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Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why do you follow and then share with us these absolutely horrendous, pathetically disgusting people? Who calls Jimmy Carter names? And what kind of person thinks Wow! I’d better share that? Do you have no filter whatsoever?
Oh, the irony!
 
Kamalalalal vrs Killery cage match.

I realize this is humor but hits at why I think if you were spouse of a serving President you shouldn't be eligible to run if there for 2 terms. If we are going to have term limitations that should be a factor. Does anyone really think if either Hillary or Michelle win election that Bill and Barak aren't going to have influence and that Hillary already didnt have a lot when Bill was in office? I know we have had 2 father and sons and one before term limits and some influence but not spouses.
 
Once you learn government gobbledegook it's clear as a bell. ;) Seriously, classification is a full-time job for a lot of people and they understand this stuff very, very well.
According to one site, 77.5 million decisions to classify information happened in fiscal year 2014. Lord knows how much is done now. And that is just one year. How many people does it take to do this? Color me skeptical, but I don’t believe that many documents each year are a threat to national security. If there are, we shouldn’t be producing those documents that present a threat in the first place.
 
According to one site, 77.5 million decisions to classify information happened in fiscal year 2014. Lord knows how much is done now. And that is just one year. How many people does it take to do this? Color me skeptical, but I don’t believe that many documents each year are a threat to national security. If there are, we shouldn’t be producing those documents that present a threat in the first place.

You don't think there would be a lot? We hack phone calls and computers across the world, we have human intel across the world. Even if all it gets us today is Russia's actual oil output, we don't want them to know we've broken that.
 
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Keep in mind that if they were declassified, it's a requirement to mark them as declassified. Any document with classification markings on them have to be handled appropriately to the classification level.

perhaps Trump also eliminated that requirement just by thinking it so.

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You don't think there would be a lot? We hack phone calls and computers across the world, we have human intel across the world. Even if all it gets us today is Russia's actual oil output, we don't want them to know we've broken that.
If you are talking about the products of sigint and humint you are likely correct. But I have my doubts that each item is separately decided. I would expect one decision about that years ago.
 
we could argue if Trump needed to follow some procedure regarding declassifying, but it's irrelevant if he did or didn't.

it was illegal for him to possess them, classified or not.

also illegal to lie about it.

same for Biden and Pence and anyone else.

that said, again, how egregious said possession is for any of them, is dependent on the contents of the documents, not the classification.
”It was illegal for him to possess them.” Wrong. Read the law.
 
”It was illegal for him to possess them.” Wrong. Read the law.
You read it, because you're wrong.

 
Aloha is right. There were no stories claiming Trump had the nuclear codes. There were stories that some of the documents may have been about nuclear weapons, specifically the nuclear capabilities of another nation.
"Another possibility Rofer pointed to is that Trump could have retained his nuclear “biscuit”, a piece of plastic like a credit card with the identification codes necessary for nuclear launch. Those codes would have been changed however the moment Biden took office at noon on 20 January 2021."

 
"Another possibility Rofer pointed to is that Trump could have retained his nuclear “biscuit”, a piece of plastic like a credit card with the identification codes necessary for nuclear launch. Those codes would have been changed however the moment Biden took office at noon on 20 January 2021."

That's the best you can do? You said it was all over the media. You can't even provide one example of an outlet making the claim. Instead all you have is someone tacking it on at the end as one of several possibilities.
 
That's the best you can do? You said it was all over the media. You can't even provide one example of an outlet making the claim. Instead all you have is someone tacking it on at the end as one of several possibilities.
Maybe try typing it into Twitter. Theres a TON of nuclear code sh!t on Trump. Since you watch systematic propaganda how would you know? A blind squirrel could find this crap.

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Maybe try typing it into Twitter. Theres a TON of nuclear code sh!t on Trump. Since you watch systematic propaganda how would you know? A blind squirrel could find this crap.

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You get your information from Twitter twits tweeting their ridiculous unsupported opinions?
 
You get your information from Twitter twits tweeting their ridiculous unsupported opinions?
And there lies the reason you are so lost...I choose to follow certain journalists so I can see the truth instead of propaganda, which is what you get fed daily, therefore your whacked POV. If you run the search there are several articles about this nonsense. After glancing at this stupid thread, and all the misinformed dolt comments, its time to get it back on track with facts instead of trash. Jeeeez
 
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And there lies the reason you are so lost...I choose to follow certain journalists so I can see the truth instead of propaganda, which is what you get fed daily, therefore your whacked POV. If you run the search there are several articles about this nonsense. After glancing at this stupid thread, and all the misinformed dolt comments, its time to get it back on track with facts instead of trash. Jeeeez
In other words, no credible source reported that the classified Trump documents contained nuclear codes, but some Twitter twits pulled the idea from their bungholes to inform the easily duped Trumpster crowd who inexplicably think it’s some sort of defense for Trump. Got it, thanks for explaining.
 
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In other words, no credible source reported that the classified Trump documents contained nuclear codes, but some Twitter twits pulled the idea from their bungholes to inform the easily duped Trumpster crowd who inexplicably think it’s some sort of defense for Trump. Got it, thanks for explaining.
Except that many in business and government take Twitter traffic very seriously. It’s so serious that the Twitter itself manipulated postings to favor interests of Biden and The Democrats. It’s so serious that some people are cancelled over Twitter traffic. It’s so serious that the FBI collaborated with Twitter to root out “far right” threats to national security. It’s so serious that the General Counsel for the FBI was promoted to General Counsel for Twitter.

I think Twitter is a cesspool. But many don’t, including many leftists on this forum who frequently comment about how their Twitter feed is blowing up over some something or another something.
 
Except that many in business and government take Twitter traffic very seriously. It’s so serious that the Twitter itself manipulated postings to favor interests of Biden and The Democrats. It’s so serious that some people are cancelled over Twitter traffic. It’s so serious that the FBI collaborated with Twitter to root out “far right” threats to national security. It’s so serious that the General Counsel for the FBI was promoted to General Counsel for Twitter.

I think Twitter is a cesspool. But many don’t, including many leftists on this forum who frequently comment about how their Twitter feed is blowing up over some something or another something.

Yea, spreading lies about the pandemic that had the potential of convincing people to take higher risks that could lead to death wasn't serious ;).

Some things might be a little more serious than others.

I'm very sorry that asking twitter to take down hunter dick pics was such a travesty for you. I would have thought they would have had rules against porn anyway.
 
Except that many in business and government take Twitter traffic very seriously. It’s so serious that the Twitter itself manipulated postings to favor interests of Biden and The Democrats. It’s so serious that some people are cancelled over Twitter traffic. It’s so serious that the FBI collaborated with Twitter to root out “far right” threats to national security. It’s so serious that the General Counsel for the FBI was promoted to General Counsel for Twitter.

I think Twitter is a cesspool. But many don’t, including many leftists on this forum who frequently comment about how their Twitter feed is blowing up over some something or another something.
I only see twit stuff when it's linked here. I have no use for it.
 
That's the best you can do? You said it was all over the media. You can't even provide one example of an outlet making the claim. Instead all you have is someone tacking it on at the end as one of several possibilities.
I showed it was an issue and you weren't paying attention if you didn't hear all kinds of specualtion about him having nuclear codes, nuclear information, etc.

I'm not going to waste time on providing you with readily available information. I pulled that up in one search. I'm sorry if I embarrassed you. Wait - no, I"m not.
 
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In other words, no credible source reported that the classified Trump documents contained nuclear codes, but some Twitter twits pulled the idea from their bungholes to inform the easily duped Trumpster crowd who inexplicably think it’s some sort of defense for Trump. Got it, thanks for explaining.
Isn't Twitter considered media? Doesn't the media post news reports on the media?

I said the 'media' - not a 'credible source'.
 
When deciding life and death, I have always loved the word "Almost". I always have a way out, if one of my patients die. Well, almost always.

But it always makes one sound like an expert to the laymen. Bravo Captain.
He and goat love to leave themselves an out when they're proven wrong.
 
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I showed it was an issue and you weren't paying attention if you didn't hear all kinds of specualtion about him having nuclear codes, nuclear information, etc.

I'm not going to waste time on providing you with readily information. I pulled that up in one search. I'm sorry if I embarrassed you. Wait - no, I"m not.
It wasn't an issue at all. Baseless speculation about the Trump's classified documents containing nuclear codes among Twitter twits and their easily duped followers, and by you on here, doesn't make a non-issue an issue. I think you know that. Or are you going all in on bad faith argument again?
 
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Isn't Twitter considered media? Doesn't the media post news reports on the media?

I said the 'media' - not a 'credible source'.
Wait, you agree that Twitter twits aren't credible sources? That's progress.
 
It wasn't an issue at all. Baseless speculation about the Trump's classified documents containing nuclear codes among Twitter twits and their easily duped followers, and by you on here, doesn't make a non-issue an issue. I think you know that. Or are you going all in on bad faith argument again?
I don't know what you call an 'issue'. I said there was all kinds of speculative talk about the documents - including 'nuclear codes'. I provided an example and you've admitted it was on Twitter.

You should take the L and stop while you're behind.
 
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Wait, you agree that Twitter twits aren't credible sources? That's progress.
'Credible source' was your wording. I said it was on the media. Twitter is considered media today.

You can surely follow that.
 
I only see twit stuff when it's linked here. I have no use for it.
I don’t either. I never understood why Twitter was taken so seriously by so many people. We had a thread about that a few years ago and many posters actually defended it.
 
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Trump was more obstinate (shocker). But Biden appears to have been more careless and devious.

Do they cancel each other out?

First off, 2 wrongs shouldn't cancel each other out. This isn't the 2 wrongs make a right situation.

You can argue purposely taking documents and being careless with documents are somewhat comparable (although I think it could be argued that purposely taking is worse) given that both end up with documents being taken/stolen from where they were supposed to be.

However, the part about not cooperating with returning said documents is not at all comparable and where things are very different.

There needs to be repercussions and there needs to be better safeguards to prevent it from happening in the future.
 
In other words, no credible source reported that the classified Trump documents contained nuclear codes, but some Twitter twits pulled the idea from their bungholes to inform the easily duped Trumpster crowd who inexplicably think it’s some sort of defense for Trump. Got it, thanks for explaining.
Look why argue with me??? Haven't you learned. Your'e gonna believe your sources, and I'm gonna believe mine. I don't believe anything your sources print and you don't believe mine. Yours have been there for years and are bought and paid for by every Davos attendee and mine are independent truth seekers.

Did you not see the Klaus Schwab attempted interview at Davos. Journalist..."Can I ask you a question" Schwab..."Sure what paper are you from". Journalist "Independent News". Schwab runs away. If it ain't part of the propaganda agenda they are not gonna get trapped with legit questions about what they are pushing.

Did you see the Pfizer CEO when a news source (Not Part Of the Propaganda Agenda) started asking him about side effects from the vaccine including death?????? They banned the video from every social media platform on the planet EXCEPT.....wait for it.....Twitter. Thank you ELON for not backing down from the truth!!!

So you continue on and if it gets out of line again I will back my fellow posters who haven't been swallowed by the systematic propaganda machine. Peace!
 
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