This is clearly not a man who wants to be king

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Trump suggests ‘methods’ exist for bid for unconstitutional third term


President Donald Trump on Sunday declined to rule out seeking a third presidential term — an unconstitutional act explicitly barred under the 22nd Amendment — saying that “there are methods which you could do it.”

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

But that’s ok because.. you know…. MAGA

 

[mcmurtry66]

But that’s ok because.. you know…. MAGA

You could take two seconds and see that it is already being discussed below

And it’s not as clear as just citing 22

Winter is coming. Mercifully

 

[outside shooter]

Trump says bizarre crap.

In his defense, he likely doesn't know what day it is, when he needs his next diaper change, or what flavor of pudding he gets today.

 

[sweetsilence]

12th amendment says no

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

12th amendment says no

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Trump is a natural born citizen at least 35 and at least 14 years a resident. He passes that test.

 

[sweetsilence]

Trump is a natural born citizen at least 35 and at least 14 years a resident. He passes that test.

Per the 22nd he isnt constitutionally eligible to be elected president. Would that not imply being ineligible for VP? Would be a question for the courts I guess?

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Per the 22nd he isnt constitutionally eligible to be elected president. Would that not imply being ineligible for VP? Would be a question for the courts I guess?

Actually I'm not sure it would be a question for the courts, because they might punt on the ground that it's a political question best resolved by the electoral college and Congress assembled in joint session.

But, no, the 22nd doesn't necessarily imply he's ineligible for VP. I'm sure if you asked someone who helped write the 22nd, they'd tell you that was their plan, or more likely, that they never considered the possibility. But at any rate, it doesn't say he's disqualified to serve.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Per the 22nd he isnt constitutionally eligible to be elected president. Would that not imply being ineligible for VP? Would be a question for the courts I guess?

Further, I shall offer a gedankenexperiment: Let's say Obama gets the itch to get back into politics, and he runs for Congress, wins in a landslide, and the ensuing Democratic majority makes him Speaker. Then President Vance is shot down by stray birdshot over Wheeling, and VP Donald Trump, Jr. at the same time just happens to tragically pass away from an OD of hookers and blow. Obama is in line to be Prez. Is he ineligible?

 

[outside shooter]

Further, I shall offer a gedankenexperiment: Let's say Obama gets the itch to get back into politics, and he runs for Congress, wins in Obama is in line to be Prez. Is he ineligible?

Yes, many times there have been people in line for succession who were constitutionally ineligible. They would be skipped. I suppose that understanding could be challenged.


Elaine Chao, a Secretary of Transportation, would be 13th or 14th in line—but barring a Constitutional amendment, she could have never become President, because she is a naturalized citizen, not a citizen by birth.

The highest-ranking official who was disqualified for the Presidential succession was Henry Kissinger, who as Secretary of State under Nixon would have been fourth in line if he hadn’t been disqualified by being a naturalized citizen born in Germany. (Actually, between October and December 1973, Kissinger would have been third, since the office of VP was vacant.) If some catastrophe in mid-1973 had taken out Nixon, VP Agnew, House Speaker Carl Albert, and Senate President pro tempore James Eastland. . . then Kissinger would have been skipped, and Treasury Secretary George Shultz would have taken over as President. It is perhaps just as well that that didn’t happen..

Madeline Albright, who was born in Czechoslovakia, also was Secretary of State, in the Clinton administration.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Yes, many times there have been people in line for succession who were constitutionally ineligible. They would be skipped. I suppose that understanding could be challenged.


Elaine Chao, a Secretary of Transportation, would be 13th or 14th in line—but barring a Constitutional amendment, she could have never become President, because she is a naturalized citizen, not a citizen by birth.

The highest-ranking official who was disqualified for the Presidential succession was Henry Kissinger, who as Secretary of State under Nixon would have been fourth in line if he hadn’t been disqualified by being a naturalized citizen born in Germany. (Actually, between October and December 1973, Kissinger would have been third, since the office of VP was vacant.) If some catastrophe in mid-1973 had taken out Nixon, VP Agnew, House Speaker Carl Albert, and Senate President pro tempore James Eastland. . . then Kissinger would have been skipped, and Treasury Secretary George Shultz would have taken over as President. It is perhaps just as well that that didn’t happen..

Madeline Albright, who was born in Czechoslovakia slso was Secretary of State, in the Clinton administration.

My point is that Obama isn't constitutionally ineligible. The 22nd prevents him from being elected to the office, it doesn't prevent him from succeeding to the office.

 

[outside shooter]

Oh, we're in the it depends on what the mean of "is" is territory of lawyerly shenanigans

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Oh, we're in the it depends on what the mean of "is" is territory of lawyerly shenanigans

Not really. We're just talking about the plain language of the amendment. It clearly says that no one can be elected more than twice. It does not say anything about being president more than twice. In fact, the language clearly recognizes that it's possible to become president in ways other than election, by further restricting those who have held the office of or acted as president for more than two years. If they wanted to, they could have easily added the language that no one who had been president twice could further hold the office of or act as president, but they didn't. We are bound by what they wrote, not by what we imagine they must have intended.

 

[iuwclurker]

Not really. We're just talking about the plain language of the amendment. It clearly says that no one can be elected more than twice. It does not say anything about being president more than twice. In fact, the language clearly recognizes that it's possible to become president in ways other than election, by further restricting those who have held the office of or acted as president for more than two years. If they wanted to, they could have easily added the language that no one who had been president twice could further hold the office of or act as president, but they didn't. We are bound by what they wrote, not by what we imagine they must have intended.

Originalist

 

[BradStevens]

Originalist

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[BradStevens]

Further, I shall offer a gedankenexperiment: Let's say Obama gets the itch to get back into politics, and he runs for Congress, wins in a landslide, and the ensuing Democratic majority makes him Speaker. Then President Vance is shot down by stray birdshot over Wheeling, and VP Donald Trump, Jr. at the same time just happens to tragically pass away from an OD of hookers and blow. Obama is in line to be Prez. Is he ineligible?

Let's say Trump doesn't run in 2028 but uses his clout to have a Republican House make him Speaker! Then he has his son run for Prez. while campaigning on a promise to resign along with his VP as soon as they are sworn in.

We might need to write a few new House of Cards seasons.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Don Jr definitely going to go out in a pile of vomit. That is the most factual statement in this thread

 

[sellsoap]

President Donald Trump on Sunday declined to rule out seeking a third presidential term — an unconstitutional act explicitly barred under the 22nd Amendment — saying that “there are methods which you could do it.”

Trump says bizarre crap.

In his defense, he likely doesn't know what day it is, when he needs his next diaper change, or what flavor of pudding he gets today.

Clever - did you cut and paste this from a previous post about President Auto-pen? Very efficient of you.

 

[Mark Milton]

Further, I shall offer a gedankenexperiment: Let's say Obama gets the itch to get back into politics, and he runs for Congress, wins in a landslide, and the ensuing Democratic majority makes him Speaker. Then President Vance is shot down by stray birdshot over Wheeling, and VP Donald Trump, Jr. at the same time just happens to tragically pass away from an OD of hookers and blow. Obama is in line to be Prez. Is he ineligible?

Per the 22nd he isnt constitutionally eligible to be elected president. Would that not imply being ineligible for VP? Would be a question for the courts I guess?

Goat is right. 22nd amendment speaks solely to "elected" presidents. We don't have presidential appointments, but rather a succession proceeding. Say Vance runs in 2028 and has Trump as his running mate. Or republican has Trump as his running mate. Vance or that the other person gets elected, Trump is no VP. On day one after being sworn in, Vance could resign. Trump is then the VP would then become president. The constitution does not preclude that possibility under a clear wording of the amendment--likely because who would think that a president would willing serve as a VP?

There is a law review article discussing this issue: https://scholarship.law.umn.edu/mlr/909/

The counter argument is that under the 12th amendment it states: “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.” Curiously, neither the 12th amendment nor 22nd amendment makes references to Speaker of the House. Games could be played there was well

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

VP Donald Trump, Jr. at the same time just happens to tragically pass away from an OD of hookers and blow

Would have been more believable if this was Hunter Biden

 

[td75]

Trump is seriously examining a possible run for a 3rd term in 2028. That's fairly easy to recognize given his comments.

Trump!!!!

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Would have been more believable if this was Hunter Biden

Hunter would not likely be Vance's veep.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Clever - did you cut and paste this from a previous post about President Auto-pen? Very efficient of you.

MAGA!!!

 

[iuwclurker]

What is that supposed to mean?

Just teasing Goat. As if he aligns with Thomas… 😉

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Hunter would not likely be Vance's veep.

But he really likes hookers and blow

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Trump suggests ‘methods’ exist for bid for unconstitutional third term


President Donald Trump on Sunday declined to rule out seeking a third presidential term — an unconstitutional act explicitly barred under the 22nd Amendment — saying that “there are methods which you could do it.”

If he can't complete all his retribution in four years, he might want another four:

Trump roars down multiple paths of retribution as he vowed. Some targets yield while others fight

In the early part of his second term, President Donald Trump has taken action against individuals, law firms, private corporations, media companies and universities he regards as adversaries.

apnews.com

 

[Mark Milton]

But he really likes hookers and blow

Reminder, so did Lawrence Taylor.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Goat is right. 22nd amendment speaks solely to "elected" presidents. We don't have presidential appointments, but rather a succession proceeding. Say Vance runs in 2028 and has Trump as his running mate. Or republican has Trump as his running mate. Vance or that the other person gets elected, Trump is no VP. On day one after being sworn in, Vance could resign. Trump is then the VP would then become president. The constitution does not preclude that possibility under a clear wording of the amendment--likely because who would think that a president would willing serve as a VP?

There is a law review article discussing this issue: https://scholarship.law.umn.edu/mlr/909/

The counter argument is that under the 12th amendment it states: “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.” Curiously, neither the 12th amendment nor 22nd amendment makes references to Speaker of the House. Games could be played there was well

FWIW, Larry Tribe agrees with you guys. Seems like one helluva glitch in the Constitutional text.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

FWIW, Larry Tribe agrees with you guys. Seems like one helluva glitch in the Constitutional text.

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Of course, you also have to ask, if you're Vance and you win with Trump as a running mate, after you're sworn in, do you really just turn around and resign? Or do you tell Trump to enjoy the Naval Observatory and you'll get back to him as soon as you have time, but maybe don't wait by the phone?

 

[sweetsilence]

It would be idiotic to have Trump as a VP. The dude would get all the attention and torpedo the campaign.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Goat is right. 22nd amendment speaks solely to "elected" presidents. We don't have presidential appointments, but rather a succession proceeding. Say Vance runs in 2028 and has Trump as his running mate. Or republican has Trump as his running mate. Vance or that the other person gets elected, Trump is no VP. On day one after being sworn in, Vance could resign. Trump is then the VP would then become president. The constitution does not preclude that possibility under a clear wording of the amendment--likely because who would think that a president would willing serve as a VP?

There is a law review article discussing this issue: https://scholarship.law.umn.edu/mlr/909/

The counter argument is that under the 12th amendment it states: “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.” Curiously, neither the 12th amendment nor 22nd amendment makes references to Speaker of the House. Games could be played there was well

exactly

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Of course, you also have to ask, if you're Vance and you win with Trump as a running mate, after you're sworn in, do you really just turn around and resign? Or do you tell Trump to enjoy the Naval Observatory and you'll get back to him as soon as you have time, but maybe don't wait by the phone?

You think Vance would have the stones to say no?

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Speaking of not being able to trust Vance, as long as we are speculating about wild ways to turn the US into a monarchy, here's the way Trump should have done it, if he wanted to:

1. Spend your time in office dismantling checks and balances and the independence of the DOJ as much as possible. (So far, so good.)
2. Transform your party into a populist personality cult that cares more about you than political ideology. (Check!)
3. Select a handful of close family members and work tirelessly to extend the devotion of your cult to them, so that when you run out of elections, they can be elected in your stead, keeping rule in the family. (Ooops, dropped the ball on this one.)
4. Do everything you can to transform the country into an effective one-party state, so that your hand-picked family member will always be elected. (This would be the benefit of all the attacks on the electoral system.)

If you do that, then you don't have to worry about immunity, because Don, Jr. is now Prez, and he'll simply order the AG to leave you alone. After 8 years, Ivanka is Prez, and she similarly continues to protect you and the rest of the Trump family. And so forth, in perpetuity.

Obviously, there are huge hurdles there, not the least of which is facing the reality that there might come a time when you need voters to love Eric Trump. And although it's in the nature of political parties to work to entrench their own power, natural shifting of allegiances makes me skeptical that we could ever reach a point where one party or the other will always win. Look at how close the GOP is to losing grip on its power in Wisconsin - they did everything right in that state to make it virtually illegal for the Democrats to win, and it's on a razor's edge at the moment.

But, anyway, if I were Trump, and I wanted to start an autocratic dynasty, that's how I would have done it.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

You think Vance would have the stones to say no?

I don't know, but do you think Trump would be comfortable leaving it up to him?

 

[mcmurtry66]

You think Vance would have the stones to say no?

all of this is obviously so much conjecture as that is contingent upon so many things, most importantly how the next three years goes. what's more trump will be very olddddddddddddddddddddd next go around. his best hope is to 1) not fck things up too badly 2) hope an aoc or aoc type runs for the dems and 3) a friendly repub wins the election to pardon him. i don't know for sure but i suspect the sol is tolled on much of his shit not dismissed with

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

sol is tolled on much of his shit not dismissed

The day a Democratic president is sworn in, Jack Smith is in Washington submitting his resume.

 

[mcmurtry66]

The day a Democratic president is sworn in, Jack Smith is in Washington submitting his resume.

that would be so entertaining. have to start disco over and endless motions then drag him into court for trial looking like robert durst with his comfies on under his prison uniform

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

all of this is obviously so much conjecture as that is contingent upon so many things, most importantly how the next three years goes. what's more trump will be very olddddddddddddddddddddd next go around. his best hope is to 1) not fck things up too badly 2) hope an aoc or aoc type runs for the dems and 3) a friendly repub wins the election to pardon him. i don't know for sure but i suspect the sol is tolled on much of his shit not dismissed with

Plus the President is old now.

 

[RegionHoosiers]

FWIW, Larry Tribe agrees with you guys. Seems like one helluva glitch in the Constitutional text.

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Hasn't trump already been elected 3 times?

 

[iuwclurker]

Hasn't trump already been elected 3 times?

Good point. The hypocrite shouldn’t have been allowed to run the third time since he claimed he’d already won twice.