The road to dystopia?

[mcmurtry66]

Murt you can say it a million times and you will just be wrong a million times.

It's like saying it was fat people that caused the Titanic to sink. They didn't help, but the biggest factor was the hole the iceberg cut.

Every inflationary period we've had has come down to oil. It's why we didn't have crazy inflation about handing out bailout cash in 2008.

Biden’s American Rescue Plan worsened inflation. The question is how much.

Was it a minor contributor or a major factor in the US’s inflation woes?

www.vox.com

It’s not just oil. It was stimulus checks. Free money. It was tax credits converted to monthly checks. It was unemployment extensions. It was foreclosure stays. Eviction stays. Student loan stays. It was ridiculous virtue signaling Covid measures that spiked housing by way of unnecessary remote wor, set kids back, and destroyed livelihoods. Commercial real estate is F’d and wait for that foreclosure default bill to come due.

It. Was. Democrats. Policy decisions. Across the board. And it’s unforgivable. The stupidity of progressives.

 

[TommyCracker]

Biden’s American Rescue Plan worsened inflation. The question is how much.

Was it a minor contributor or a major factor in the US’s inflation woes?

www.vox.com

It’s not just oil. It was stimulus checks. Free money. It was tax credits converted to monthly checks. It was unemployment extensions. It was foreclosure stays. Eviction stays. Student loan stays. It was ridiculous virtue signaling Covid measures that spiked housing by way of unnecessary remote wor, set kids back, and destroyed livelihoods. Commercial real estate is F’d and wait for that foreclosure default bill to come due.

It. Was. Democrats. Across the board. And it’s unforgivable. The stupidity of progressives.

As a business owner you know that our economy, and the global economy are run on the tightest of margins. No one wants to carry safety stock (hold inventory) and the world is run to be 'just in time' for maximum efficiency and profitability.

So covid hits the globe and throws all calculations and patterns into chaos, which causes a massive disruption. People are scared to work, goods aren't being delivered, selling patterns are jumbled, panic hoarding are wiping weeks of inventory out. It has added more cost to the supply chain and created a spike in the gig economy cuz people want more stuff delivered.

Stimulus checks and PPP loans was the government trying to smooth everything out and get through the covid storm without it turning into a recession/depression.

So yeah, we spent during an economic crisis (just like we spent our way out of 2008) which is what we learned back in the great depression (and haven't had a depression since while stabilizing global markets).

That whole thing, including stimulus and PPP was putting inflationary pressure on things.

Then Putin invaded and oil spiked which took a massive shit on our economic recovery.

It was a Mike Tyson 1-2 punch. Two economic nuclear bombs in a row.

But we didn't fall into a recession and unemployment had stayed at all time lows as we recover.

Is there room for Monday morning quarterbacking...of course there is. We avoided a recession which I'll take every time. Unemployment is still at record lows, the stock market has made new all time highs, wage growth has now even outpaced inflation.

Wage growth has actually outpaced the crushing inflation over the past 2.5 years | Fortune

National average wages and salaries grew by nearly $15,000 from January 2021 to October 2023, according to the JEC Democrats.

www.google.com

Compared to what was predicted, this is a massive pleasant surprise.

Lastly and I'm being serious, is there any true libertarian government success story to point to?

Seems like they either implode or turn into a fascist regime due to the social unrest that comes with minimal government.

 

[mcmurtry66]

As a business owner you know that our economy, and the global economy are run on the tightest of margins. No one wants to carry safety stock (hold inventory) and the world is run to be 'just in time' for maximum efficiency and profitability.

So covid hits the globe and throws all calculations and patterns into chaos, which causes a massive disruption. People are scared to work, goods aren't being delivered, selling patterns are jumbled, panic hoarding are wiping weeks of inventory out. It has added more cost to the supply chain and created a spike in the gig economy cuz people want more stuff delivered.

Stimulus checks and PPP loans was the government trying to smooth everything out and get through the covid storm without it turning into a recession/depression.

So yeah, we spent during an economic crisis (just like we spent our way out of 2008) which is what we learned back in the great depression (and haven't had a depression since while stabilizing global markets).

That whole thing, including stimulus and PPP was putting inflationary pressure on things.

Then Putin invaded and oil spiked which took a massive shit on our economic recovery.

It was a Mike Tyson 1-2 punch. Two economic nuclear bombs in a row.

But we didn't fall into a recession and unemployment had stayed at all time lows as we recover.

Is there room for Monday morning quarterbacking...of course there is. We avoided a recession which I'll take every time. Unemployment is still at record lows, the stock market has made new all time highs, wage growth has now even outpaced inflation.

Wage growth has actually outpaced the crushing inflation over the past 2.5 years | Fortune

National average wages and salaries grew by nearly $15,000 from January 2021 to October 2023, according to the JEC Democrats.

www.google.com

Compared to what was predicted, this is a massive pleasant surprise.

Lastly and I'm being serious, is there any true libertarian government success story to point to?

Seems like they either implode or turn into a fascist regime due to the social unrest that comes with minimal government.

As a business owner you know that our economy, and the global economy are run on the tightest of margins. No one wants to carry safety stock (hold inventory) and the world is run to be 'just in time' for maximum efficiency and profitability.

So covid hits the globe and throws all calculations and patterns into chaos, which causes a massive disruption. People are scared to work, goods aren't being delivered, selling patterns are jumbled, panic hoarding are wiping weeks of inventory out. It has added more cost to the supply chain and created a spike in the gig economy cuz people want more stuff delivered.

Stimulus checks and PPP loans was the government trying to smooth everything out and get through the covid storm without it turning into a recession/depression.

So yeah, we spent during an economic crisis (just like we spent our way out of 2008) which is what we learned back in the great depression (and haven't had a depression since while stabilizing global markets).

That whole thing, including stimulus and PPP was putting inflationary pressure on things.

Then Putin invaded and oil spiked which took a massive shit on our economic recovery.

It was a Mike Tyson 1-2 punch. Two economic nuclear bombs in a row.

But we didn't fall into a recession and unemployment had stayed at all time lows as we recover.

Is there room for Monday morning quarterbacking...of course there is. We avoided a recession which I'll take every time. Unemployment is still at record lows, the stock market has made new all time highs, wage growth has now even outpaced inflation.

Wage growth has actually outpaced the crushing inflation over the past 2.5 years | Fortune

National average wages and salaries grew by nearly $15,000 from January 2021 to October 2023, according to the JEC Democrats.

www.google.com

Compared to what was predicted, this is a massive pleasant surprise.

Lastly and I'm being serious, is there any true libertarian government success story to point to?

Seems like they either implode or turn into a fascist regime due to the social unrest that comes with minimal government.

it would be impossible for me to disagree with you anymore than I do. The global stuff is bs. We overheated the economy. People didn’t work didn’t have bills and stayed home and ordered shit. That’s why prices went up and supply chains bogged down. Pete was a small town mayor and Biden a dolt so they didn’t predict it. This wasn’t organic from a pandemic. It was artificially created. Bad policy. We are stuck now with prices that relate directly to Dem policies. Whether it be unnecessary pandering free cheese or draconian Covid measures. Unemployment. ****. People are working three shit jobs to survive. Biden has the lowest approval rating of any president in modern history. People get it. HERE. IN THE US. where our policies impacted us. Sorry you don’t get it

The farther we move from Biden policies the better off we will be.

 

[twenty02]

it would be impossible for me to disagree with you anymore than I do. The global stuff is bs. We overheated the economy. People didn’t work didn’t have bills and stayed home and ordered shit. That’s why prices went up and supply chains bogged down. Pete was a small town mayor and Biden a dolt so they didn’t predict it. This wasn’t organic from a pandemic. It was artificially created. Bad policy. We are stuck now with prices that relate directly to Dem policies. Whether it be unnecessary pandering free cheese or draconian Covid measures. Unemployment. ****. People are working three shit jobs to survive. Biden has the lowest approval rating of any president in modern history. People get it. HERE. IN THE US. where our policies impacted us. Sorry you don’t get it

The farther we move from Biden policies the better off we will be.

I'd only say that Biden passed the policies that Trump wanted enacted. Trump was quite pissed that Congress didn't pass the direct payments he wanted. Which didn't occur until 21

You're kind of foolish to think that Trump has different domestic policy differences. He wanted to pump money just the same as Biden. Trump had a normal Trumpian melt down because he wanted another $2k check to everyone and didn't get it.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

W wanted to reach across the aisle and be The Education President.

He also wanted to on immigration.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I'd only say that Biden passed the policies that Trump wanted enacted. Trump was quite pissed that Congress didn't pass the direct payments he wanted. Which didn't occur until 21

You're kind of foolish to think that Trump has different domestic policy differences. He wanted to pump money just the same as Biden. Trump had a normal Trumpian melt down because he wanted another $2k check to everyone and didn't get it.

Nancy Pelosi:

”We can’t approve Trump’s plan because we can’t give him a victory.”

“We must approve Biden’s plan because that is what our president wants”.

This is what that old battle axe calls democracy.

 

[Bowlmania]

Murt you can say it a million times and you will just be wrong a million times.

It's like saying it was fat people that caused the Titanic to sink. They didn't help, but the biggest factor was the hole the iceberg cut.

Every inflationary period we've had has come down to oil. It's why we didn't have crazy inflation about handing out bailout cash in 2008.

You're dealing with argumentum ad nauseam - - the falllacy that if you say something again and again it's gotta be right. You're also dealing with someone who believes that having the last word means they won.

 

[snarlcakes]

Murt you can say it a million times and you will just be wrong a million times.

It's like saying it was fat people that caused the Titanic to sink. They didn't help, but the biggest factor was the hole the iceberg cut.

Every inflationary period we've had has come down to oil. It's why we didn't have crazy inflation about handing out bailout cash in 2008.

lol…this is silly. Please expand where you get your information from. I hope you’re doing well.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Lastly and I'm being serious, is there any true libertarian government success story to point to?

Space X

Musk changed the paradigm for privatization of an Important human endeavor

 

[BradStevens]

Space X

Musk changed the paradigm for privatization of an Important human endeavor

Wouldn't call this libertarian:

Elon Musk's SpaceX and Tesla get far more government money than NPR

Musk, too, is the beneficiary of public-private partnerships

qz.com

 

[BradStevens]

Lastly and I'm being serious, is there any true libertarian government success story to point to?

Seems like they either implode or turn into a fascist regime due to the social unrest that comes with minimal government.

What libertarian governments are you referring to?

On particular policies or leanings, I think you can find a lot to like:

Legalization of pot? Alcohol? Decriminalization of homosexuality?

Re economic policy, libertarians favor free markets. Do you need examples of free market success stories?

The Economy | Libertarian Party

Libertarians believe that all people have the right to freely offer goods and services on the market and that free-market approaches are the most effective at improving people’s lives. Our current economy is more crony capitalist than it is free, and that is responsible for the majority of...

www.lp.org

 

[hookyIU1990]

Biden announcing export ban on additional liquified natural gas for mostly climate change reasons. Europe depends on it and this also means a halt to all LNG dev projects in the US that are underway. Just more uncertainty that will have a negative short-term effect.

Statement from President Joe Biden on Decision to Pause Pending Approvals of Liquefied Natural Gas Exports | The White House

In every corner of the country and the world, people are suffering the devastating toll of climate change. Historic hurricanes and floods wiping out

www.whitehouse.gov

He got to talk about the existential threat of climate change to the environment and bad MAGA republicans. Pretty good day for campaign already.

Industry reaction to what was they knew was coming. https://www.scribd.com/document/701579899/Industry-Groups-LNG-Letter

 

[mcmurtry66]

I'd only say that Biden passed the policies that Trump wanted enacted. Trump was quite pissed that Congress didn't pass the direct payments he wanted. Which didn't occur until 21

You're kind of foolish to think that Trump has different domestic policy differences. He wanted to pump money just the same as Biden. Trump had a normal Trumpian melt down because he wanted another $2k check to everyone and didn't get it.

Now this is speculation but absolutely could be true. Trump loved his name on checks. He might have done the same thing

 

[IUCrazy2]

I heard Smerconish over the weekend who was suggesting we need 4 moderate and independent Senators. If we had 4, both parties would have to beg them for support and the hold the radicals have would be broken. I think that is accurate, so long as neither party has a majority without those 4. If it were 48-48-4, I think things would improve dramatically.

I don't even know how to help the House, maybe abolish it, fumigate, and rebuild it with rules that eliminate seniority. Or just abolish it and move on.

I want candidates who genuinely want to work across the aisle and build coalitions. At one time we had liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. That allowed party members to reach across the aisle to their ideological brethren. Now all we have is warfare, there is no commonality on the other side.

I think this fits here. Speaking for myself, things like this are why I personally don't believe in working across the aisle. I don't want to work with people who do stuff like this. I want them politically destroyed. Jefferson is our commonality. Remove that and more and more that party just becomes an unfortunate neighbor that I loathe.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Wouldn't call this libertarian:

Elon Musk's SpaceX and Tesla get far more government money than NPR

Musk, too, is the beneficiary of public-private partnerships

qz.com

Space X sells services to the government. That is very libertarian compared to the government trying to do it.

You have an argument with Tesla subsidies. But I didn’t mention Tesla.

 

[mcmurtry66]

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I think this fits here. Speaking for myself, things like this are why I personally don't believe in working across the aisle. I don't want to work with people who do stuff like this. I want them politically destroyed. Jefferson is our commonality. Remove that and more and more that party just becomes an unfortunate neighbor that I loathe.

They are a danger to everything that makes this country great. More and more people see it. Fortunately

 

[mcmurtry66]

lol…this is silly. Please expand where you get your information from. I hope you’re doing well.

Biden announcing export ban on additional liquified natural gas for mostly climate change reasons. Europe depends on it and this also means a halt to all LNG dev projects in the US that are underway. Just more uncertainty that will have a negative short-term effect.

Statement from President Joe Biden on Decision to Pause Pending Approvals of Liquefied Natural Gas Exports | The White House

In every corner of the country and the world, people are suffering the devastating toll of climate change. Historic hurricanes and floods wiping out

www.whitehouse.gov

He got to talk about the existential threat of climate change to the environment and bad MAGA republicans. Pretty good day for campaign already.

Industry reaction to what was they knew was coming. https://www.scribd.com/document/701579899/Industry-Groups-LNG-Letter

These people are so wedded to being anti trump they can’t see the forest for the trees. You present them with facts and they simply ignore same. It’s vexing. You can say trump is horrible and unfit and still say Biden was a horrible president as the vast majority recognize

Fortunately even on this board it’s largely just hickory and hickory 2.0.

 

[Willdog7]

There you go again. Nobody is banning books. Choosing what books are suitable, or not suitable, for youngsters is not banning books. You can still obtain the book. You say “book ban” for other reasons because of how it sounds.

It was a typo. But you know that.

GO ON LINE and see which books are being banned, or the sanitize version of slavery. Indiana is one of the leaders.

 

[BradStevens]

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I think this fits here. Speaking for myself, things like this are why I personally don't believe in working across the aisle. I don't want to work with people who do stuff like this. I want them politically destroyed. Jefferson is our commonality. Remove that and more and more that party just becomes an unfortunate neighbor that I loathe.

You still have to cooperate with your neighbor in some way even if you loathe them. Working to get them "politically destroyed" and not working across the aisle on other issues is self-destructive, I think, because you will rarely be successful and the cost isn't worth it. You engender the same reaction from the opposite side, for example.

I get why you feel that way, though. I just think you have to swallow or temper those feelings and do what is best for the country. The left feels the same way about Trump and MAGA and look where that has gotten us.

 

[Bligedy]

Huh? Do you really wanna deny most of anti-trump is based in fear? Just like climate change?

See #20.

I'm not scared of him. I just think he's an ahole.

He's a lazy, know nothing, birdbrain that beat the only person on the planet that was a bigger schmuck than he is. He's stupid. But not scary.

 

[BradStevens]

Space X sells services to the government. That is very libertarian compared to the government trying to do it.

You have an argument with Tesla subsidies. But I didn’t mention Tesla.

Government funding of space exploration is the opposite of a libertarian policy. Space X would never have existed without NASA funding.

The privatization clearly worked to reduce costs. If you want to chalk that up to libertarian notions, I'm OK with that. But Space X as an entity would not exist but for a program and a policy that libertarians despise.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

GO ON LINE and see which books are being banned, or the sanitize version of slavery. Indiana is one of the leaders.

I’ve seen some book descriptions, but probably not as many as you. My impression is the books not included are those books that perpetuate racial atrocities of the past into present day life. They are the ones that focus on blacks being oppressed and whites being oppressors. We can’t make progress by teaching youngsters that.

 

[snarlcakes]

You still have to cooperate with your neighbor in some way even if you loathe them. Working to get them "politically destroyed" and not working across the aisle on other issues is self-destructive, I think, because you will rarely be successful and the cost isn't worth it. You engender the same reaction from the opposite side, for example.

I get why you feel that way, though. I just think you have to swallow or temper those feelings and do what is best for the country. The left feels the same way about Trump and MAGA and look where that has gotten us.

This comes from a place of love Brad. Nope. The current left is worthless saggy tits and needs to be removed from all decision making. They’re irredeemable at this point. Future leftist will be better off. Socialism is a plague on societies that needs to be eradicated.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Government funding of space exploration is the opposite of a libertarian policy. Space X would never have existed without NASA funding.

The privatization clearly worked to reduce costs. If you want to chalk that up to libertarian notions, I'm OK with that. But Space X as an entity would not exist but for a program and a policy that libertarians despise.

Not sure I agree with all of this. While NASA. Is a big Space X customer, it’s not the only one. Space x does really well with Starlink.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I'm not scared of him. I just think he's an ahole.

He's a lazy, know nothing, birdbrain that beat the only person on the planet that was a bigger schmuck than he is. He's stupid. But not scary.

I wish we could pin this post. Spot on

 

[mcmurtry66]

This comes from a place of love Brad. Nope. The current left is worthless saggy tits and needs to be removed from all decision making. They’re irredeemable at this point. Future leftist will be better off. Socialism is a plague on societies that needs to be eradicated.

Their bending backwards to defend Biden is pitiful
Free checks
Free rent
foreclosure stays
Extended unemployment
Tax credits as monthly checks
Business loans you don’t pay back
No student loans
Keep everyone home

Yeah that didn’t impact oh just the cost of everything. It’s only global oil. How Fing stupid.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

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I think this fits here. Speaking for myself, things like this are why I personally don't believe in working across the aisle. I don't want to work with people who do stuff like this. I want them politically destroyed. Jefferson is our commonality. Remove that and more and more that party just becomes an unfortunate neighbor that I loathe.

See, I am not asking the right to reach across to progressives, nor for the left to reach across to MAGA. That isn't going to happen very often. Nor am I asking that on extreme issues from either side.

Look at the immigration reform bill being cobbled together now. That is a place normal liberals and normal conservatives can come together and create something to benefit the nation. Why shouldn't they?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Not sure I agree with all of this. While NASA. Is a big Space X customer, it’s not the only one. Space x does really well with Starlink.

Is the defense industry libertarian? All of them make planes/components for military and civilian. I would think libertarian would be "here company A is a trillion dollars, you fight all our wars and defend us". Wagner Group was close to that.

 

[BradStevens]

This comes from a place of love Brad. Nope. The current left is worthless saggy tits and needs to be removed from all decision making. They’re irredeemable at this point. Future leftist will be better off. Socialism is a plague on societies that needs to be eradicated.

You are never going to "eradicate" it. And calling people "irredeemable" is no better than a right wing version of Hillary's "deplorables."

There is a lot of common ground out there. People need to get out of their silos and have real conversations with people who don't believe what they believe, try to understand where they are coming from, and work towards acceptable compromise.

 

[IUCrazy2]

You still have to cooperate with your neighbor in some way even if you loathe them. Working to get them "politically destroyed" and not working across the aisle on other issues is self-destructive, I think, because you will rarely be successful and the cost isn't worth it. You engender the same reaction from the opposite side, for example.

I get why you feel that way, though. I just think you have to swallow or temper those feelings and do what is best for the country. The left feels the same way about Trump and MAGA and look where that has gotten us.

I don't think left equals Democrat. I think there is far too much left in that party right now though. To me, there is no compromise with that wing of the party.

 

[hoot1]

See, I am not asking the right to reach across to progressives, nor for the left to reach across to MAGA. That isn't going to happen very often. Nor am I asking that on extreme issues from either side.

Look at the immigration reform bill being cobbled together now. That is a place normal liberals and normal conservatives can come together and create something to benefit the nation. Why shouldn't they?

MtM, you ask why shouldn't liberals and conservatives pass a reform bill on immigration.

The answer is...Republicans in Congress will bow to Trump, the apparent leader of the GOP. Trump wants to keep the immigration issue unresolved during 2024 election year, so he can accuse Biden of having a failed immigration policy along with wanting open borders.

The Congressional Dems would do the same thing to help elect Biden. Why resolve an issue by working with the other party if by doing so it eliminates an issue which can help your guy win ?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

MtM, you ask why shouldn't liberals and conservatives pass a reform bill on immigration.

The answer is...Republicans in Congress will bow to Trump, the apparent leader of the GOP. Trump wants to keep the immigration issue unresolved during 2024 election year, so he can accuse Biden of having a failed immigration policy along with wanting open borders.

The Congressional Dems would do the same thing to help elect Biden. Why resolve an issue by working with the other party if by doing so it eliminates an issue which can help your guy win ?

I agree it works both ways, but this is why nothing gets done. The GOP will not have 60 senate seats, and Dems will have no interest in working with Republicans in 2025. So there will be no bill.

We need people who put country before party. But those people are in short supply. Party Uber Alles is our version of Germany Uber Alles

 

[snarlcakes]

You are never going to "eradicate" it. And calling people "irredeemable" is no better than a right wing version of Hillary's "deplorables."

There is a lot of common ground out there. People need to get out of their silos and have real conversations with people who don't believe what they believe, try to understand where they are coming from, and work towards acceptable compromise.

I don’t take issue with the people. It’s the ideology (socialism) that needs to be eradicated. There needs to be a drastic shift to the right.

 

[BradStevens]

I agree it works both ways, but this is why nothing gets done. The GOP will not have 60 senate seats, and Dems will have no interest in working with Republicans in 2025. So there will be no bill.

We need people who put country before party. But those people are in short supply. Party Uber Alles is our version of Germany Uber Alles

The amazing thing to me is that with some of these delays, people will actually be hurt, maybe die, as a result. Yet the voting public doesn't vote these opportunistic clowns out of office. Why? Because they don't know or don't care.

 

[hoot1]

The amazing thing to me is that with some of these delays, people will actually be hurt, maybe die, as a result. Yet the voting public doesn't vote these opportunistic clowns out of office. Why? Because they don't know or don't care.

Is it the "opportunistic clown's" fault, or a body politic which is so divided and angry at the other side that it prefers candidates who go to the extreme left and right.

Then again, the opportunistic clowns fuel the resentment toward the other side.

Guess the clowns and voters are both to blame for the country being divided to such an extent that our democracy is showing serious signs of dysfunction.

 

[BradStevens]

Is it the "opportunistic clown's" fault, or a body politic which is so divided and angry at the other side that it prefers candidates who go to the extreme left and right.

Then again, the opportunistic clowns fuel the resentment toward the other side.

Guess the clowns and voters are both to blame for the country being divided to such an extent that our democracy is showing serious signs of dysfunction.

Both, but I have more moral outrage for the elected representatives who know doing a deal is what is best for the country, but put that on hold in the hopes it will help their side get elected.

 

[BradStevens]

I don’t take issue with the people. It’s the ideology (socialism) that needs to be eradicated. There needs to be drastic shift to the right.

Check out my post in It isn't in schools. Looks like my kid is going to take care of that.

 

[jsig]

Both the Dems and Republicans work together to blackball others from participation pver history. sure you might find an independant like Perot who got to particiapate in debates or whatever.

I view Dem as FOS and in general POS's that don't want to work with anyone who disagrees with them. The current admin weaponizes their power to label anyone against them terrorists so they can have power. They are trying to fear monger about loss of democracy but what is .if you take away freedom and liberty. That is what the Democratic Party is about. Primaries are useless. There are no candidates to vote for because they are all Democrat or Republican.

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[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

GO ON LINE and see which books are being banned, or the sanitize version of slavery. Indiana is one of the leaders.

"sanitize slavery"

Put up or shut up.

Link me to a book being used in any Indiana school that sanitizes slavery. Any book. Any school.

Get me the ISBN number - I can get the book myself. I teach college and my bride teaches elementary.

I'm betting you cannot do this. I'm betting you have never actually seen or read any book used in any Indiana school that "sanitizes slavery". I am betting you are just spewing lies implanted in your on-line head by propagandists.

No news stories - get me the BOOK.

I went to Indiana schools for K-4 and 8-12, plus law school at IU, and I am calling you out to prove this claim.

 

[Willdog7]

I’ve seen some book descriptions, but probably not as many as you. My impression is the books not included are those books that perpetuate racial atrocities of the past into present day life. They are the ones that focus on blacks being oppressed and whites being oppressors. We can’t make progress by teaching youngsters that.

you can not hide your history or the things that were done yet they are bound to be repeated.