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Sope Creek said:
You're telling journalists what words they have to use to be "objective"? More "if you're not with me, you're agin me" bullshit.

I respect you Aloha, but not this. This will knock you off the pedestal I've put you on. Probably a good thing.
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I said perceived. I believe it was a poor choice of term to use if they want to be perceived as objective. Especially by the people that identify as Pro-Lifers. I made no comment about the rest of the article, and I thought it was pretty straightforward and inoffensive from my perspective. Of course, I don't identify with either extreme of the abortion issue. I'm in the squishy middle along with most Americans.

What would you think if it was an article about a pro-choice march and it was reported 100 percent accurately and in a straightforward way, but the writer used the term "pro-abortion" rather than "pro-choice?" Would your perception be that the writer was an objective person or not?

I'm sure my pedestal wasn't very high anyway. ;)
 
Aloha Hoosier said:
I said perceived. I believe it was a poor choice of term to use if they want to be perceived as objective. Especially by the people that identify as Pro-Lifers. I made no comment about the rest of the article, and I thought it was pretty straightforward and inoffensive from my perspective. Of course, I don't identify with either extreme of the abortion issue. I'm in the squishy middle along with most Americans.

What would you think if it was an article about a pro-choice march and it was reported 100 percent accurately and in a straightforward way, but the writer used the term "pro-abortion" rather than "pro-choice?" Would your perception be that the writer was an objective person or not?

I'm sure my pedestal wasn't very high anyway. ;)
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Which would be more accurate? Pro-abortion or pro-choice?

Anti-abortion seems pretty accurate to me . . . unless their objective is something else.
 
Indianaftw said:
They were calling for 7-10 here. I think there is 3 on the ground and its about done.
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I meant too warm. Just turned into slush. Yeah not bad. Really there hasn’t been much snow or cold this winter. Maybe global warming is real. I’m not complaining
 
zeke4ahs said:
He’s smart. He does a lot more than regurgitate facts. He will be a thorn in the side of conservatives for a very long time.
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He can't run the Department of Transportation effectively but he is totes the man for the job to run the country.

I would look forward to having that argument if running a gay dude wouldn't cause problems with core constituencies the Democrats need to win elections (we'll never have to worry about the argument).
 
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Sope Creek said:
Which would be more accurate? Pro-abortion or pro-choice?

Anti-abortion seems pretty accurate to me . . . unless their objective is something else.
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Anti-abortion and pro-choice seem to be the most accurate way of describing the 2 viewpoints.

If you wanted to make it biased, it would be anti-choice or anti-women's rights. That would be the partisan loaded version
 
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IU_Hickory said:
Could you imagine them taking the same stance if Trump had been a dem and did this? They refuse to take a step back and actually look at the situation outside of the need to defend their side.
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Trump obstructed justice - - one of his favorite activities. That, and election interference. ("Fellas, I just want to find 11,780 votes"). Charges coming in Georgia.
 
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Aloha Hoosier said:
I said perceived. I believe it was a poor choice of term to use if they want to be perceived as objective. Especially by the people that identify as Pro-Lifers. I made no comment about the rest of the article, and I thought it was pretty straightforward and inoffensive from my perspective. Of course, I don't identify with either extreme of the abortion issue. I'm in the squishy middle along with most Americans.

What would you think if it was an article about a pro-choice march and it was reported 100 percent accurately and in a straightforward way, but the writer used the term "pro-abortion" rather than "pro-choice?" Would your perception be that the writer was an objective person or not?

I'm sure my pedestal wasn't very high anyway. ;)
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Back to the subject of the thread, totally on your ground. Navy and secrecy:

getpocket.com

When Secret Mystery Planes Landed At The Air Bases Where I Was Stationed

It may sound like fiction, but on rare occasions, ordinary air bases have extraordinary mystery visitors. It happened to me, twice.
getpocket.com getpocket.com
 
mcmurtry66 said:
I meant too warm. Just turned into slush. Yeah not bad. Really there hasn’t been much snow or cold this winter. Maybe global warming is real. I’m not complaining
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Denver is setting snow records and snow duration records which I didn’t even know was a statistic until they mentioned it. First January in years Denver didn’t have a 60 degree day. Damn few 40 degree days which is a normal high. Statewide snow pack is 128% of normal. Most of the western slope is over 140% of normal.
 
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zeke4ahs said:
Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why do you follow and then share with us these absolutely horrendous, pathetically disgusting people? Who calls Jimmy Carter names? And what kind of person thinks Wow! I’d better share that? Do you have no filter whatsoever?
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Carter, in my opinion, wasn't much of a president, but his public life - - and service - - since he left office has been not only admirable but inspirational. Guy might be the finest person ever to occupy the White House.
 
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Bowlmania said:
Trump obstructed justice - - one of his favorite activities. That, and election interference. ("Fellas, I just want to find 11,780 votes"). Charges coming in Georgia.
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Maybe.

One of the lawyers hired by Fani to consult is a RICO expert. I tried to hire him and his firm years ago, in part because he was a former college roommate of my boss at the time, and in part because he was a RICO expert, and in part because the name partner had a reputation as a scorched earth litigator . . . .
 
Sope Creek said:
Maybe.

One of the lawyers hired by Fani to consult is a RICO expert. I tried to hire him and his firm years ago, in part because he was a former college roommate of my boss at the time, and in part because he was a RICO expert, and in part because the name partner had a reputation as a scorched earth litigator . . . .
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Yep.

www.theguardian.com

Could Trump be charged for racketeering? A Georgia prosecutor thinks so

Fani Willis, the Fulton county district attorney, appears poised to use the states’s Rico law to prosecute the ex-president
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CO. Hoosier said:
Lol. That’s why the FBI searched Biden’s personal residence for 13 hours.
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Searched? So it's raid when it is mar-a-lago, but a search when it was Biden's residence? Lets have some consistency here. Why was the corrupt FBI going through the drawer with Jill's panties? Treating the Bidens so unfairly, so unjust....Oh wait, maybe it is a search because BIDEN INVITED THE FBI SEARCH AND WASN'T OBSTRUCTING THE RETURN OF THE DOCUMENTS.

Maybe the FBI searched just to make sure the self-report included everything? A search being conducted doesn't mean it wasn't self-reported or that the search found anything extra that hadn't already been self reported.
 
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Aloha Hoosier said:
Some people say that, and it may happen here and there, but it's not my experience. Early in my career I did see that, but not since. Early examples were ship schedule to include the dates of departing home port. Just about everyone the port and friends and families all knew that information. Classifying that at the Confidential level was just dumb and we don't do that any longer. Classification process is complicated and tightly controlled. Easiest is if the source is classified, the new document containing that information is classified the same - at least that part. A document can have classification for each paragraph. If it's new information we have classification guidance spelled out in Classification Guides. Here's an example (obviously, it's unclassified):

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Thanks for that link. Helpful but lots of government gobbledegook. For example levels of classification have to do with damage to national security, but the grounds for classification don’t all mention national security. Nowadays politicians claim almost everything is a national security issue including parents objecting to school board decisions. Lots of wiggle room.
 
CO. Hoosier said:
They can be. Read Aloha’s link.
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And what is the explanation for archives having missing classified documents and finding those documents at Trump's residence?

If you are right and they were just stamping regular documents incorrectly, then the above wouldn't have happened. In fact, there would have been nothing missing in your scenario of stamping non-classified documents and so archives would never have reached out to trump for return of said documents.

So still holds no water.
 
Aloha Hoosier said:
There was no leak about nuclear codes. Someone made up a scam Trump fundraising email about Trump having nuclear codes asking for money amounts matching the numbers. Also, Trump defenders like you claimed that’s what they were. That was a very lame defense, by the way.
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Bullshit. It was all over the media about Trump having the nuclear codes.

I notice you didn't address the staged pictures that were released.

Lame post by you - I expected more, but I guess you don't have more.
 
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DANC said:
Bullshit. It was all over the media about Trump having the nuclear codes.

I notice you didn't address the staged pictures that were released.

Lame post by you - I expected more, but I guess you don't have more.
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Aloha is right. There were no stories claiming Trump had the nuclear codes. There were stories that some of the documents may have been about nuclear weapons, specifically the nuclear capabilities of another nation.
 
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Sope Creek said:
Which would be more accurate? Pro-abortion or pro-choice?

Anti-abortion seems pretty accurate to me . . . unless their objective is something else.
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Anti-abortion and pro-abortion are probably equally inaccurate, and accurate. The Pro-lifers say they're about protecting the lives of the unborn and I have no reason to believe that isn't their motivation. Of course, the extreme end of the Pro-lifers want abortion banned at conception so, though their motivation is saving lives, the result would be no abortion so anti-abortion is also sort of accurate if you leave their motivation out. On the Pro-choice side they say their motivation is about protecting women's choice to have an abortion, and I have no reason not to believe that is their motivation. On their extreme side they support legalized abortion for the entire pregnancy, so the result would be abortion on demand for the entire pregnancy. Pro-abortion would likewise be sort of accurate if you leave their motivation out.

This is like the preferred pronoun issue. The argument has been that we should use the pronoun a person prefer we use. Why wouldn't we also use the preferred term for Pro-lifers and Pro-choicers. What would be a person's motivation for not doing it? I'd say it's like those who use Democrat Party rather than Democratic Party, it's intended as a bit of an insult. I think that's true of those that use anti-abortion and pro-abortion.
 
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DANC said:
Bullshit. It was all over the media about Trump having the nuclear codes.

I notice you didn't address the staged pictures that were released.

Lame post by you - I expected more, but I guess you don't have more.
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I remember talking about the possibility of trump's documents including info about nuclear weapons. Not sure if was just posters talking about it or where it originated.

Staged pictures? You're still going on with that crap? They didn't once say that is how the documents were found. They were just showing what was found. Staged? lmao
 
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IU_Hickory said:
Searched? So it's raid when it is mar-a-lago, but a search when it was Biden's residence? Lets have some consistency here. Why was the corrupt FBI going through the drawer with Jill's panties? Treating the Bidens so unfairly, so unjust....Oh wait, maybe it is a search because BIDEN INVITED THE FBI SEARCH AND WASN'T OBSTRUCTING THE RETURN OF THE DOCUMENTS.

Maybe the FBI searched just to make sure the self-report included everything? A search being conducted doesn't mean it wasn't self-reported or that the search found anything extra that hadn't already been self reported.
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No one answered your point, why was Mar-A-Lago a "raid" and Biden a "search"? I can't wait to hear the pretzel logic.
 
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IU_Hickory said:
And what is the explanation for archives having missing classified documents and finding those documents at Trump's residence?

If you are right and they were just stamping regular documents incorrectly, then the above wouldn't have happened. In fact, there would have been nothing missing in your scenario of stamping non-classified documents and so archives would never have reached out to trump for return of said documents.

So still holds no water.
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Biden had classified documents from when he was just a senator. That can’t be accidental . He had no authority to even possess them while in that office.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
Ha. Biden didn’t have a choice.
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No choice? That's completely at odds with your previous position, in other threads, that federal law enforcement has become a puppet of the Biden White House and the Dem party. Or was that danc's argument? I get you two confused.

Ha indeed.
 
Aloha Hoosier said:
Anti-abortion and pro-abortion are probably equally inaccurate, and accurate. The Pro-lifers say they're about protecting the lives of the unborn and I have no reason to believe that isn't their motivation. Of course, the extreme end of the Pro-lifers want abortion banned at conception and beyond so though their motivation is saving lives, the result would be no abortion so anti-abortion is also sort of accurate if you leave their motivation out. On the Pro-choice side they say their motivation is about protecting women's choice to have an abortion, and I have no reason not to believe that is their motivation. On their extreme side they support legalized abortion for the entire pregnancy, so the result would be abortion on demand for the entire pregnancy. Pro-abortion would likewise be sort of accurate if you leave their motivation out.

This is like the preferred pronoun issue. The argument has been that we should use the pronoun a person prefer we use. Why wouldn't we also use the preferred term for Pro-lifers and Pro-choicers. What would be a person's motivation for not doing it? I'd say it's like those who use Democrat Party rather than Democratic Party, it's intended as a bit of an insult. I think that's true of those that use anti-abortion and pro-abortion.
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Style guides have long refused to use either side's preferred label. They usually recommend anti-abortion activists and abortion rights advocates. Those labels seemed to work in the age of Roe. Not sure now.

I say just use pro-life and pro-choice. Everyone knows what they mean.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
Thanks for that link. Helpful but lots of government gobbledegook. For example levels of classification have to do with damage to national security, but the grounds for classification don’t all mention national security. Nowadays politicians claim almost everything is a national security issue including parents objecting to school board decisions. Lots of wiggle room.
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Once you learn government gobbledegook it's clear as a bell. ;) Seriously, classification is a full-time job for a lot of people and they understand this stuff very, very well.
 
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