Top secret documents

[IUCrazy2]

Well then provide some actual facts instead of the blatantly misleading crap you guys keep falling for.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/politics/biden-family-name-invs/index.html

It has the usual "but Trump was worse" junk that is unproven and always thrown out in defense of Democrats these days, but even CNN is coming around to the idea that Biden Inc. maybe isn't on the up and up.

I think there is enough that is public knowledge to open up the investigation. Nobody is going to be able to offer you a convictable crime at this point because it isn't a murder with a body. It is white collar stuff that needs unwinding of financial documents, personal documents, and for ing people to go on record (under penalty perjuries) about what they did do, did not do, knew, or did not know.

I also lay money that this story is finally coming out at places like CNN because a portion of the Democrat Party doesn't want to run that dotard again in 2024.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/politics/biden-family-name-invs/index.html

So then let's see what Congress find out.

But you guys - including you personally - just read someone say that a document showed Hunter claiming he paid rent to Joe, and even though the document absolutely didn't show that, you ran with it, anyway. Why? Because you just so desperately want it to be true.

Wait for the facts. And fix your bullshit detector.

 

[DANC]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/politics/biden-family-name-invs/index.html

Yep, those Bidens are very protective of their brand. Did I mention Hunter is a piece of shit?

Hunter Biden Asks Judge to Stop His Daughter From Taking His Surname

Hunter Biden asked a judge to prevent his 4-year-old daughter, born out of wedlock, from taking his surname. ...

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[IUCrazy2]

So then let's see what Congress find out.

But you guys - including you personally - just read someone say that a document showed Hunter claiming he paid rent to Joe, and even though the document absolutely didn't show that, you ran with it, anyway. Why? Because you just so desperately want it to be true.

Wait for the facts. And fix your bullshit detector.

I don't "want it to be true". Hunter has already admitted what he was doing and it is supported by his laptop.

The Biden's are crooks. They may be protected by politics crooks, but the whole family is in on this.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I don't "want it to be true". Hunter has already admitted what he was doing and it is supported by his laptop.

The Biden's are crooks. They may be protected by politics crooks, but the whole family is in on this.

LOL. You used to be reasonable.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

LOL. You used to be reasonable.

or he was just able to better hide his crazy before.

 

[DANC]

or he was just able to better hide his crazy before.

Something you've never learned.

 

[stollcpa]

Raided? Don’t dignify their horseshit talking points.

@IU_Hickory F off both of you. Biden fcked up. He should be gone after just like Trump. But no, he will be treated like Hillary. And don’t give me half added excuses why it was okay for Hillary to delay delay delay and then delete delete delete 33,000 emails. Of course she only deleted emails about the wedding. 😂

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

That looks like an application for a rental property.

And if was marked owned, not leased. If he had a $50k/mo mortgage for a place in Wilmington, DE.... well that would be one outrageous house for that area.

He's so fkd up he probably put down his annual mortgage payments. This wouldn't be a very difficult thing to check out. I could probably dig it up in a few hours based upon the address listed

Further: the company name is (was) Hunter's company. This is probably part of an application for some kind of commercial lease.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

@IU_Hickory F off both of you. Biden fcked up. He should be gone after just like Trump. But no, he will be treated like Hillary. And don’t give me half added excuses why it was okay for Hillary to delay delay delay and then delete delete delete 33,000 emails. Of course she only deleted emails about the wedding. 😂

The fact of the matter is Trump was given plenty of time to cooperate or destroy documents. Just because that ruins your little narrative doesn't make it less true.

 

[DANC]

The fact of the matter is Trump was given plenty of time to cooperate or destroy documents. Just because that ruins your little narrative doesn't make it less true.

Why would he give them up if he had declassified them?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Why would he give them up if he had declassified them?

Please don't deflect away from his stupid point just to revisit your even stupider point.

 

[NPT]

The fact of the matter is Trump was given plenty of time to cooperate or destroy documents. Just because that ruins your little narrative doesn't make it less true.

The fact is that we really know what has gone on with Biden either.... Only what they have told us went on. Trump dug his own grave so that is on him.

 

[DANC]

Please don't deflect away from his stupid point just to revisit your even stupider point.

Translation: Can't answer the question without showing how partisan I am

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

@IU_Hickory F off both of you. Biden fcked up. He should be gone after just like Trump. But no, he will be treated like Hillary. And don’t give me half added excuses why it was okay for Hillary to delay delay delay and then delete delete delete 33,000 emails. Of course she only deleted emails about the wedding. 😂

Real mature... but that's a given for you.

Stop being blind to the facts and we wouldn't reply to your lame, hypocritical posts that can't seem to grasp basic concepts

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

The fact is that we really know what has gone on with Biden either.... Only what they have told us went on. Trump dug his own grave so that is on him.

We know Trump was given a year or so to cooperate, so that destroys the claim that Biden is being given more time or room than Trump. Whatever happened, Stoll's claim Biden was given some sort of special treatment compared to Trump is just a lie.

 

[NPT]

So how many ddifferent sets of documents have they found? One constantly sees the headlines "New documents found" but I've never sure if they are new documents or the ones already reported. The last time I knew for sure there had been 3 different bunches.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Translation: Can't answer the question without showing how partisan I am

Hah! Ironic considering you're the one who tried to deflect away from the point at hand!

 

[NPT]

We know Trump was given a year or so to cooperate, so that destroys the claim that Biden is being given more time or room than Trump. Whatever happened, Stoll's claim Biden was given some sort of special treatment compared to Trump is just a lie.

So if Trump had turned over some documents would that have satisfied everyone? He could have turned over half and kept some.... I don't trust any one telling me that this is all the documents.... they have too many reasons to lie.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

So if Trump had turned over some documents would that have satisfied everyone? He could have turned over half and kept some.... I don't trust any one telling me that this is all the documents.... they have too many reasons to lie.

That's the problem. Trump turned over some and not others. And they still gave him plenty of time to fix it.

 

[stollcpa]

The fact of the matter is Trump was given plenty of time to cooperate or destroy documents. Just because that ruins your little narrative doesn't make it less true.

I am not defending Trump. Why the hell can’t you guys acknowledge Biden broke the law too. It’s black and white for them and Hillary. Sounds like you can pack off whatever you want.

 

[stollcpa]

Real mature... but that's a given for you.

Stop being blind to the facts and we wouldn't reply to your lame, hypocritical posts that can't seem to grasp basic concepts

What concept am I missing on Biden and Hillary? They broke the law. We’re just not going to prosecute them. No EVEN talk about Hypocrisy.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

What concept am I missing on Biden and Hillary? They broke the law. We’re just not going to prosecute them. No EVEN talk about Hypocrisy.

I didn't say they didn't break the law but they cooperated, while Trump didn't. There was no favoritism or preferential treatment based on political party. If you want to argue that they all got preferential treatment compared to the average person, then you would have a point.

What you are missing is that Trump didn't get in trouble until he refused to cooperate. He originally had the option to go through those boxes himself with his lawyers and return them (just like Biden is getting that option currently and you decided to complain about). Trump chose poorly and decided to fight returning them but he was treated the exact same initially.

It's like the person that flees the scene of a crime or resists arrest. It's just adds more charges.

So recap

1) Stolen classified documents - SAME (Biden, Trump, Hillary)
2) Refusing to comply - Only Trump

 

[IUINSB]

Please don't deflect away from his stupid point just to revisit your even stupider point.

OK. I'm not as smart as the most of you guys.

I was/am under the impression that all these documents, Joe's and Don's, classified, unclassified, declassified, are supposed to be turned over to the National Archive people.
Will one of you please tell me if I'm correct or not.

And if I'm correct, are not both Joe and Don in violation of the law? And if so, eff 'em both.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I am not defending Trump. Why the hell can’t you guys acknowledge Biden broke the law too. It’s black and white for them and Hillary. Sounds like you can pack off whatever you want.

Then why are you stating falsely that he's being treated unfairly? Sounds like defending him to me.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

OK. I'm not as smart as the most of you guys.

I was/am under the impression that all these documents, Joe's and Don's, classified, unclassified, declassified, are supposed to be turned over to the National Archive people.
Will one of you please tell me if I'm correct or not.

And if I'm correct, are not both Joe and Don in violation of the law? And if so, eff 'em both.

Yes, that part is the same and it seems standard procedure has been a slap on the wrist and handing the documents back willingly. I would be surprised if this hasn't happened before Hillary but it just wasn't a hot topic previously when parties weren't throwing each other to the wolves so to speak.

I would support Biden and Trump not being able to run for office again.

 

[MrBing]

Why would he give them up if he had declassified them?

There would be records of declassification and there are none and the documents would be stamped declassified and they're not. Every copy of those documents would have to be declassified everywhere they existed. No one has produced any of those to prove they were declassified. I don't know why you continue to repeat this Trump lie because it is a lie. They were not declassified.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

There would be records of declassification and there are none and the documents would be stamped declassified and they're not. Every copy of those documents would have to be declassified everywhere they existed. No one has produced any of those to prove they were declassified. I don't know why you continue to repeat this Trump lie because it is a lie. They were not declassified.

someone in the conservative press put that out there about him possibly declassifying the documents and Trump has ran with that lie ever since. Although he did switch a few times to the FBI planting the documents at his house.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Why would he give them up if he had declassified them?

Why would he claim that the FBI planted them if he had declassified them (which he didn’t)? He made that claim first. Do you wait until he finally decides what his final lie is before you pretend to believe that one, or do you pretend to believe them all as he tries them all out? 😎

 

[NPT]

Why would he claim that the FBI planted them if he had declassified them (which he didn’t)? He made that claim first. Do you wait until he finally decides what his final lie is before you pretend to believe that one, or do you pretend to believe them all as he tries them all out? 😎

What do you think about them letting Biden's lawyers self-report what they supposedly find and not get the FBI involved? I don't trust anyone that much no matter what their politics are and especially when politics are involved.

 

[NPT]

That's the problem. Trump turned over some and not others. And they still gave him plenty of time to fix it.

So how do they know what Trump had and have no idea what Biden has?

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

So how do they know what Trump had and have no idea what Biden has?

Whistleblower?

 

[jet812]

LOL. You used to be reasonable.

You never were.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

What do you think about them letting Biden's lawyers self-report what they supposedly find and not get the FBI involved? I don't trust anyone that much no matter what their politics are and especially when politics are involved.

Honestly didn’t think it was unusual. FBI got involved. An assessment has to be done to see if they were actually compromised and compromised to whom. The damage control and mitigation has to be done. FBI will question everyone.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

So how do they know what Trump had and have no idea what Biden has?

How do you know what they know?

 

[cosmickid]

The DOJ had free reign of Mar a Lago, took 15 boxes, and told Trump to put a lock on the door, after Trump told them he'd help them with everything they needed. Trump put a lock on the door, as directed.

Trump's lawyers told the DOJ there were additional documents but Trump said they had been declassified. They were in discussions on those documents when the DOB issued a subpoena and, shortly thereafter, conducted a pred-dawn raid when Trump was gone.

Trump's lawyer asked if she could accompany the FBI and they said no. Contrast that with the treatment given Biden's lawyers.

The Trump raid was pure political Jan 6 bullshit, meant to sway the election and, hopefully for Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney, and company, to find some documents linking Trump to a 1/6 conspiracy. And, of course, rumors of 'nuclear codes' were floated. Heard any rumors about the docs Biden has? Of course not.

This was all kabuki theater, and was working well - no word was leaked before the election and, particularly, before the Georgia Senate run-off - until word of the documents were finally leaked.

There is a huge difference between Trump and Biden - Trump had authority to declassify and Biden didn't. And that's the only difference.

it's as if you don't even try to make a factual argument any more- the timeline on your sequence of events is ridiculous. The NARA (not the DOJ or FBI) notified Team Trump via email that 24 boxes of official documents were missing in May 2021. They didn't even claim they were "classified" just that by law they were documents Trump should have returned upon leaving office. Team Trump didn't even get back to them until Dec 2021, and admitted they had "some boxes".

Then in Jan 2021 they returned 15 of the requested 24 boxes, and as the NARA began to inventory the boxes they discovered classified, top secret and compartmental documents mixed in to the boxes. Now had Trump declassified those documents they would have been marked DECLASSIFIED. Of course he never declassified them, which is why they weren't marked.

And nobody made that ridiculous claim at the time, because it was just a later strategy that the Trump team developed as a way to try and allow Trump to keep documents he (erroneously) thought belonged to him. Notice none of Trump's "lawyers" are willing to claim under oath that these documents were "declassified" because they know if they commit perjury permanent disbarment will be the least of their worries...

Even so, it still was March or so before NARA requested to notify the FBI so Trump had plenty of time to make things right and avoid all of this. So your claims about the raid are as fallacious and ignorant as most of your other posts. You're actually on here arguing over classified procedure with experts who have practical experience in the matter like Aloha and Bing based on the opinions of idiots which you somehow ascribe to. You even use the opinion of a Constitutional authority like McClanahan who argues that Trump can declassify and then completely ignore the fact that he points out that Biden can do the same based on the 2019 Executive order that establishes original classification authority.

And McClanahan also points out that while Trump had the authority to declassify documents, he still HAD to NOTIFY someone, especially people who had security clearance to view items like TSI. It might be different if the sole authority to view these documents rested with the POTUS, but that's not the case. Up until this point Biden is not claiming he declassified the ones in his possession, but you stubbornly cling to the notion he couldn't even though the very expert you've previously cited says the exact opposite.

Why would he give them up if he had declassified them?

Do you really not know this? It's the law...

"In 1978, Congress passed the Presidential Records Act (PRA), which states that any records created or received by the President as part of his constitutional, statutory, or ceremonial duties are the property of the United States government and will be managed by NARA at the end of the administration."

 

[DANC]

So if Trump had turned over some documents would that have satisfied everyone? He could have turned over half and kept some.... I don't trust any one telling me that this is all the documents.... they have too many reasons to lie.

Goat is lying. Trump turned over 15 boxes of docs and the FBI knew all about the storage room and told Trump to put a lock on it. If they had wanted to get those docs, why didn't they do it then - Trump told them he'd help them all they could.

No, they negotiated with Trump's lawyers, who reported more documents and waited until the Jan 6 committee were desperate for a smoking gun. So the DOJ issued a subpoena and waited until Trump was gone to conduct their pred-dawn raid. The wouldn't let Trump's lawyers even witness what was going on AND TURNED OFF THE SECURITY CAMERAS.

Meanwhile the DOJ send agents to Biden's house and takes what Biden's lawyers give them - no search at all.

And Goat would have you believe there is no double standard here. It's the Left's typical lying pattern.

 

[DANC]

it's as if you don't even try to make a factual argument any more- the timeline on your sequence of events is ridiculous. The NARA (not the DOJ or FBI) notified Team Trump via email that 24 boxes of official documents were missing in May 2021. They didn't even claim they were "classified" just that by law they were documents Trump should have returned upon leaving office. Team Trump didn't even get back to them until Dec 2021, and admitted they had "some boxes".

Then in Jan 2021 they returned 15 of the requested 24 boxes, and as the NARA began to inventory the boxes they discovered classified, top secret and compartmental documents mixed in to the boxes. Now had Trump declassified those documents they would have been marked DECLASSIFIED. Of course he never declassified them, which is why they weren't marked.

And nobody made that ridiculous claim at the time, because it was just a later strategy that the Trump team developed as a way to try and allow Trump to keep documents he (erroneously) thought belonged to him. Notice none of Trump's "lawyers" are willing to claim under oath that these documents were "declassified" because they know if they commit perjury permanent disbarment will be the least of their worries...

Even so, it still was March or so before NARA requested to notify the FBI so Trump had plenty of time to make things right and avoid all of this. So your claims about the raid are as fallacious and ignorant as most of your other posts. You're actually on here arguing over classified procedure with experts who have practical experience in the matter like Aloha and Bing based on the opinions of idiots which you somehow ascribe to. You even use the opinion of a Constitutional authority like McClanahan who argues that Trump can declassify and then completely ignore the fact that he points out that Biden can do the same based on the 2019 Executive order that establishes original classification authority.

And McClanahan also points out that while Trump had the authority to declassify documents, he still HAD to NOTIFY someone, especially people who had security clearance to view items like TSI. It might be different if the sole authority to view these documents rested with the POTUS, but that's not the case. Up until this point Biden is not claiming he declassified the ones in his possession, but you stubbornly cling to the notion he couldn't even though the very expert you've previously cited says the exact opposite.

Do you really not know this? It's the law...

"In 1978, Congress passed the Presidential Records Act (PRA), which states that any records created or received by the President as part of his constitutional, statutory, or ceremonial duties are the property of the United States government and will be managed by NARA at the end of the administration."

It must not be the law - Biden had classified documents, as did Hillary.

You're pissing in the wind and regurgitating Democrat talking points is all you're doing.

 

[DANC]

Honestly didn’t think it was unusual. FBI got involved. An assessment has to be done to see if they were actually compromised and compromised to whom. The damage control and mitigation has to be done. FBI will question everyone.

No they won't. Did they ever find out who destroyed Hillary's Blackberries or ran the bleach-bit software?

Hillary's servers had classified docs on them that were SUBPOENA'd. It's a clear double standard and the FBI is the Gestapo wing of the Democrat Party.

 

[DANC]

Why would he claim that the FBI planted them if he had declassified them (which he didn’t)? He made that claim first. Do you wait until he finally decides what his final lie is before you pretend to believe that one, or do you pretend to believe them all as he tries them all out? 😎

I don't pretend anything. I don't know what he declassified and neither do you.

You're quick to judge Trump, but give Biden every benefit of the doubt, despite all the lying he and the Biden Crime Family has done. Why do you continue to be duped?