Top secret documents

[Joe_Hoopsier]

the current nuke launch codes is not the same as something FDR said in secret to his WWII generals.

not all classified material is equal, or anything close to equal, other than it all being classified.

without knowing the contents of any of these documents, it's flat impossible to assign a level of impropriety to the holding of said documents.

reality is, any of these documents once held in secret could have been copied 1,000 times and digitized.

the problem with Trump's refusal to return docs, is that without knowing exactly what he took, we can't know what secrets he has sold, or threatened to sell, or could threaten to sell.

same could be said for anything Biden or Pence or Obama or Bush or Clinton or anyone else has.

it's all about the contents of the classified material taken and kept. not just that it was classified.

trying to equate the holding of document "A" with the holding of document B, or 10 documents with 200 documents, is literally impossible absent knowing the contents of the documents and their relevance at the time they were taken.

This it totally wrong, in this particular case. Of the 3 people who've be publicized, about having doc's, there is ONLY ONE, that did have the ability to declassify, it wasn't biden nor was it pense.
There was only ONE person that had the ability (no matter how many poorly worded securities, never been challenged before issues exist), biden or pense were never allowed in any way shape or form, allow to have those outside of a sciff.
Eff trump, eff biden, eff pense. ....
HOW did biden or pense have any doc at all? their fellow congressmen have already commented that they cant. Ya think India still has a cast system? look no further that Pennsylvania ave. Shall I look up the zip code for you?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Ok, you started with They in that post, and then sprinkled in some "we's". I though you where trying to be koy.
It seems that a movement to make surgeons use a specific proceedure of the 1950's, would totally derail any improvement opportunities (we don't conduct many 1950 procedures here in 2023). But that would be the communist way, so it makes sense. All progress must be approved from the over lords, at their potential for profit. I get it.

My temp is fluctuating between 96 and 103, I am amazed I am coherent at all. But I can celebrate, my test was negative.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I bet that was as wrong as your ridiculous posting style.

Be awesome if trump’s stuff relates to ufos and Kennedy and Bigfoot and shit

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

My temp is fluctuating between 96 and 103, I am amazed I am coherent at all. But I can celebrate, my test was negative.

Wait, did you say that you were sick and I missed it, or is this suddenly new info? If I missed it, STFU, lay down and watch gunsmoke/ Gilmore girls/ cSpan reruns until you clear up. I've had the man flue, don't eff around!

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Be awesome if trump’s stuff relates to ufos and Kennedy and Bigfoot and shit

What if Trumps was UFO's, bidens are young porn and Penses are shock conversion therapy treatments?
If we put them all in a noose, does it send a message to DC, or does the beat go on?
My bigger goal is stopping the DCovid than if a specific politician goes down.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

So if some employees at a news outlet are biased, then the entire news outlet is biased?

That would be a bit like implying everyone at fox news is as looney as carlson.

today's major news outlets are all vertically and horizontally integrated multinational corporations, and mostly controlled by mega equity/hedge funds.

if someone has a voice at said news outlets, it's because, and only because, they tow the corporate line.

"employees" no longer have much say in what gets printed or said on corporate media, it's all dictated by the C-suites and the equity/hedge fund ownership. (which is 100% far right on everything economic, regardless of any personal views of said employees).

"employees" including the highest management, can all have their own view on things.

they just can't say or print it out loud, if it bucks the corporate line.

it's not personal. it's just business.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

today's major news outlets are all vertically and horizontally integrated multinational corporations, and mostly controlled by mega equity/hedge funds.

if someone has a voice at said news outlets, it's because, and only because, they tow the corporate line.

"employees" no longer have much say in what gets printed or said on corporate media, it's all dictated by the C-suites and the equity/hedge fund ownership. (which is 100% far right on everything economic, regardless of any personal views of said employees).

"employees" can all have their own view on things.

they just can't say or print it out loud, if it bucks the corporate line.

it's not personal. it's just business.

Someone had to say looney and igw says, "hold my beer."

 

[i'vegotwinners]

This it totally wrong, in this particular case. Of the 3 people who've be publicized, about having doc's, there is ONLY ONE, that did have the ability to declassify, it wasn't biden nor was it pense.
There was only ONE person that had the ability (no matter how many poorly worded securities, never been challenged before issues exist), biden or pense were never allowed in any way shape or form, allow to have those outside of a sciff.
Eff trump, eff biden, eff pense. ....
HOW did biden or pense have any doc at all? their fellow congressmen have already commented that they cant. Ya think India still has a cast system? look no further that Pennsylvania ave. Shall I look up the zip code for you?

not Trump nor anyone else can declassify anything by Harold Hill's "think method.

nor would it have any relevance to what i said that you quoted anyway, even if so.. so arguing he can, still has zero relevance to what i said.

if Trump possessed military secrets, do you think declassifying them as he was leaving the While House instantly ok'd things, even if he could declassify them just by thinking it.

come on Joe, you're better than that. and you know better than that.

there can be no accountability for anything, for anyone, as long as both sides keep protecting their own criminal element and wrong doers.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Are you really this dense? He didn't appoint family members because they couldn't accept millions of dollars from the Chinese, Ukranians, and Russians directly like Hunter did and then feed the Big Guy his 10%.

Seriously, wake up.

None so blind as those who will not see. Yeah, I’m the one that needs to wake up.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

not Trump nor anyone else can declassify anything by Harold Hill's "think method.

nor would it have any relevance to what i said that you quoted anyway, even if so.. so arguing he can, still has zero relevance to what i said.

if Trump possessed military secrets, do you think declassifying them as he was leaving the While House instantly ok'd things, even if he could declassify them just by thinking it.

come on Joe, you're better than that. and you know better than that.

there can be no accountability for anything, for anyone, as long as both sides keep protecting their own criminal element and wrong doers.

Do you know that Trump had Military Secrets? For the purpose of my argument, lets take Trump out of it. Do you know if biden had military secrets? how about Pence?
What we do know, no matter of what the doc's may turn out to be (of which we will never honeslty know), there is only ONE of these three that could declassify ANYTHING, with the exception of nuke info. Only one of three where CIC. Once you all understand that and admit it, then we are all on the same playing field together.
DC stinks. If you are already there, you are ruined. If you are on the outside wanting in, you are stained, waiting to stink.
You focus on the $ cause, I focus on the effected and the DC middlemen.

If you go to DC with the country as your focus, there is NO amount of money to buy you from anyone. But here we are, humans and everything has a price.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Be awesome if trump’s stuff relates to ufos and Kennedy and Bigfoot and shit

He just might be able to win re-election if he spent his whole campaign on only those issues and declassifying all such documents (I’d throw in the Illuminati and Free Masons, too).

 

[mcmurtry66]

He just might be able to win re-election if he spent his whole campaign on only those issues and declassifying all such documents (I’d throw in the Illuminati and Free Masons, too).

I keep hoping some server at echo in palm finds some Area 51 classified note next to the shitter

 

[zeke4ahs]

When Klain bails, you know the ship is going down.

Who's going to pull the string after he goes?

Lol. He told people he was leaving after the midterms. Let’s see…. trump’s first Chief of Staff had the shortest tenure in history. Believe he ended up with four. But yes, huge deal that Biden’s leaves after two years. Lol

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

I keep hoping some server at echo in palm finds some Area 51 classified note next to the shitter

I was hoping some in Trumps cache would be CIA intel on which foreign First Ladies were up for a good time.

 

[zeke4ahs]

All hat and no cattle.

Ya’ll just can’t stand people who are smart. Guess it intimidates people who like a man like Trump.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I was hoping some in Trumps cache would be CIA intel on which foreign First Ladies were up for a good time.

He really is the absolute worst. Funny as hell tho

 

[zeke4ahs]

Why do you post that shit for your last sentence?

If you want to be taken seriously as a poster, you don't need to write crap like that.

You lecture Aloha how to be taken seriously as a poster? Oh the irony.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

He really is the absolute worst. Funny as hell tho

Agreed. Funniest President of my lifetime. Reagan is second.

 

[zeke4ahs]

She has a good chance to be the incumbent in 2024. Rather difficult to nominate someone other than an incumbent.

Why would she be the incumbent in 2024?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Agreed. Funniest President of my lifetime. Reagan is second.

My favorite is the press conferences when he calls on someone he knows is going to get him and mumbles “here we go” I laugh out loud every time

 

[zeke4ahs]

But he rides a bike to work to save the planet. After his motorcade drops him off about a block from the White House though.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/video-doesnt-show-buttigieg-staging-bike-ride/. Bless your heart, you fell for that one too. Get better sources.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

My favorite is the press conferences when he calls on someone he knows is going to get him and mumbles “here we go” I laugh out loud every time

Me too. I also love when it’s clear he’s just trolling Dems and they fall for it. Makes me smile every time.

 

[zeke4ahs]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If the Dems want to win a presidential election they can always run Michelle Obama.

For some reason she has become an Oprah like figure in the culture and her radical “I wasn’t proud to be an American until my husband was elected president” beliefs have been glossed over.

She has zero interest in running for political office. Why should she ? She didn’t really want Barack to.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Me too. I also love when it’s clear he’s just trolling Dems and they fall for it. Makes me smile every time.

For sure. He’s a gem. Just something is off with him. How he was brought up. Narcissism. Something. Obviously. The best worst guy ever

 

[zeke4ahs]

It's amazing to me how the left wants to excuse Biden because he's cooperated. It's like saying as long as a person who robs a bank confesses and cooperates (after they're caught) it makes everything ok.

Who is excusing him? I haven’t seen anyone. All I’ve seen is people pointing out the difference. Oh and Mike Pence did the same. No one stone walled them except for Trump.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

For sure. He’s a gem. Just something is off with him. How he was brought up. Narcissism. Something. Obviously. The best worst guy ever

He’s the most fascinating politician in US history, maybe second only to Lincoln or Jefferson. I predict people will be psychoanalyzing him for centuries.

 

[mcmurtry66]

He’s the most fascinating politician in US history, maybe second only to Lincoln or Jefferson. I predict people will be psychoanalyzing him for centuries.

I’ve told the story before. My old firm did much of the real estate work on the golf course down there. One day trump was coming out with his entourage just as a car was pulling up at the club. The valet wasn’t there. Trump turned to his entourage. Said what the f*uck looking at the valet lectern being empty. Then he walked over to the car. Knocked on the trunk. And carried their shit in himself. In a suit in that so fla heat.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Why? because Biden not holding rallies isn't much of a story for normal people.

And this was when Covid was rampant. Trump was having rallies ( RIP Herman Cain) when big groups of people were still being discouraged.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

I’ve told the story before. My old firm did much of the real estate work on the golf course down there. One day trump was coming out with his entourage just as a car was pulling up at the club. The valet wasn’t there. Trump turned to his entourage. Said what the f*uck looking at the valet lectern being empty. Then he walked over to the car. Knocked on the trunk. And carried their shit in himself. In a suit in that so fla heat.

You need a book deal

 

[mcmurtry66]

You need a book deal

Lol. That same firm represented the bin laden family for years. They own motels all over fla. We had the fbi/cia there for a month. I should have never left. Just another stupid move

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Lol. That same firm represented the bin laden family for years. They own motels all over fla. We had the fbi/cia there for a month

Chapter 2!

 

[mcmurtry66]

Chapter 2!

Ha. Leaving was so dumb. One dumb move after another.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Chapter 2!

I just hope throughout, in describing every single person, you compare them to some pro soccer player, youth coach, or parent of a club player.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Ha. Leaving was so dumb. One dumb move after another.

You’re only one good move away from riches!

 

[zeke4ahs]

Bwaaaaaaa!!!

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And you think this is funny because you hate Pence because you think he’s a Trump Traitor, right?

 

[mcmurtry66]

You’re only one good move away from riches!

as a lawyer you'll appreciate this. the head of the firm was like something out of the movies. next door neighbor owned man u. celebrity clientele. only worked on mega cases. blah blah blah. one day i was at happy hour with my rotten buddy talking about how lucky we were and he turned to me and goes: how so? when that phone rings with a lawyer on the other end referring a case do they ever ask for you? and that was all it took. i lost interest lol

 

[zeke4ahs]

The FBI clearly thought it was a big deal when they carried out an unprecedented up to that point raid on a former president.

It was also unprecedented that the former guy had been asked to return the documents and lied about having done so. Unprecedented actions require unprecedented consequences.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

And this was when Covid was rampant. Trump was having rallies ( RIP Herman Cain) when big groups of people were still being discouraged.

I could never love anyone that didn't know how to be consistent and loyal to their cause.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Unprecedented actions require unprecedented consequences.

I could not agree more.

 

[DANC]

I agree with everything you say. I'm just pointing out I'm not sure how much of a crisis this is.

All classified docs aren't the same and I've heard of no report yet where the US was hurt by Pence, Trump, or Biden.

Remember that 'risk assessment' they were going to do on Trump's docs?

Wonder why none of that has been reported.....er... leaked.