Some would say they found a new religion.....just saying.The GOP has historically disenfranchised moderates because of their religious orthodoxy. As that is fading they should be able to attract more moderates from the Democrats.
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Some would say they found a new religion.....just saying.The GOP has historically disenfranchised moderates because of their religious orthodoxy. As that is fading they should be able to attract more moderates from the Democrats.
Religious Orthodoxy is not GOP orthodoxy. That said, RR did have outsized regional influence, but it’s nationwide appeal was more hype than substance.The GOP has historically disenfranchised moderates because of their religious orthodoxy. As that is fading they should be able to attract more moderates from the Democrats.
Nope. ”Trumpism“ is driven by personalty and is nurtured by anti-Trumpers. Wokeism is substantive and also driven by critics.To me "Trumpism" and "Wokeism" are just kissing cousins and result of quick hit, junk, twitter/social media, "journalism".
Anybody who talks about these topics for more than 5 minutes in a rational way realizes they have serious problems and overwhelming cognitive dissonance.
No it’s driven by a cult of true believers.Nope. ”Trumpism“ is driven by personalty and is nurtured by anti-Trumpers. Wokeism is substantive and also driven by critics.
And a mob mentality.No it’s driven by a cult of true believers.
.You sound like me describing a Cub fan.No it’s driven by a cult of true believers.
Yeah, sorry, if you don’t think he has a large - all too large - cult following then you have no eyes or no judgment..You sound like me describing a Cub fan.
People describing members of a group they dislike is always good for a laugh.
"Nurtured by anti-Trumpers"......right.Nope. ”Trumpism“ is driven by personalty and is nurtured by anti-Trumpers. Wokeism is substantive and also driven by critics.
Guy is in so deep it's scary.Yeah, sorry, if you don’t think he has a large - all too large - cult following then you have no eyes or no judgment.
Nothing to see here but legitimate political discourse. And tourists. Or maybe they're just Cubs fans."Nurtured by anti-Trumpers"......right.
I don't even think all of those people are necessarily attached to Trump, they are attached to anyone who will advance their POV. Many of them are not committed conservatives in the traditional sense."Nurtured by anti-Trumpers"......right.
Guy is in so deep it's scary.
Well, look who's suddenly got religion!My thoughts from my porch swing is that this Canadian was right:
"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power and special privilege.”
T.C. Douglas
I think for it to be "Trumpism" it has to involve Trump. I wouldn't fall into the trap of calling the policies in your second paragraph "Trumpism."I don't even think all of those people are necessarily attached to Trump, they are attached to anyone who will advance their POV. Many of them are not committed conservatives in the traditional sense.
I think "Trumpism" is good or bad depending on what you view that as. I cannot find the poll now, but when people were polled around the time Trump was elected his policies were widely popular. If you removed the politicians from the equation, the things Trump was talking about from a policy perspective were the most popular positions in the country. The Bernie Bros. were number 2.
The GOP should run an anti-"woke" campaign. They should run on overhauling the immigration system and closing down the border to illegal immigration. They should run on a bit of protectionism that looks to recover manufacturing of national security linked goods back from China. They should run on reigning in the CoC, particularly where it involves Corporations doing the dirty work for government where rent seeking and buying off of politicians has created a crony capitalist system whereby government is far too involved in the protection of big corporate entities. They can point to the pandemic where Mom and Pop small businesses got run out of business while government policy pushed consumers to the conglomerates.
"Trumpism" is extremely popular as long as it does not involve Trump.
You don’t need to apologize. Trump has a large and enthusiastic following. So what? How is that different from other popular politicians like Obama? How is that different from the anti-elite/establishment demonstrations in France, Canada, and elsewhere? You must think his “cult” is much more powerful than this Trump voter does.Yeah, sorry, if you don’t think he has a large - all too large - cult following then you have no eyes or no judgment.
GOP better claim it before the Dems claim it as their new mantra. And they will.Every single neighborhood in San Francisco—The Castro, Haight-Asbury, Pelosi’s Pacific Heights— voted for the recall due to:
-overdoing COVID closures
-Obsession with race
-Eliminating merit schools
These are winning issues for the GOP.
Well, if you had polled the folks there that day and asked why they were there it was probably 90% "Trump was robbed" or "Biden stole the election".I don't even think all of those people are necessarily attached to Trump, they are attached to anyone who will advance their POV. Many of them are not committed conservatives in the traditional sense.
It's rare for anything to be as black-and-white as "if you support that policy you support [insert your favorite scary -ism]."
I don’t think that is true at all. For the large majority of people good and bad policies depend on who advances the policy. We see that argument frequently on this board as many comments about issues really are about who speaks to the issue. The speaker of the House of Representatives proudly bragged that she held up Trump proposals for the sole reason she didn’t want to give him a victory during an election year.Whether a particular policy is good or bad can be confined to that policy alone, I think.
Some of the posters on here act like they were personally abused by Trump.Just stop it. Trump‘s public policy positions were about mainstream as they come. Certainly more mainstream that what the Biden/Harris/Pelosi/Schumer brain trust has given us. You are overwhelmed with by his personality and acting on 100% pearl-clutching emotion.
There’s a difference or distinction here. I’m not calling you a cultist. But it’s insane to not think his cult is larger than the other pols you named. Trump voter <> cult member automatically.You don’t need to apologize. Trump has a large and enthusiastic following. So what? How is that different from other popular politicians like Obama? How is that different from the anti-elite/establishment demonstrations in France, Canada, and elsewhere? You must think his “cult” is much more powerful than this Trump voter does.
I think the fact he rarely left his basement was a giant clue.I think you're right. We missed the signs - USWNT; Harris; if you don't vote for me you ain't black, etc.
I agree, but I can never tell when people use "Trumpism" what it is exactly they are talking about. Trump is not an -ism, he is a person. He had a political philosophy, or instincts which led him in a certain direction with the details filled in by others, and that could be an -ism as it was not really a group of policies that were being pushed by either party. (I think Trump is more of an old timey Democrat to be honest.)I think for it to be "Trumpism" it has to involve Trump. I wouldn't fall into the trap of calling the policies in your second paragraph "Trumpism."
Whether a particular policy is good or bad can be confined to that policy alone, I think. Don't allow it to be labeled with Trumpism (or socialism, or fascism or whatever "ism"). There can be an infinite combination of policies, and an infinite number of ways to implement it or gradations of it. It's rare for anything to be as black-and-white as "if you support that policy you support [insert your favorite scary -ism]."
So were the people who claimed Hillary got robbed and rioted in 2016 part of a Hillary cult or were they upset with an election result and what that meant for their worldview? I think that our political system tends to wrap the beliefs up with the person putting them forth at that time, particularly near election time.Well, if you had polled the folks there that day and asked why they were there it was probably 90% "Trump was robbed" or "Biden stole the election".
Which 100% have to do with Trump. Nobody was there b/c of the dirty CoC or to advance protectionist dogma.
I just got done listening to this and it comports a bit with this
Correct. They don't like the messenger.I don't even think all of those people are necessarily attached to Trump, they are attached to anyone who will advance their POV. Many of them are not committed conservatives in the traditional sense.
I think "Trumpism" is good or bad depending on what you view that as. I cannot find the poll now, but when people were polled around the time Trump was elected his policies were widely popular. If you removed the politicians from the equation, the things Trump was talking about from a policy perspective were the most popular positions in the country. The Bernie Bros. were number 2.
The GOP should run an anti-"woke" campaign. They should run on overhauling the immigration system and closing down the border to illegal immigration. They should run on a bit of protectionism that looks to recover manufacturing of national security linked goods back from China. They should run on reigning in the CoC, particularly where it involves Corporations doing the dirty work for government where rent seeking and buying off of politicians has created a crony capitalist system whereby government is far too involved in the protection of big corporate entities. They can point to the pandemic where Mom and Pop small businesses got run out of business while government policy pushed consumers to the conglomerates.
"Trumpism" is extremely popular as long as it does not involve Trump.
To an extent I agree. But tell me, where are all the Hillshills now?So were the people who claimed Hillary got robbed and rioted in 2016 part of a Hillary cult or were they upset with an election result and what that meant for their worldview? I think that our political system tends to wrap the beliefs up with the person putting them forth at that time, particularly near election time.
Also, I didn’t see a single damn Hills flag being flown from a truck. I still see Trump flags in 2022. Equating the two is intentionally missing the point.To an extent I agree. But tell me, where are all the Hillshills now?
So there's a difference.
Listen to that podcast I linked. Basically hits to a "T" where we're at today. I'll even admit, my view of Trump's policies were often warped by his shithousery and his being a bad human being. Fair enough. It is hard to separate the two. Preferably we would have decent human beings as president or in Congress and we could just debate the issues. But, have you seen Congress lately?
No, it's difficult to fly a flag from a Prius.Also, I didn’t see a single damn Hills flag being flown from a truck. I still see Trump flags in 2022. Equating the two is intentionally missing the point.
People were singing songs about Obama when he was on the scene. Where are they now? The political cults are built around the people at the time. I don't see nearly the amount of Trump paraphernalia that I saw back around the election these days. I cannot tell you the last time I saw a Trump flag or MAGA hat. I still see bumper stickers but I see them for every candidate.Also, I didn’t see a single damn Hills flag being flown from a truck. I still see Trump flags in 2022. Equating the two is intentionally missing the point.
Must be…the silence is deafeningI wonder if it’s ok to “interfere” with school boards when Democrats do it.
Every single neighborhood in San Francisco—The Castro, Haight-Asbury, Pelosi’s Pacific Heights— voted for the recall due to:
-overdoing COVID closures
-Obsession with race
-Eliminating merit schools
These are winning issues for the GOP.
“Cult” is.a word used because people are too lazy, or incapable, to engage in meaningful dialogue. It’s kinda like “racist” when discussing race issues, or ‘denier” when discussing climate. People who use such words really believe they hold an intellectually and morally superior view, so they dismiss others with meaningless words like cult.There’s a difference or distinction here. I’m not calling you a cultist. But it’s insane to not think his cult is larger than the other pols you named. Trump voter <> cult member automatically.
The people who breached the Capitol and those who support them are Cultists. That’s not lazy. That’s objective truth.“Cult” is.a word used because people are too lazy, or incapable, to engage in meaningful dialogue. It’s kinda like “racist” when discussing race issues, or ‘denier” when discussing climate. People who use such words really believe they hold an intellectually and morally superior view, so they dismiss others with meaningless words like cult.
You must be jokingPeople were singing songs about Obama when he was on the scene. Where are they now? The political cults are built around the people at the time. I don't see nearly the amount of Trump paraphernalia that I saw back around the election these days. I cannot tell you the last time I saw a Trump flag or MAGA hat. I still see bumper stickers but I see them for every candidate.
I - and I think most people - do not have the same experience. There is Trump stuff everywhere and I live in an urban county - albeit in the burbs. Billboards, stupid flags with profanity, painted barns and bumper stickers for 2024, etc.People were singing songs about Obama when he was on the scene. Where are they now? The political cults are built around the people at the time. I don't see nearly the amount of Trump paraphernalia that I saw back around the election these days. I cannot tell you the last time I saw a Trump flag or MAGA hat. I still see bumper stickers but I see them for every candidate.
There is a guy in my area who flies a Trump flag next to the Dont Tread on Me flag. But the cherry is his Trump cutout standing behind the Let’s Go Brandon sign, which is front lit.I - and I think most people - do not have the same experience. There is Trump stuff everywhere and I live in an urban county - albeit in the burbs. Billboards, stupid flags with profanity, painted barns and bumper stickers for 2024, etc.
I don’t see MAGA hats to your point, but never really did.
I don’t see much In my area. Very ruralThere is a guy in my area who flies a Trump flag next to the Dont Tread on Me flag. But the cherry is his Trump cutout standing behind the Let’s Go Brandon sign, which is front lit.
Look, I remember candidate bumper stickers, but to act like anything has even been like the Trump adulation is flat wrong. To quote Aloha, it’s a cult.
“Cult” is.a word used because people are too lazy, or incapable, to engage in meaningful dialogue. It’s kinda like “racist” when discussing race issues, or ‘denier” when discussing climate. People who use such words really believe they hold an intellectually and morally superior view, so they dismiss others with meaningless words like cult.
I don't even think all of those people are necessarily attached to Trump, they are attached to anyone who will advance their POV.