I understand everything you’re saying. It’s a fantasy but sometime the politicians of both parties need to be treated the same as the rest of us.
The word is rending. I’m here to help!
I was young and in elementary school, but remember Watergate. I remember it being on TV and I remember my dad calling him Tricky Dick when he thought I wasn’t paying attention because he usually made a point of calling him “The President.” 😄 Dad was a Democrat back then, but somehow in recent years became a Trumpster. It’s disappointing, but he is 82 so I never argue with him. Actually, I’ve been disappointed in him for bigger things over the years, but he’s my dad.
A question .... Would the Biden lawyers have clearance to look at classified documents?
That is very true. You've been have been very consistent. MrBing has also even though he's not commented on this stuff as much as you.
I believe consistency is a common trait of officers and we strive to be apolitical. Bing and I can talk politics over an adult beverage or three and never get irritated about it even when we have totally opposite opinions on an issue (taxes, spending, abortion, healthcare, some foreign policies, etc.).
I disagree. We do need to know if we are going to be voting and choosing between those two men for President of the United States. For example, if Trump's docs related to the JFK assassination but Biden's related to secret nuclear sub locations (or vice versa), I'd like to know that in determining who I vote for.WE don't need to know. What's in them has to be known by the investigators who will determine if they were compromised and how damaging it is if they were. Informing the public what was in those documents is totally compromising the information and it's not going to happen.
Also overclassification is overblown.It rarely happens and almost never happens at Secret and Top Secret levels. When I've seen it it's usually Confidential level and that's the lowest. I've seen things like trip records or general agendas for things that happened years back that shouldn't remain classified. They usually have declassification dates that are too far into the future.
LOL Rending.... rendering.... they're kind of alike. lol
Your dad's a smart man. I imagine he's disappointed in you for bigger things, too.
Consistency is a common trait of officers? Yeah, consistent like a robot.
In the day I wore Army gree mishandling even ONE TS document was the end of your career.
If you mean that we need to know in broad terms like subject of the documents. Maybe. Sometimes the subject is unclassified and sometime the subject itself is classified for good reason. Knowing the contents put sources and methods at risk of exposure and we can't allow that.I disagree. We do need to know if we are going to be voting and choosing between those two men for President of the United States. For example, if Trump's docs related to the JFK assassination but Biden's related to secret nuclear sub locations (or vice versa), I'd like to know that in determining who I vote for.
Note, I'm not saying there isn't a downside--there most certainly is. What I'm saying is there are competing interests here and saying "we don't need to know" ignores the interests on the other side of the scale.
Regarding over classification, I don't think your personal experience can answer the question. There are billions of pages of such documents so no one person's experience could answer the overall question. I just searched for comprehensive studies (quickly) and all I came up with were these from Wikipedia:
"As early as 1956, the U.S. Department of Defense estimated that 90% of its classified documents could be publicly disclosed with no harm to national security."---Monte Reel, "A Brotherhood of Spies: The U2 and the CIA's Secret War," (New York: Anchor Books, 2019), p. 71
Moynihan Commission on Government Secrecy - Wikipedia
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More generally, human beings react to incentives--that's a fact--and those in the military or state department aren't somehow immune to that. Honest questions that I don't know the answer to and you might: are there any disincentives to classifying a document or information as confidential, secret, or top secret? I guess you do more paperwork? But does a mistake in over classifying result in discipline? I'm assuming a mistake in under classifying would be subject to discipline?
Wait a minute: Air Force? So you know about the "Above Top Secret" classification ????????
Probably. Maybe not when they first saw a classification label and reported they saw it but after they knew they were there they should have sent over a team with clearances. They're not supposed to read them even with clearances because the still have to have a need to know and they probably don't. Soon as they see classification labels they should have put it in a the correct classified cover and put it on the pile to be turned in.
I work in intel so I see stuff from every intel service. What I do is unclassified but exactly what I see is so I can't say more than that.Wait a minute: Air Force? So you know about the "Above Top Secret" classification ????????
Seriously, though, doesn't every agency have the ability to make these designations? It's certainly possible, isn't it, that those in the more political agencies might have far different experiences than you do?
I just want to know about UFOs. All the UFOs.
Wait a minute: Air Force? So you know about the "Above Top Secret" classification ????????
Seriously, though, doesn't every agency have the ability to make these designations? It's certainly possible, isn't it, that those in the more political agencies might have far different experiences than you do?
When the company I worked for was considering receiving and storing classified documents, I cautioned the owner that it was a very dangerous situation. I told my boss that we would first have to create a secure room with pre-approved safes and written security policies and procedures in-place and appropriate training for our personnel.
He'd tell you, but then he'd have to kill you.
That brings to mind when I worked and the interoffice mailing envelopes were large envelopes that you closed by wrapping a string around a kind of button on the flap to keep it shut. It never entered my mind to open someone's mail until one had a big "CONFIDENTIAL" sticker on it and that made we want to open it to see what was so private. I never did but I'll have to admit that it entered my mind. If I saw a document marked "Classified" I'd be very tempted to look at it. 🤣🤣
When Klain bails, you know the ship is going down.
It's gonna be hilarious watching @Aloha Hoosier and @mcmurtry66 have to choose between Harris or Trump 😂
If Trump's the nominee, he will lose. You'll spend all your time whining and crying about how it was unfair and how the election was stolen, but the fact is the man is a loser. If you don't want to have another Democratic President, you better hope Trump isn't the nominee.
All hat and no cattle.
Harris, ....... no way will she be nominated but I wish she would be.
The problem with Pete, who I will say appears to be an intelligent guy. Is that he didn’t realize that the Trans Sec role was an actual job with duties and responsibilities for which it would be good to have requisite qualifications. He viewed it as another step on the ladder of his political career and this is what we get.
She has a good chance to be the incumbent in 2024. Rather difficult to nominate someone other than an incumbent.
There's no way she wins the Primary. It's going to be Mayor Pete - he's the only one who can mesmerize the media with bullshit like Obama could.
Why do you post that shit for your last sentence?
Pete’s gay, stays home, takes vacations at bad times, supply chain issues, airlines - the only feather in his cap is he can spend Monopoly money. He’d be a horrible candidate. Dems need to find a gov doing well. Run from the Biden 2020 crowd. Just as the pubs should
But he rides a bike to work to save the planet. After his motorcade drops him off about a block from the White House though.
Lol. All the highly popular Gov’s are Republicans. Maybe Polis or Beshear, but they would get torn to shreds in a Democratic primary.
