the fact that we are comparing a few documents to boxes full of documents.
If Trump had returned the documents promptly when asked, then he wouldn't be in trouble. It would have been a nothing burger (in regards to the DOJ investigating him). He is getting in trouble for lying and fighting about returning them.
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CNN is running with this story as their lead, 24/7, and calling it a "major political crisis" that appears to be "spiraling out of control". They have been angling to shed their deep blue reputation in recent months.
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I kinda think we have to cut these guys some slack. I’m guessing the President sees confidential/top secret docs every day/ all day as Prez. Literally thousands, maybe tens of thousands of pages of this stuff in four years.
The notion that any of them then do their own filing of said documents, after reading during their time in office or when they are leaving, seems far-fetched. They have underlings to handle this stuff.
So unless you can prove the Prez ordered someone else to remove TS material or that they found it after they left and intentionally hung onto it, I’m not sure there is much to see here. (Even with Trump, I’m guessing he told his lawyers to fight just because he never wants to admit he’s wrong about anything).
To prevent this kind of thing going forward, we need tighter protocols when changing administrations on what is taken out of the White House it appears.
How do we know he’s turning them in as they’re found? He certainly didn’t immediately tell Americans when the first batch were found and he’s not telling us where the second batch was found.
It’s all irrelevant, nothing is going to happen to Biden just like Clinton walked.
It’s the most disgusting thing about our Justice system. You or Aloha mistakenly take a document home and you end up custody. Politicians and other powerful people have another system of Justice. When Trump was partying with the democrats and giving them contributions he enjoyed their system. Now he’s like the rest of us when it comes to the Justice system.
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Yup, which is why Hilary didn't get in much trouble and Biden won't likely get in much trouble. It's not about the carelessness with classified documents (which yes is an issue), but about Trump's lying and refusal to return said documents.
If Trump had played ball and cooperated with the return of the documents then he would have been treated just the same. There would have been no raid, no mean DOJ going after him, and no ability for Trump to whine about how unfairly he is treated.
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