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Lol. I must say seeing what I thought were some of the more intelligent posters on this board participate in this Kabuki theater has been disappointing. The disbelief they’re willing to suspend to contend that the DOJ hasn’t suffered from partisan capture is galling.
Some people can parrot what they've heard quite well and appear intelligent.
 
we have primaries too you know, for both Pubs and Dems.

that's where the scum wins out.

SCOTUS being installed by money for money and all media now being corporate, thus not able to serve any interest other than the short term financial insterests of their ownership, doesn't help.

Unfortunately who i voted for in primaries didn't make it so the choice was given to me by others.

Hopefully better choices next round..although I doubt it.
 
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John Kelly first reaction to meeting Trump: much dumber and more amoral . One of the workers at The Apprentice: just shockingly stupid. It’s bracing, like a cold slap. Find someone who works for President Biden who speaks about him this way? You might judge him from afar, yet multiple people who work closely with Trump confirm his utter stupidity.
Whutabout 😂
 
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I don't have a 'serious love affair with Trump". But the 2 levels of justice in the US should have you outraged. I agree there should have been some way - whether verbal or written - for him to declassify if he wanted to take those docs home. But do we know what he did or didn't? No, I don't think we do. I'm willing to hear his side of it, which seems to be out of vogue these days.

If he screwed up, fine. There's a Special Counsel on it. The DOJ can then decide to indict or not. But to claim Trump's situation is so much worse than Biden's is just laughable.
John Kelly first reaction to meeting Trump: much dumber and more amoral . One of the workers at The Apprentice: just shockingly stupid. It’s bracing, like a cold slap. Find someone who works for President Biden who speaks about him this way? You might judge him from afar, yet multiple people who work closely with Trump confirm his utter stupidity.

see my post above.

you guys should both be ashamed of yourselves for defending either of these dishonest corrupt PsOS.

as for Trump, having the classified docs doesn't even rate high on his list of sins in office.

as for Biden, he's been totally corrupt his entire political life, and is now mentally unfit for office on top of his already ethically unfit.

hopefully this seals the deal on Biden not running again in 24, which would be a total disaster for the Dem party and American people if he did. (just as Trump running again would be for the Pubs and American people).
 
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I don't have a 'serious love affair with Trump". But the 2 levels of justice in the US should have you outraged. I agree there should have been some way - whether verbal or written - for him to declassify if he wanted to take those docs home. But do we know what he did or didn't? No, I don't think we do. I'm willing to hear his side of it, which seems to be out of vogue these days.

If he screwed up, fine. There's a Special Counsel on it. The DOJ can then decide to indict or not. But to claim Trump's situation is so much worse than Biden's is just laughable.
You're wrong. Again. We know much of what he did. You, though, refuse to acknowledge it because you're in (the cult) so deep.

  • January 20, 2021 - Trump leaves office (thanks be to God) and heads to Mar-A-Lago.
  • May 2021 - The National Archives and Records Administration emails Trump's lawyers advising that two dozen boxes of original records were not turned over.
  • December 2021 - A Trump representative tells the National Archives that "they had located some records."
  • January 2022 - The National Archives retrieves 15 boxes of presidential records from Mar-A-Lago. The National Archives said they had "identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials," and sought permission to notify the FBI.
  • February 2022 - The National Archives issues a statement that it is still searching for more of Trump's presidential records.
  • April 2022 - Sources confirm to Reuters that the Justice Department is investigating Trump's removal of official presidential records from the White House upon leaving office.
  • May 1, 2022 - Trump's lawyer Evan Corcoran seeks to delay disclosure to the FBI in two letters sent to the National Archives.
  • May 2022 - The Acting US Archivist rejects Trump's requested delay.
  • June 2022 - A Trump representative (whose name is redacted in the DOJ filing) asserts that a "diligent search" for White House records was conducted at Mar-A-Lago and that "any and all responsive documents accompany this certification."
  • August 8, 2022 - Federal agents execute a search warrant at Trump's Florida property, uncovering 13 boxes or containers with documents marked classified — "more than twice the amount produced June 3 in response to a grand jury subpoena."
  • September 2, 2022 - The FBI reveals in a court filing that it recovered more than 11,000 government documents and photographs during the August 8 search of Trump's estate, as well as 48 empty folders labeled as "classified." This was, of course, after Trump's lawyer previously advised that everything had already been produced.
  • October 2022 - In a letter dated October 1, 2022, the National Archives advises Congress that Team Trump still had not turned over all presidential records.
I don't expect a meaningful response from you. This is for clear-thinking readers who might be interested.
 
Do I believe they searched Melania's closet, clothing, and personal items?

Yes I do. I've heard no denial by the DOJ.
I don't know if they did or not and I don't know why anyone cares. They had a search warrant and they were searching for classified documents that could easily fit in bedroom dressers. Melania's dresser and closet are probably huge too.

I was saying that if Trump is the only person that said that happened why would anyone believe him? He lies constantly and he lied about the the documents seized at his house. He said he was cooperating for returning them (he wasn't). Then he talked about classified documents being planted and then that he took classified documents home for work and then claimed he declassified them. All those can't be true and he couldn't have declassified them because they were still marked and there is no record and he hasn't produced one. If it was required to deny every lie he told it would be a full time job. :D
 
That doesn't address the question on Trump. Why is it so hard to say "Trump screwed up" with the documents. I can easily say it with Biden, and with Clinton, they screwed up. Why can't some say that about Trump?

We know there is a long history of not pursuing charges in cases like these, unless there are extenuating circumstances, the record is very clear. If it can be argued the mishandling was an honest mistake, the leaders are told to be more careful and everything goes along. for example, Patraeus was only charged because he shared the info with a reporter which makes "an honest mistake" hard to argue.

That said, we need penalties even for honest mistakes to make sure people work hard to not have them. I have suggested hefty fines as an option. We can't take a president's clearance from them, though we could with virtually anyone else (which probably would mean losing their job). But even for a Berger, a Patraeus, a Clinton, Trump, Biden, we could slap them with fines. We can't make that retroactive, but if congress wants to pursue such legislation (and NOT exempting themselves) I fully support it.
Trump screwed up with the documents.
 
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Trump, Biden, the Clintons, GWB.

beyond belief insane anyone would back any of these corrupt dishonest total disasters of human scum.

from a known pathological liar with zero ethics or morals trying to overturn an election, to a lifelong corrupt with serious cognition issues, to corrupt Wall St shill neocons masking as friends of the working man, who did as much to fk the working man as Reagan and enabled and insured the 2008 meltdown, to a total idiot who lied his ass off to take us into 20 yrs of war we are far far worse off for than before, with zero positives to show for it.

and that's before even mentioning Obama, Reagan, McConnell, Pelosi, or the full house of corrupt lying PsOS who serve only themselves and the rich at everyone else's expense.

and all the beyond idiot sock puppets who spend their time defending and promoting any of this pile of human sht.

you guys should all be ashamed of yourselves for defending any of this scum, regardless of if it's total stupidity or total dishonesty on your part.

for the total idiots, wake up.

for the dishonest, be better.

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As always: What? Why?
 
You said it was amazing we had a dunce for a President. How amazing is it that we had one for four years that even his employees said was a dunce? Can’t be all that amazing, is it?
It’s all a problem. If The Big Guy, Newsom, Mayor Pete and Kamala are your best shot in 24, you’ve got a problem.

DeSantas is the smartest candidate but you won’t vote for him.
 
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I see House Republicans have opened an investigation into Biden's documents, good. We need to find out how this is happening and fix it.

I'd bring in John Kelly as some kind of "Czar" and charge him with evaluating how classified documents are generated, distributed, and handled. Then revamp all the protocols and re-implement them through an Executive order or (preferably) legislation.
 
John Kelly first reaction to meeting Trump: much dumber and more amoral . One of the workers at The Apprentice: just shockingly stupid. It’s bracing, like a cold slap. Find someone who works for President Biden who speaks about him this way? You might judge him from afar, yet multiple people who work closely with Trump confirm his utter stupidity.
Well you choose what you want to believe about everything based on hate right?

I happen to have had a customer whose son was on military duty at the White House staff. He said the Obama's were really nasty people. Biden was his VP. They were treated like crap basically on any kind of personal level , he had a death in the family at the end of a 2 week leave where he already was at where funeral was , requested an extra 3 days. Nope, Michelle had some meaningless thing going on he had to be back for and basically she is a flat out b!tch. He was there when the Trump's moved in and said they were completely opposite, was treated just like equals and couldn't have been nicer. Keeping in mind he dealt with them in person on a regular basis not just once in awhile.

Seems when you judge someone from afar it confirms your utter stupidity and constant venom of hatred. I wonder what people that have worked around you would confirm ?
 
You said it was amazing we had a dunce for a President. How amazing is it that we had one for four years that even his employees said was a dunce? Can’t be all that amazing, is it?
I'd truly love to hear from people that worked around you speak truthfully vs what you think they thought about you.
 
Well you choose what you want to believe about everything based on hate right?

I happen to have had a customer whose son was on military duty at the White House staff. He said the Obama's were really nasty people. Biden was his VP. They were treated like crap basically on any kind of personal level , he had a death in the family at the end of a 2 week leave where he already was at where funeral was , requested an extra 3 days. Nope, Michelle had some meaningless thing going on he had to be back for and basically she is a flat out b!tch. He was there when the Trump's moved in and said they were completely opposite, was treated just like equals and couldn't have been nicer. Keeping in mind he dealt with them in person on a regular basis not just once in awhile.

Seems when you judge someone from afar it confirms your utter stupidity and constant venom of hatred. I wonder what people that have worked around you would confirm ?
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Here's a true story which you can call BS or not, makes no difference to me.

I have a former civilian boss of about one year duration who is serving on the current National Security Council, but I have no stories from her. She was very competent and we worked great together, but she was obviously a Democrat which wasn't a problem for either of us. We've exchanged a couple emails since, but nothing about the atmosphere in the White House or anything about President Biden.

However, I do have a fellow Navy officer buddy that worked in the Clinton White House. It's well known that President Clinton was not very popular in the military, but my buddy says Bill Clinton was great to the military in the White House. He said that while he didn't vote for him, he liked him as a person because he was respectful, treated them nicely, like one of the guys sort of thing. On the other hand, HRC was not great to the military in the White House. She treated them like servants by sending senior officers to get her drinks at functions (not asking nicely - more like ordering) and always refused to ride in a limo with any military personnel that worked in the White House when the whole entourage was headed to some event. Said it was made clear that she just didn't like military people.

So, there you go, believe it or not. Bill was cool and HRC was not. ;)
 
Here's a true story which you can call BS or not, makes no difference to me.

I have a former civilian boss of about one year duration who is serving on the current National Security Council, but I have no stories from her. She was very competent and we worked great together, but she was obviously a Democrat which wasn't a problem for either of us. We've exchanged a couple emails since, but nothing about the atmosphere in the White House or anything about President Biden.

However, I do have a fellow Navy officer buddy that worked in the Clinton White House. It's well known that President Clinton was not very popular in the military, but my buddy says Bill Clinton was great to the military in the White House. He said that while he didn't vote for him, he liked him as a person because he was respectful, treated them nicely, like one of the guys sort of thing. On the other hand, HRC was not great to the military in the White House. She treated them like servants by sending senior officers to get her drinks at functions (not asking nicely - more like ordering) and always refused to ride in a limo with any military personnel that worked in the White House when the whole entourage was headed to some event. Said it was made clear that she just didn't like military people.

So, there you go, believe it or not. Bill was cool and HRC was not. ;)
That was the treatment I was told about as well and Michelle was worse than he was.
 
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That was the treatment I was told about as well and Michelle was worse than he was.
I've not even heard any rumors about what happened in the White House during the Obama or Trump administration. I've heard many rumors about Trump from senior officers. Frankly, he wasn't liked by any of those I've met. He didn't treat Kelly or Mattis well and a lot of people know them during their careers. It's possible he was nice to those in the White House, I've just not heard anything one way or the other.
 
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I've not even heard any rumors about what happened in the White House during the Obama or Trump administration. I've heard many rumors about Trump from senior officers. Frankly, he wasn't liked by any of those I've met. He didn't treat Kelly or Mattis well and a lot of people know them during their careers. It's possible he was nice to those in the White House, I've just not heard anything one way or the other.
Won't dispute you at all, I know what I was told and yes it was staff vs people higher up where there may have been differences on things and not saying right or wrong vs people just doing their job. I could see Bill probably being nice to those but can totally see the Hillary part you described. That is what I got from what I heard, they were treated like servants basically.
 
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I don't know if they did or not and I don't know why anyone cares. They had a search warrant and they were searching for classified documents that could easily fit in bedroom dressers. Melania's dresser and closet are probably huge too.

I was saying that if Trump is the only person that said that happened why would anyone believe him? He lies constantly and he lied about the the documents seized at his house. He said he was cooperating for returning them (he wasn't). Then he talked about classified documents being planted and then that he took classified documents home for work and then claimed he declassified them. All those can't be true and he couldn't have declassified them because they were still marked and there is no record and he hasn't produced one. If it was required to deny every lie he told it would be a full time job. :D
MrBing, I have too much respect for you to get into a pissing contest with you.

You had asked it it was true and it was reported, but I wasn't there, so who knows.
 
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Here's a true story which you can call BS or not, makes no difference to me.

I have a former civilian boss of about one year duration who is serving on the current National Security Council, but I have no stories from her. She was very competent and we worked great together, but she was obviously a Democrat which wasn't a problem for either of us. We've exchanged a couple emails since, but nothing about the atmosphere in the White House or anything about President Biden.

However, I do have a fellow Navy officer buddy that worked in the Clinton White House. It's well known that President Clinton was not very popular in the military, but my buddy says Bill Clinton was great to the military in the White House. He said that while he didn't vote for him, he liked him as a person because he was respectful, treated them nicely, like one of the guys sort of thing. On the other hand, HRC was not great to the military in the White House. She treated them like servants by sending senior officers to get her drinks at functions (not asking nicely - more like ordering) and always refused to ride in a limo with any military personnel that worked in the White House when the whole entourage was headed to some event. Said it was made clear that she just didn't like military people.

So, there you go, believe it or not. Bill was cool and HRC was not. ;)
Unlike craybilly’s story, I totally believe yours.

What’s funny is how butthurt he got at me calling bullshit, when he does the same to others so often.
 
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Well you choose what you want to believe about everything based on hate right?

I happen to have had a customer whose son was on military duty at the White House staff. He said the Obama's were really nasty people. Biden was his VP. They were treated like crap basically on any kind of personal level , he had a death in the family at the end of a 2 week leave where he already was at where funeral was , requested an extra 3 days. Nope, Michelle had some meaningless thing going on he had to be back for and basically she is a flat out b!tch. He was there when the Trump's moved in and said they were completely opposite, was treated just like equals and couldn't have been nicer. Keeping in mind he dealt with them in person on a regular basis not just once in awhile.

Seems when you judge someone from afar it confirms your utter stupidity and constant venom of hatred. I wonder what people that have worked around you would confirm ?
Lol bless your heart.
 
Lol bless your heart.
Typical Zeke response when anyone questions her omnipotence to know everything . We must all remember we are just fools in the universe of Zeke because she knows everything and is always right no matter what.
 
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