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The Trump tapes

This could get really interesting.

So, my interest is piqued. However, I then looked to the right of the story and saw a blurb noting "Social Conservative crowd cheers Herschel Walker after revelation of undiscussed kids".

Which reminded me, if it has to do with Trump those that were going to vote for him before whatever's on those tapes get revealed (if anything) will still do so. It won't change a single mind.
 
Which reminded me, if it has to do with Trump those that were going to vote for him before whatever's on those tapes get revealed (if anything) will still do so. It won't change a single mind.

Of course the die hards don't care. But they are a minority. Even Nixon had some 30% support when he resigned, but he still became a pariah.

Independents will determine Trump's standing, as they do in nearly every case. And the polling I see says they're getting more sick of his shit by the day.
 
This could get really interesting.

It keeps getting worse for Trump. It's already clear that there's sufficient evidence to charge him with obstruction of an official proceeding of Congress and conspiracy to defraud the United States. Seditious conspiracy and wire fraud (for the bogus "Election Defense Fund") may also be in play. It's hard to imagine that the tapes you've referenced won't produce additional evidence of criminality. And today's testimony from Raffensperger will be devastating for Trump. Instructing Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have," and then implying Raffensperger could be prosecuted if he didn't do Trump's bidding, is a/the smoking gun.

Of course the ability to indict him and actually doing so are two different things. Criminally prosecuting a former president is unprecedented and poses a risk. The greater risk, though, would be not prosecuting him despite clear and compelling evidence of an egregious abuse of power and criminal wrongdoing. That would send the message that, yes, one man is in fact above the law, it would invite similar misconduct in the future and unquestionably open the door to autocratic rule.
 
It keeps getting worse for Trump. It's already clear that there's sufficient evidence to charge him with obstruction of an official proceeding of Congress and conspiracy to defraud the United States. Seditious conspiracy and wire fraud (for the bogus "Election Defense Fund") may also be in play. It's hard to imagine that the tapes you've referenced won't produce additional evidence of criminality. And today's testimony from Raffensperger will be devastating for Trump. Instructing Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have," and then implying Raffensperger could be prosecuted if he didn't do Trump's bidding, is a/the smoking gun.

Of course the ability to indict him and actually doing so are two different things. Criminally prosecuting a former president is unprecedented and poses a risk. The greater risk, though, would be not prosecuting him despite clear and compelling evidence of an egregious abuse of power and criminal wrongdoing. That would send the message that, yes, one man is in fact above the law, it would invite similar misconduct in the future and unquestionably open the door to autocratic rule.
Your last paragraph is what I worry about. It could logically made sense to prosecute him, members of his administration and his family, but I fear that very little will be done in the face of overwhelming evidence.

I was skeptical anything would come of these January 6 hearings other than political theater. It does seem that there is something there and it'll be even more interesting to see what comes of this documentary raw footage. I'm still not holding my breath for Trump himself to held accountable. I could see John Eastman and Barry Loudermilk being sent up the river though. I just hope that doesn't satiate everyone and we collectively wipe our hands of all this.
 
I was skeptical anything would come of these January 6 hearings other than political theater
We've all witnessed congressional proceedings over the years that were disjointed, meandering, and little more than political posturing and/or grandstanding. These hearings are not that. The Committee has clearly done its homework, the questions have been carefully crafted and the hearings have been focused and compelling. The recorded testimony has been seamlessly integrated with the live testimony, the committee members have for the most part let the witnesses tell the story, and there's been a logical flow to the presentation. I'm impressed.
 
Your last paragraph is what I worry about. It could logically made sense to prosecute him, members of his administration and his family, but I fear that very little will be done in the face of overwhelming evidence.

I was skeptical anything would come of these January 6 hearings other than political theater. It does seem that there is something there and it'll be even more interesting to see what comes of this documentary raw footage. I'm still not holding my breath for Trump himself to held accountable. I could see John Eastman and Barry Loudermilk being sent up the river though. I just hope that doesn't satiate everyone and we collectively wipe our hands of all this.
In the end, I think the grand purpose of all of this is to turn Trump into Hillary Clinton. As Unclemark alluded to above, there is a small, but significant chunk of America that is independent-ish (or at least, not uber-partisan) that don't really follow politics that much. Hillary's downfall was her inability to shake off the Benghazi / Email scandals. This whole circus is to brand Trump with a Jan 6. stigma so that whomever goes against him in 2024 in the primaries / general will be able to throw it out there in every single speech as "proof" of how untrustworthy Trump is.
I don't think the committee really cares in the end whether Trump is charged or not. They just don't want him in the White House in 2025.
 
In the end, I think the grand purpose of all of this is to turn Trump into Hillary Clinton. As Unclemark alluded to above, there is a small, but significant chunk of America that is independent-ish (or at least, not uber-partisan) that don't really follow politics that much. Hillary's downfall was her inability to shake off the Benghazi / Email scandals. This whole circus is to brand Trump with a Jan 6. stigma so that whomever goes against him in 2024 in the primaries / general will be able to throw it out there in every single speech as "proof" of how untrustworthy Trump is.
I don't think the committee really cares in the end whether Trump is charged or not. They just don't want him in the White House in 2025.
I feel like that's a strategy that could backfire horribly. I don't think there are any Republicans who are strong enough politically to call him out on this stuff in a primary debate and any Democrats are just going to be labeled the 'deep state' or something to that effect.

I actually think trying to further paint him as a criminal without any meaningful prosecution will only embolden him and his followers. I mean, it's plain as day that he's been a grifter, liar and a cheat his entire adult life and the MAGA crowd can't get enough of him.
 
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In the end, I think the grand purpose of all of this is to turn Trump into Hillary Clinton. As Unclemark alluded to above, there is a small, but significant chunk of America that is independent-ish (or at least, not uber-partisan) that don't really follow politics that much. Hillary's downfall was her inability to shake off the Benghazi / Email scandals. This whole circus is to brand Trump with a Jan 6. stigma so that whomever goes against him in 2024 in the primaries / general will be able to throw it out there in every single speech as "proof" of how untrustworthy Trump is.
I don't think the committee really cares in the end whether Trump is charged or not. They just don't want him in the White House in 2025.
He's a clear and present danger to American democracy. He abused his power unlike any prior president including Nixon and he committed crimes in the process. The committee is presenting evidence of his crimes. He needs to be prosecuted or this will happen again.
 
He's a clear and present danger to American democracy. He abused his power unlike any prior president including Nixon and he committed crimes in the process. The committee is presenting evidence of his crimes. He needs to be prosecuted or this will happen again.

Yea, might get Desantis who is a slightly smarter version of Trump that will be better about covering up his crimes and living in the greyish area.
 
He's a clear and present danger to American democracy. He abused his power unlike any prior president including Nixon and he committed crimes in the process. The committee is presenting evidence of his crimes. He needs to be prosecuted or this will happen again.
Agree. "He has done it before. He will do it again. I will tell you 100%. Not 5, not 10, not even 50, but 100%". Adam Schiff, impeachment hearing.
 
How can anyone support the Biden World?
How about we all get back to thinking and supporting serious people from the actual world. Trump isn't a serious person. He never has been. He's a carnival barker that has tapped into an anger and fear vein in our country. And the only reason Biden is even a thing right now is because there were over 80 million Americans that are a combination of embarrassed and scared shitless at what Trump could and would do to our country. The damage that Biden is doing to our country is a tragic side effect to how horrible Trump is and was. And the damage that Trump would inevitably do to our country from 2025-2029 would be an even more tragic side effect of how horrible Biden is.

It'll be incredibly sad if it ends up Trump v Biden in 2024. Our country loses no matter what in that matchup. Its kind of like watching Purdue play Kentucky in any sport.
 
How about we all get back to thinking and supporting serious people from the actual world. Trump isn't a serious person. He never has been. He's a carnival barker that has tapped into an anger and fear vein in our country. And the only reason Biden is even a thing right now is because there were over 80 million Americans that are a combination of embarrassed and scared shitless at what Trump could and would do to our country. The damage that Biden is doing to our country is a tragic side effect to how horrible Trump is and was. And the damage that Trump would inevitably do to our country from 2025-2029 would be an even more tragic side effect of how horrible Biden is.

It'll be incredibly sad if it ends up Trump v Biden in 2024. Our country loses no matter what in that matchup. Its kind of like watching Purdue play Kentucky in any sport.
My post you replied to didn’t mention President Trump! So why did you?
 
Powerful testimony from Arizona Speaker. He is clearly emotional and outraged at what was asked of him.
 
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My post you replied to didn’t mention President Trump! So why did you?
The post you replied to with your post didn't mention Biden, so why did you?

This is a perfect summation of why we're phucked with Trump/Biden as our candidates.
 
It keeps getting worse for Trump. It's already clear that there's sufficient evidence to charge him with obstruction of an official proceeding of Congress and conspiracy to defraud the United States. Seditious conspiracy and wire fraud (for the bogus "Election Defense Fund") may also be in play. It's hard to imagine that the tapes you've referenced won't produce additional evidence of criminality. And today's testimony from Raffensperger will be devastating for Trump. Instructing Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have," and then implying Raffensperger could be prosecuted if he didn't do Trump's bidding, is a/the smoking gun.

Of course the ability to indict him and actually doing so are two different things. Criminally prosecuting a former president is unprecedented and poses a risk. The greater risk, though, would be not prosecuting him despite clear and compelling evidence of an egregious abuse of power and criminal wrongdoing. That would send the message that, yes, one man is in fact above the law, it would invite similar misconduct in the future and unquestionably open the door to autocratic rule.
I'm not watching or keeping up on the hearings.

So is one of the purposes of these hearings to convince an executive branch employee to charge Trump? Is information coming to light in these hearings that was previously unknown to the Justice Department that bears on that?
 
The post you replied to with your post didn't mention Biden, so why did you?

This is a perfect summation of why we're phucked with Trump/Biden as our candidates.
Let’s see, maybe it’s because I am a premium member and I can ask what I want about the current president.
 
How about we all get back to thinking and supporting serious people from the actual world. Trump isn't a serious person. He never has been. He's a carnival barker that has tapped into an anger and fear vein in our country. And the only reason Biden is even a thing right now is because there were over 80 million Americans that are a combination of embarrassed and scared shitless at what Trump could and would do to our country. The damage that Biden is doing to our country is a tragic side effect to how horrible Trump is and was. And the damage that Trump would inevitably do to our country from 2025-2029 would be an even more tragic side effect of how horrible Biden is.

It'll be incredibly sad if it ends up Trump v Biden in 2024. Our country loses no matter what in that matchup. Its kind of like watching Purdue play Kentucky in any sport.
Remember the phrase "loyal opposition?" I think it's been replaced by "RINO."
 
How about we all get back to thinking and supporting serious people from the actual world. Trump isn't a serious person. He never has been. He's a carnival barker that has tapped into an anger and fear vein in our country. And the only reason Biden is even a thing right now is because there were over 80 million Americans that are a combination of embarrassed and scared shitless at what Trump could and would do to our country. The damage that Biden is doing to our country is a tragic side effect to how horrible Trump is and was. And the damage that Trump would inevitably do to our country from 2025-2029 would be an even more tragic side effect of how horrible Biden is.

It'll be incredibly sad if it ends up Trump v Biden in 2024. Our country loses no matter what in that matchup. Its kind of like watching Purdue play Kentucky in any sport.

Please put both these two geezers out to pasture, permanently.
 
um ok. What does this show other than Trump expected blind loyalty in return for his endorsement? If anything this makes Trump look worse. He is almost admitting that he expected Bower to cheat for him.

I don't think this is the "ah ha!" you were looking for. Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Well if Bower did in indeed just perjure himself and Trump has the tape to prove it that will blow this whole charade up.
 
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