The Southern border boogeyman
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How should I know? I don't know where he got those numbers or how he used them. I know he's not a trustworthy source.
Is this just "propaganda" (did they footnote it correctly for you Joy?):
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2024-05/NDTA_2024.pdf
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2024-05/NDTA_2024.pdf
So you didn’t read the report and can’t dispute in any way shape or form its conclusions or data. How do you know “he’s” not a trustworthy source? So we get disingenuous GOAT today…got it.
I read what you linked. He's not trustworthy because the CIS is a racist advocacy group. Would you trust a press release from the American Hispanic Alliance for Open Borders or something like that?
It should be easy to shoot holes in the report & data using the way you used to draw your conclusions then. Sometimes bad people are right. Sometimes political opponents & people with agendas have valid viewpoints. I don’t ignore any message or information just because of who it came from…
Exactly, and anyone who says otherwise is a flat out liar.
I agree anecdotal evidence is unhelpful. I'm just focusing on the larger question, which even if you answer, doesn't necessarily require a certain policy position.
That's correct. I'm not suggesting lower crime among immigrants means we should increase immigration. I'm only fighting back against the use of these stories as a substitute for an argument against the current levels.
Awful lot of tragic exceptions in the news lately.....
You fall for the fallacy of anecdotal evidence.
If I share with you 25 stories of people winning the lottery, it doesn't mean that you are surely going to win it.
Most crimes are committed by younger poorer men. If most of the illegal immigrants crossing are younger poor men, there is going to be an increase in crime. It’s another reason why we should have secure borders.
No, I am well aware that the vast majority of the people that are walking across the border are probably just poor people looking to make a buck. I am just one of the people who frankly doesn't care about their reasons. We have rules. The rules are not being followed. As a result of that, some non-zero amount of American citizens of all races and ages are being victimized up to the point of death because of our government's disinterest in following its own laws. And I am against that.
Locking down the borders would be pretty simple if anyone had the will. They don't. The Democrats believe all these people represent future votes and the Libertarian/Chamber of Commerce wing of the GOP (the people really in charge, not MAGA) view these as cheap workers to be exploited for profit. So the will to actually do something doesn't exist on either side because all the money sits on the side of letting just about anyone in who wants in and then hopefully sorting out the bad apples at some point down the road.
I understand statistics, when it comes to this topic I don't ****ing care.
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I always wonder when I hear that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens whether that includes the actual act of coming here illegally.
I know crossing the border illegally in Texas and Arizona is literally breaking state law.
Contrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates among undocumented immigrants compared to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens
proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, U. Wisconsin authors, 2020
proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, U. Wisconsin authors, 2020
4 year old data, have the demographics on sho is immigrating changed since then?Contrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates among undocumented immigrants compared to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens
proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, U. Wisconsin authors, 2020
Data before the explosion of crossings.. Great job scientist. An argument can be made one crime is too many and that comparisons to citizens shouldn’t matterContrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates among undocumented immigrants compared to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens
proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, U. Wisconsin authors, 2020
Since you love them so much offer up any spare rooms you have and let them squat.Contrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates among undocumented immigrants compared to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens
proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, U. Wisconsin authors, 2020
Oh wait, you're probably a NIMBY.
Again, the RELEVANT comparator is to a US citizen.
I certainly wouldn't want you around.
And how is providing a link to the scientific study (as many specifically requested) implying that "I love them so much".
I do LOVE FACTS. I make accommodations for FACTS. You and your fellow gravy seal lardbutt dream-teamers should try it sometime!
Of course it doesn't include that. You include that, and the comparisons are meaningless.
Besides, it's clear here the issue is violent crime, not crime generally.
Very first sentence of the abstract:Contrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates among undocumented immigrants compared to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens
proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, U. Wisconsin authors, 2020
“Despite its centrality to public and political discourse, we lack even basic information on fundamental questions regarding undocumented immigrants and crime.”
Felony arrest rates =\= violent crime rate
True, and for some crimes, one might argue that it will be harder to track down the undocumented criminal. Any DNA to match is unlikely to be in a database, for example.
But the study also breaks down many different types of crime, including ones where the criminal is caught in the act, such as felony traffic arrests. This includes crimes such as driving while intoxicated, fleeing an accident involving an injury, operating a stolen vehicle.
In those cases alone, the perpetrator is >3 times more likely to be a US citizen than an undocumented immigrant.
The data is not a whole lot different among the other categories studied, if you go to the link.
You’re a sick ****. Here are the facts. There’s over 7 million non-detainees in this country. Non-detainees meaning people that have been determined to be deported. That’s over 7000 deportations per ICE agent. Quite a caseload.
Forget about the amnesty system debate on which mindless progressives are being hopelessly disingenuous. How many of those determined to need deportation should we allow to kill innocent Americans before it isn’t “propaganda” in your eyes. Sick ****.
