Some would say they found a new religion.....just saying.
Thoughts from the front porch of a curmudgeon
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Religious Orthodoxy is not GOP orthodoxy. That said, RR did have outsized regional influence, but it’s nationwide appeal was more hype than substance.
Nope. ”Trumpism“ is driven by personalty and is nurtured by anti-Trumpers. Wokeism is substantive and also driven by critics.
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And a mob mentality.
Go to 2:04 below (unless you're an idiot and haven't seen the movies, like McM, then go watch the whole damn movies!):
.You sound like me describing a Cub fan.
People describing members of a group they dislike is always good for a laugh.
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Yeah, sorry, if you don’t think he has a large - all too large - cult following then you have no eyes or no judgment.
Nothing to see here but legitimate political discourse. And tourists. Or maybe they're just Cubs fans."Nurtured by anti-Trumpers"......right.
I don't even think all of those people are necessarily attached to Trump, they are attached to anyone who will advance their POV. Many of them are not committed conservatives in the traditional sense."Nurtured by anti-Trumpers"......right.
I think "Trumpism" is good or bad depending on what you view that as. I cannot find the poll now, but when people were polled around the time Trump was elected his policies were widely popular. If you removed the politicians from the equation, the things Trump was talking about from a policy perspective were the most popular positions in the country. The Bernie Bros. were number 2.
The GOP should run an anti-"woke" campaign. They should run on overhauling the immigration system and closing down the border to illegal immigration. They should run on a bit of protectionism that looks to recover manufacturing of national security linked goods back from China. They should run on reigning in the CoC, particularly where it involves Corporations doing the dirty work for government where rent seeking and buying off of politicians has created a crony capitalist system whereby government is far too involved in the protection of big corporate entities. They can point to the pandemic where Mom and Pop small businesses got run out of business while government policy pushed consumers to the conglomerates.
"Trumpism" is extremely popular as long as it does not involve Trump.
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anon_6hv78pr714xta
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I think for it to be "Trumpism" it has to involve Trump. I wouldn't fall into the trap of calling the policies in your second paragraph "Trumpism."
Whether a particular policy is good or bad can be confined to that policy alone, I think. Don't allow it to be labeled with Trumpism (or socialism, or fascism or whatever "ism"). There can be an infinite combination of policies, and an infinite number of ways to implement it or gradations of it. It's rare for anything to be as black-and-white as "if you support that policy you support [insert your favorite scary -ism]."
You don’t need to apologize. Trump has a large and enthusiastic following. So what? How is that different from other popular politicians like Obama? How is that different from the anti-elite/establishment demonstrations in France, Canada, and elsewhere? You must think his “cult” is much more powerful than this Trump voter does.
GOP better claim it before the Dems claim it as their new mantra. And they will.
Well, if you had polled the folks there that day and asked why they were there it was probably 90% "Trump was robbed" or "Biden stole the election".
Which 100% have to do with Trump. Nobody was there b/c of the dirty CoC or to advance protectionist dogma.
I just got done listening to this and it comports a bit with this
I don’t think that is true at all. For the large majority of people good and bad policies depend on who advances the policy. We see that argument frequently on this board as many comments about issues really are about who speaks to the issue. The speaker of the House of Representatives proudly bragged that she held up Trump proposals for the sole reason she didn’t want to give him a victory during an election year.
Some of the posters on here act like they were personally abused by Trump.
They should seek counseling.
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There’s a difference or distinction here. I’m not calling you a cultist. But it’s insane to not think his cult is larger than the other pols you named. Trump voter <> cult member automatically.
I think the fact he rarely left his basement was a giant clue.
And, when he did, he was speaking to cars in drive-in movie theaters. BIG clue there.
I know you voted for Biden, but based on your postings here, I can't, for the life of me, imagine why. Don't care for Trump, OK. But it was obvious Biden was/is being controlled by marionettists who are no moderates.
I agree, but I can never tell when people use "Trumpism" what it is exactly they are talking about. Trump is not an -ism, he is a person. He had a political philosophy, or instincts which led him in a certain direction with the details filled in by others, and that could be an -ism as it was not really a group of policies that were being pushed by either party. (I think Trump is more of an old timey Democrat to be honest.)
I think defining the term "Trumpism" is pretty important in these conversations.
So were the people who claimed Hillary got robbed and rioted in 2016 part of a Hillary cult or were they upset with an election result and what that meant for their worldview? I think that our political system tends to wrap the beliefs up with the person putting them forth at that time, particularly near election time.
To an extent I agree. But tell me, where are all the Hillshills now?
So there's a difference.
Listen to that podcast I linked. Basically hits to a "T" where we're at today. I'll even admit, my view of Trump's policies were often warped by his shithousery and his being a bad human being. Fair enough. It is hard to separate the two. Preferably we would have decent human beings as president or in Congress and we could just debate the issues. But, have you seen Congress lately?
Also, I didn’t see a single damn Hills flag being flown from a truck. I still see Trump flags in 2022. Equating the two is intentionally missing the point.
No, it's difficult to fly a flag from a Prius.
And it causes a lot of wind drag on your EV - runs down the battery too quickly.
People were singing songs about Obama when he was on the scene. Where are they now? The political cults are built around the people at the time. I don't see nearly the amount of Trump paraphernalia that I saw back around the election these days. I cannot tell you the last time I saw a Trump flag or MAGA hat. I still see bumper stickers but I see them for every candidate.
"These are winning issues for the GOP"
----------------------------------------------------
though not as big a winners as blacks rioting, looting, and burning, in the streets, and the legal system letting off hardened criminals.
big money didn't buy the DNC to help them win elections.
it did so to help them lose elections, and make sure their bets were hedged when Dems did win, by making sure the winning Dems were far right on everything economic, and just as pro corporate, pro rich, anti working class, as the pro corporate, pro rich, anti working class, Pubs.
and no, it isn't personal.
it's just business.
a generous gift from Wall St left at DNC headquarters.
“Cult” is.a word used because people are too lazy, or incapable, to engage in meaningful dialogue. It’s kinda like “racist” when discussing race issues, or ‘denier” when discussing climate. People who use such words really believe they hold an intellectually and morally superior view, so they dismiss others with meaningless words like cult.
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The people who breached the Capitol and those who support them are Cultists. That’s not lazy. That’s objective truth.
You must be joking
In my neighborhood I see a half dozen Trump 2024 flags, US flags flown upside down, the stupid flag with the blue line, and all sorts of Trump stickers, hats, banners, window signs, antivaxx crap, antimask crap... EVERYWHERE.
It dwarfs all all other paraphernalia I have seen in my lifetime, 10:1, outside of when a race is actually going on.
Sure, there were Biden yard signs. They went up in September/October 2020, and came down a few days after election day. That's what you do, when not in a damn cult. Same for Obama in 2008 and 2012. Bush in 2000 and 2004.
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I - and I think most people - do not have the same experience. There is Trump stuff everywhere and I live in an urban county - albeit in the burbs. Billboards, stupid flags with profanity, painted barns and bumper stickers for 2024, etc.
I don’t see MAGA hats to your point, but never really did.
There is a guy in my area who flies a Trump flag next to the Dont Tread on Me flag. But the cherry is his Trump cutout standing behind the Let’s Go Brandon sign, which is front lit.
Look, I remember candidate bumper stickers, but to act like anything has even been like the Trump adulation is flat wrong. To quote Aloha, it’s a cult.
I don’t see much In my area. Very rural
I saw several homes with all the garbage a few weeks ago around Bloomington
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