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The Music Thread

This is so good, and Bruce's harmonies just take it to a special level. I'm glad he reprised his role from the original on the live version. The first time I watched it it blew me away...

Short story... I went to the FF4 concert in Dallas in 2014, because it was a free show and I thought Dallas + April = tropical. Of course I had to pay for a flight and hotel, so the free show ended up costing me more than driving to a local show would have. And the pouring rain was cold, so instead of spending all day at the festival, I spent the day in my room, debating over how badly I wanted to attend the outdoor show I had flown 900 miles to see...It was actually longer. because I had driven from Indy to Dayton to catch a direct flight and try to save some money...

I had planned to get up early to get a good spot at the front of the stage and plant myself there all day. There were like 3 other groups that were playing prior to Springsteen, and the one other group I really wanted to see was Jack's current band Fun. They had that song "Some Nights" at the time, and I thought it was pretty good. Unfortunately, I couldn't motivate myself to go sit in the pouring rain, and spent the day in my hotel room pretty sure I was going to blow off the show...

Eventually I got in my rental and drove over, because I had come so far and I knew that short of Tornado warnings Bruce/ESB would play. It was the year that WI and pUKe were both in the FF4, and the pUKe fans at the show were obnoxious. I had trouble finding my parked rental afterwards and ran into some WI students who had never seen Bruce before and were blown away. I finally found my car and got back to my room.

Then the next morning my airport shuttle for my flight back to Dayton included (OSU pain in the ass) Aaron Craft and his dad. It was Monday morning prior to the NC game, so either they just came to watch the Semis on Sat, or like me came for the Springsteen show. Or maybe a combo of the two, since they stayed till Mon am...
 
It is getting tough to keep track of the songs, like Goat sorry if duplicate. This is the song I think of for father's day, my dad was an engineer for Penn Central.

Ironic you reference my post, since Steve Goodman wrote that song.

I'll break my own rule (I haven't posted in several days, so I'm owed one), and post my favorite version of that one:

 
How many free posts am I owed for staying away for a few days? The Easter Tapes is one of the greatest albums of all time. Too many people don't realize how awesome Steve Goodman was. He wrote a lot of songs that other people made famous, like "City of New Orleans" or "You Never Even Call Me By My Name." For for an old Parrothead like me, here's one that I really love.

 
How many free posts am I owed for staying away for a few days? The Easter Tapes is one of the greatest albums of all time. Too many people don't realize how awesome Steve Goodman was. He wrote a lot of songs that other people made famous, like "City of New Orleans" or "You Never Even Call Me By My Name." For for an old Parrothead like me, here's one that I really love.

I love JB's cover of this- it's one of so many excellent songs on Changes in Latitudes...

From the early days, I prefer Jimmy's cover of Willis Alan Ramsey's original (which is also very good). Imho, Ballad of Spider John is just such a magical tale...



And another magical song from Living and Dying...

 
The goal is to make the crowd move to the music, mission accomplished ..

Insane crowd ...

 
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I love JB's cover of this- it's one of so many excellent songs on Changes in Latitudes...

From the early days, I prefer Jimmy's cover of Willis Alan Ramsey's original (which is also very good). Imho, Ballad of Spider John is just such a magical tale...



And another magical song from Living and Dying...

That was a great album. My family became parrotheads in the mid-80s. I think either Floridays or Hot Water was the first album we bought when it was new. But I had this collection of long play cassettes that each combined two albums, one on each side. I'd listen to Living and Dying and White Sport Coat over and over.
 
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Fun riff. Great rhythm section. And then Mustaine ruins it by speaking.
he wrote it, he arranged it, he created it and if most great vocalists weren't complete d**kheads..... then every band would have one. You have to put up with gods gift .. and they are known to blackmail you with their gift .. '

Ever wonder why so many poor singers lead great bands? Or why great singers are generally solo acts? There's always exceptions of course but I've never met one. 10 times worse if they're also a songwriter. Females don't fit that archetype generally.

This is what you get for posting that ... lol .

Great tune.
 
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he wrote it, he arranged it, he created it and if most great vocalists weren't complete d**kheads..... then every band would have one. You have to put up with gods gift .. and they are known to blackmail you with their gift .. '

Ever wonder why so many poor singers lead great bands? Or why great singers are generally solo acts? There's always exceptions of course but I've never met one. 10 times worse if they're also a songwriter. Females don't fit that archetype generally.

This is what you get for posting that ... lol .

Great tune.
The problem with Dave Mustaine isn't his crappy singing. It's his crappy lyrics and awful melodies. As you note, there are plenty of lead singers who aren't great vocalists. Mustaine is one of those, but he's also a terrible lyricist and awful at melodies.

And you should burn in the pitfires of hell for all eternity for comparing Mustaine to Tom Waits. That's like comparing the team that wrote the Go Diego Go live stage show to Shakespeare.🤣
 
The problem with Dave Mustaine isn't his crappy singing. It's his crappy lyrics and awful melodies. As you note, there are plenty of lead singers who aren't great vocalists. Mustaine is one of those, but he's also a terrible lyricist and awful at melodies.

And you should burn in the pitfires of hell for all eternity for comparing Mustaine to Tom Waits. That's like comparing the team that wrote the Go Diego Go live stage show to Shakespeare.🤣
Ever listen to Phish? lmao ...

Lyrics don't matter to me. They're just another note in the song or the main melody. Melody is last in my ear. the lyrics unless exceptional are basically ignored especially in that form of music.

Generally girls pay the most attention to lyrics while men tend to put the music primary.. They also tend to write in the same manner. Feminine is fitting music to word, while masculine is fitting words to music. Not saying you're woman (lol) or anything. just saying.

I don't disagree with you at all, he sucks lyrically. I just don't care that much.

If I want great lyrics I pick up some Townes, or Dylan, or Simon ... if I want a riff, that rocks, played by a great rhythm section, that's arranged and played well enough to make thousands dance, I'm going with Mustaine, unless I choose something else.

You just want to hate on dave, that's cool, let it out, He deserves every bit of it.

I don't listen to blues, funk, punk, or metal, for lyrics ... that would just be silly.
 
Ever listen to Phish? lmao ...

Lyrics don't matter to me. They're just another note in the song or the main melody. Melody is last in my ear. the lyrics unless exceptional are basically ignored especially in that form of music.

Generally girls pay the most attention to lyrics while men tend to put the music primary.. They also tend to write in the same manner. Feminine is fitting music to word, while masculine is fitting words to music. Not saying you're woman (lol) or anything. just saying.

I don't disagree with you at all, he sucks lyrically. I just don't care that much.

If I want great lyrics I pick up some Townes, or Dylan, or Simon ... if I want a riff, that rocks, played by a great rhythm section, that's arranged and played well enough to make thousands dance, I'm going with Mustaine, unless I choose something else.

You just want to hate on dave, that's cool, let it out, He deserves every bit of it.

I don't listen to blues, funk, punk, or metal, for lyrics ... that would just be silly.

I like lyrics, probably why Dylan and Simon are some of my favorite. But I love music, I have posted two instrumental pieces. I don't like bad lyrics. Why squeeze in bad lyrics? Do an instrumental. If you want the voice, scat jazz uses the voice as an instrument, follow it's lead. A great one at that was Robert Plant, Whole Lotta Love is a whole lotta Robert Plant moaning. I love the song, just saying there was no need to replace his moaning with stupid words.

There are some rock instrumentals, Jessica being one I really like. But for some reason it never really caught on.
 
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I like lyrics, probably why Dylan and Simon are some of my favorite. But I love music, I have posted two instrumental pieces. I don't like bad lyrics. Why squeeze in bad lyrics? Do an instrumental. If you want the voice, scat jazz uses the voice as an instrument, follow it's lead. A great one at that was Robert Plant, Whole Lotta Love is a whole lotta Robert Plant moaning. I love the song, just saying there was no need to replace his moaning with stupid words.

There are some rock instrumentals, Jessica being one I really like. But for some reason it never really caught on.
Simon is witty.

There's different ways to write, some styles only require repeated hooks and nothing else they can be done anyway they want. think of funk ... its chanting more than anything else and what they chant doesn't really matter, how they chant it does. and I guarantee there a 99% chance it includes the word funk. to me it's nuthin but a bass drum beat played vocally .

fwiw - Dylan has a formula he uses. Oddly, unlike most, who either write a rhythm first, or start with a riff and build on it, or start with a rhyme and place it in a chord structure. Dylan starts with a vocal melody first, humming it, then sings gibberish paying attention - like a rapper - to how syllables fit the beat. During and after this process he picks a theme for lyrics.

Lyrically, he writes by picking a theme, pick some names to fit the theme, find a profound phrase and turn it backwards or upside down. < His words, paraphrased.

"I was so much older then I'm younger than that now". Then he places chords over the melody as a backing, emphasizing the harmonic elements using chord partials.

Simon, because he felt he was rhythm disabled when writing began writing exclusively with bass or drums tracks.
 
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Simon is witty.

There's different ways to write, some styles only require repeated hooks and nothing else they can be done anyway they want. think of funk ... its chanting more than anything else and what they chant doesn't really matter, how they chant it does. and I guarantee there a 99% chance it includes the word funk. to me it's nuthin but a bass drum beat played vocally .

fwiw - Dylan has a formula he uses. Oddly, unlike most, who either write a rhythm first, or start with a riff and build on it, or start with a rhyme and place it in a chord structure. Dylan starts with a vocal melody first, humming it, then sings gibberish paying attention - like a rapper - to how syllables fit the beat. During and after this process he picks a theme for lyrics.

Lyrically, he writes by picking a theme, pick some names to fit the theme, find a profound phrase and turn it backwards or upside down. < His words, paraphrased.

"I was so much older then I'm younger than that now". Then he places chords over the melody as a backing, emphasizing the harmonic elements using chord partials.

Simon, because he felt he was rhythm disabled when writing began writing exclusively with bass or drums tracks.
Back in 7th grade, circa 1973, we studied poetry. The teacher was one of the cool teachers and used lyrics. We read Simon, Dylan, Denver (his favorite), and others. We also read some of the classics, but mostly it was folk or folk-rock. I think from that I learned to appreciate music as poetry. And most of my favorite musicians are more folk based. Not that I don't appreciate other types, like I said I think Jessica is great. But putting poetry to music is the way to get that extra credit for me.
 
Ever listen to Phish? lmao ...

Lyrics don't matter to me. They're just another note in the song or the main melody. Melody is last in my ear. the lyrics unless exceptional are basically ignored especially in that form of music.

Generally girls pay the most attention to lyrics while men tend to put the music primary.. They also tend to write in the same manner. Feminine is fitting music to word, while masculine is fitting words to music. Not saying you're woman (lol) or anything. just saying.

I don't disagree with you at all, he sucks lyrically. I just don't care that much.

If I want great lyrics I pick up some Townes, or Dylan, or Simon ... if I want a riff, that rocks, played by a great rhythm section, that's arranged and played well enough to make thousands dance, I'm going with Mustaine, unless I choose something else.

You just want to hate on dave, that's cool, let it out, He deserves every bit of it.

I don't listen to blues, funk, punk, or metal, for lyrics ... that would just be silly.
I don't want to hate on Dave. I'm just saying what he does well and what he doesn't do well. And lyrics and melody aren't what he does well. You don't value those elements apparently. I do. I value all parts of a musical composition. If you're going to include something in a song, it makes sense to try to make it good. Putting a crappy fiddle part in a song makes a song worse. Putting a bad lyric or crappy melody in a song likewise makes it worse.

Adding great lyrics and melodies elevates a song and that's true in punk, funk, metal, or blues just as it is in folk, rap, or any other genre. Sometimes songs are able to transcend some crappy elements (same goes for movies or any other art form). You think Symphony of Destruction transcends the bad lyrics and melody. I don't. I think there are better Megadeath songs. Que sera and all.
 
Does anyone use Internet Radio. I have the following 3 stations loaded as top favorites on my receiver and also h loaded up on some apps to stream in the vehicle. No Commercials is nice. I used to have a really good psychedelic station that played lots of stuff from late 60's and early 70's but it has disappeared so it is now deleted.

ATX The Radio show
Radio Brooklin
MILED - classic rock
Austin Blues Radio

Anyone have favorite Internet stations that would be worth trying. I pretty much like all rock but tend to lean classic rock and blues.

Jackie Venson is really high on my list of next shows to go see. Since she is local to austin it shouldn't be easy to get out to see her. Maybe I'll be lucky and get to see her open up for Gary clark Jr. who I saw at the Moody Theater when he had his Austin city Limits show recorded for PBS.

Anybody listened to the Frampton Fingerprints LP/CD or whatever they call them these days. The Black Hole sun cover version on that album is really good. I saw him at the Moody theater and immediately bought Fingerprints after hearing Black hole Sun.
 
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