The Music Thread

[T.M.P.]

A song so Irish that it and the singer was adopted by the Irish. Modernized and not fully Irish folk, except the melodic break which is purely Irish. The melody on the break is very similar in construction to the melody Jerry plays above.

It's been overplayed ... and then Ed f**ing Sheeran or whatever his name is recorded it. *eyeroll*

 

[stollcpa]

Gonna break goat's rule about no politics. Apologies in advance..

There's more to life than politics and most of it is far more enjoyable and interesting.

Outside entities, malignant opportunists, and foreign enemies, are pushing the divide between us for their own gain and purpose and to the detriment of our society. No matter which side we are on, we are both losing, mostly due to our own actions.

We should probably stop letting them and realize the real enemy is greed.

The core of the problem is economic. The real enemy is the greed of the corporate sector. As CEO and exec compensation continues rising the unskilled uneducated grunt lost value and can barely make a living.

I worked in manufacturing as a supervisor, process and material engineer, and finally as a sales engineer. I watched all of it unfold. As a process engineer I helped remove people from their jobs in the name of efficiency. Makes me sick. The layoffs, the drop in pay, the loss of benefits followed. I watched the blue shorts sell their boats, and their trucks, and their houses, followed by too many divorces and then watched as they got new jobs at half the pay. Year after year.

When the Bobs were finished with them they hit the white shirts next. Reduced staff, reduced benefits, more work.... all under the guise of "efficiency and cost savings that will be passed on the the employees and customers"... it was all bullshit.

Our side blames yours, your sides blames ours. It's f**king stupid. Pay people enough to afford a living, and have some money for enjoyment and much of the disgruntlement goes away. Happy people are much harder to radicalize.

Understand. Keep the music and comment coming. Great thread started by Goat. I am listening to music and enjoying some that I’ve never listened to my entire life. Sending links to friends. They think I’ve gone mad with some of them. 😂

 

[bawlmer]

All this Irish music...

 

[GetFreshCrew]

Some folk music ...

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This is the joint….

 

[GetFreshCrew]

This is the joint….

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DWYCK…. Gangstarr. Ooh la la ah oui oui!

 

[GetFreshCrew]

DWYCK…. Gangstarr. Ooh la la ah oui oui!

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KRS-One rock on…
In rap tournaments, I reign permanent
Don't you think by now the number one spot I'm not concerned with it
The course of rap I'm turnin' it
Back to that good old fashioned way of getting cash money by earning it
No bogus hocus pocus, I bring back to focus
Skills if you notice my position is lotus
Now quote this, mc's are just hopeless
Thinkin' record sales make them the dopest

 

[Morrison]

 

[IUclover]

This is the joint….

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This is my joint.

 

[T.M.P.]

KRS-One rock on…
In rap tournaments, I reign permanent
Don't you think by now the number one spot I'm not concerned with it
The course of rap I'm turnin' it
Back to that good old fashioned way of getting cash money by earning it
No bogus hocus pocus, I bring back to focus
Skills if you notice my position is lotus
Now quote this, mc's are just hopeless
Thinkin' record sales make them the dopest

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You and UTFO (and others not on the board, friends and family) helped me out when I was searching for rap and funk acts to listen to. I think you recommended de la soul as something I would like, not bad but wasn't hard enough, at the end I landed on Wu Tang, Mos Def, and Pac ....

It's the only music I can listen to without trying to understand how it's being played, or what is being played I can just listen and enjoy.

 

[TMFT]

If you need a good cry

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

 

[T.M.P.]

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His style is so unique .. some hate it but he has a weird (maybe even genius) sense of time that's very hard to cop.

Oh it's you .... lol. good song Monkey

 

[GetFreshCrew]

You and UTFO (and others not on the board, friends and family) helped me out when I was searching for rap and funk acts to listen to. I think you recommended de la soul as something I would like, not bad but wasn't hard enough, at the end I landed on Wu Tang, Mos Def, and Pac ....

It's the only music I can listen to without trying to understand how it's being played, or what is being played I can just listen and enjoy.

UTFO is the funkmaster.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Gotta be honest, I checked out the Avett Brothers after TMP linked them on page one. They are REALLY good. Maybe music really can bridge the divide.

 

[indy1203]

 

[T.M.P.]

UTFO is the funkmaster.

Yes, yes he is ..

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

UTFO is the funkmaster.

Funk roots

 

[T.M.P.]

Gotta be honest, I checked out the Avett Brothers after TMP linked them on page one. They are REALLY good. Maybe music really can bridge the divide.

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For what it's worth the Avett song I posted was written by Blaze Foley, check him out too if you never have. Texas royalty... same vein as Townes.

Here's the original ..



Right now I'm listening to a lot of Moreland.. Arkansas guy, lot of Townes and brown dirt influence. He kicks ass .. wonderful writer. Like Townes really sad songs ... I've seen him make bikers cry . lol. Don't make fun of his weight, listen to his song.







For more Texas stuff .. a few years back these guys put out a damn good first record then ran out of steam. Their song catalog is an encyclopedia of country and rock hooks.

Love this tune ..

 

[T.M.P.]

Funk roots

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You need to stop, Monkey. That's the funk, not the damn root of funk..

The root of funk is gospel, soul, huge dose of jazz, blues and a bit of Jimi Hendrix. Black music ..

fwiw - just like rap, proto forms of funk were found as early as the 1900's. The seed and the tap roots grew in new orleans as the same time as jazz and blues. But modern in funk, the fibrous roots are listed above.

*eyeroll*

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Nappy Roots

 

[cosmickid]

Yes, yes he is ..

Anybody else old enough with Hoosier roots to remember Bill Wilson? I think he was an Indy native, or at least Indy radio promoted him as a local legend. It was 1973 and I can't remember if the prevalent FM station was WNAP or someone else, but Bill Wilson was the rage. I remember I bought this at Karma in Broad Ripple, which was where I got most of my bootlegs as well...



And another mid west/central Indiana favorite at that time was Mason Proffit... Music of social conscious regarding Native Americans. Pre Michael Murphy's Geronimo's Cadillac...

 

[tooold4]

 

[TMFT]

Gotta be honest, I checked out the Avett Brothers after TMP linked them on page one. They are REALLY good. Maybe music really can bridge the divide.

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Old Avett Bros is the best. “Ballad of love and hate,” “the curve,” and “shame” are all good.

 

[iuwclurker]

 

[T.M.P.]

Old time Appalachian traditional, most likely based on an Irish melody.

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More Steve Earle, very similar to the Irish melody in the above quoted. Civil war nerds should like this.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I know the song was well before, but I loved WKRP and this song just fits Johnny Fever. Also the line "But you can travel on ten thousand miles and still stay where you are" is a great truism.

 

[T.M.P.]

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That is such a good song for old time players. All players of old time songs can tell you the history of a song, it's just part of playing that style. It's a thing ..

Just like all bluegrass players are competitive and want to see how fast they can play .. "all" is hyperbole. Some of them though do think music is a competitive sport because they want to play in contests .. that's breaking the bard's code. vbg

Anyways, when that song came out it was so well received because it sounded like a song written in the 1860s'. For anyone who didn't know the origin - watched the doc - would ask what is that?

I absolutely love that tune and slow fiddle tunes in general. It just has a great tone.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

For Father’s Day

 

[Cortez88]

My 90s rap favorite is Public Enemy. Chuck D has killer flow.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Sunday roots

 

[GetFreshCrew]

This

Yes, yes he is ..

This is the funk…. Love the LL Cool J sample on this one.

 

[GetFreshCrew]

You need to stop, Monkey. That's the funk, not the damn root of funk..

The root of funk is gospel, soul, huge dose of jazz, blues and a bit of Jimi Hendrix. Black music ..

fwiw - just like rap, proto forms of funk were found as early as the 1900's. The seed and the tap roots grew in new orleans as the same time as jazz and blues. But modern in funk, the fibrous roots are listed above.

*eyeroll*

EVERYTHING is on the one…

 

[stollcpa]

Mountain Gospel Twang

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Kind of church music I was raised on. Except no instruments were allowed in church. I don’t remember the exact time frame but probably mid 70s a piano was allowed. Current day the Mennonite Church I was raised in rocks it on Sunday mornings. Lol.

 

[cosmickid]

For Father’s Day

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Can't think of an artist whose work has been more influenced by his relationship with his father than Springsteen. He tells the story of talking with his dad shortly before he died, and asking his dad which songs he liked best and his dad saying "the ones about me"...

Technically The River is about his sister and his brother in law, but this version includes a classic story about him and his dad and their rocky, but loving relationship...



And speaking of The River, another of my favorites from that album is Independence Day, which explores the same themes of Father/Son independence that Cat Stevens wrote about in Father and Son.

 

[T.M.P.]

Roots ... are damn good .

 

[i'vegotwinners]

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Anybody else old enough with Hoosier roots to remember Bill Wilson? I think he was an Indy native, or at least Indy radio promoted him as a local legend. It was 1973 and I can't remember if the prevalent FM station was WNAP or someone else, but Bill Wilson was the rage. I remember I bought this at Karma in Broad Ripple, which was where I got most of my bootlegs as well...

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And another mid west/central Indiana favorite at that time was Mason Proffit... Music of social conscious regarding Native Americans. Pre Michael Murphy's Geronimo's Cadillac...

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Bill Wilson, who died young, long claimed he wrote/co wrote much of Sultans of Swing.

an interesting discussion on the subject in the You Tube comments on Wilson doing SOS on You Tube.

Knophler has never acknowledged this, and tells a different tale.

i saw Dire Straits in concert twice.

the 2nd time, they had the usual half acre stage set up, but right before doing Sultans, the crew quickly brought out a maybe 4 piece drum kit which was set up front and center of the stage.

Knophler, the rhythm guitar, bass, stood right next to the drummer, and they did Sultans as if confined to an 8 x 8 bedroom they all could barely fit in together.

it was great, and gave a totally different vibe than the normal half acre stage set up.

they only did it for 1 song, but i wish they'd done the whole concert that way.


when MTV first hit Btown cable, they were doing a 1 hr concert show every fri or sat night.

this particular Dire Straits concert was one of the ones they did early on on MTV, (yes, tape was rolling on my new beta vcr), and is the version on their Alchemy live double album.

a little bigger production and slightly better fidelity than the version MTIOTF posted imo, and with one of my favorite drummers who was a DS mainstay for a long time.

the Cliff Notes version guitar solo starts around the 6:50 mark.

 

[T.M.P.]

Bill Wilson, who died young, long claimed he wrote/co wrote much of Sultans of Swing.

an interesting discussion on the subject in the You Tube comments on Wilson doing SOS on You Tube.

Knophler has never acknowledged this, and tells a different tale.

i saw Dire Straits in concert twice.

the 2nd time, they had the usual half acre stage set up, but right before doing Sultans, the crew quickly brought out a maybe 4 piece drum kit which was set up front and center of the stage.

Knophler, the rhythm guitar, bass, stood right next to the drummer, and they did Sultans as if confined to an 8 x 8 bedroom they all could barely fit it together.

it was great, and gave a totally different vibe than the normal half acre stage set up.

they only did it for 1 song, but i wish they'd done the whole concert that way.


when MTV first hit Btown cable, they were doing a 1 hr concert show every fri or sat night.

this particular Dire Straits concert was one of the ones they did early on on MTV, (yes, my new beta vcr was rolling), and is the version on their Alchemy live double album.

a little bigger production and slightly better fidelity than the version MTIOTF posted imo, and with one of my favorite drummers who was a DS mainstay for a long time.

the Cliff Notes version guitar solo starts around the 6:50 mark.

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repeat ......

 

[Hank Reardon]

Have we seen any Pretenders yet? Listened to a lot of them in my youth...

 

[cosmickid]

Bill Wilson, who died young, long claimed he wrote/co wrote much of Sultans of Swing.

an interesting discussion on the subject in the You Tube comments on Wilson doing SOS on You Tube.

Knophler has never acknowledged this, and tells a different tale.

i saw Dire Straits in concert twice.

the 2nd time, they had the usual half acre stage set up, but right before doing Sultans, the crew quickly brought out a maybe 4 piece drum kit which was set up front and center of the stage.

Knophler, the rhythm guitar, bass, stood right next to the drummer, and they did Sultans as if confined to an 8 x 8 bedroom they all could barely fit it together.

it was great, and gave a totally different vibe than the normal half acre stage set up.

they only did it for 1 song, but i wish they'd done the whole concert that way.


when MTV first hit Btown cable, they were doing a 1 hr concert show every fri or sat night.

this particular Dire Straits concert was one of the ones they did early on on MTV, (yes, my new beta vcr was rolling), and is the version on their Alchemy live double album.

a little bigger production and slightly better fidelity than the version MTIOTF posted imo, and with one of my favorite drummers who was a DS mainstay for a long time.

the Cliff Notes version guitar solo starts around the 6:50 mark.

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I had never heard this before, and thought that since it's a pretty common name it was a different "Bill Wilson". But I googled, and found a post on the Dire Straits blog, which included this link to BW performing Sultans in 1991.


Here's the blog entry...

https://direstraitsblog.com/blog/bill-wilsons-1991-acoustic-live-performance-of-sultans-of-swing/

While reading this it struck me as a similar scenario to Springsteen/Patti Smith regarding Because the Night. The obvious difference is that both Bruce and Patti have acknowledged each other's contributions, and have performed it together multiple times.

The key to me is that even though they both wrote differing verses, Bruce had the melody and chorus written before he ever allowed Iovine to give BTN to Patti for her Easter album. So even though Bruce only had parts of a verse, the structure of the song would never have existed in it's final form if not for what Bruce had already composed.

Patti turned it into a love song for her husband Fred and had a huge hit, but without Bruce's melody we don't know how those lyrics might have sounded. So even if BW did pen the lyrics to Sultans, he never would have created the exact same song left to his own devices...

 

[cosmickid]

I had never heard this before, and thought that since it's a pretty common name it was a different "Bill Wilson". But I googled, and found a post on the Dire Straits blog, which included this link to BW performing Sultans in 1991.

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Here's the blog entry...

https://direstraitsblog.com/blog/bill-wilsons-1991-acoustic-live-performance-of-sultans-of-swing/

While reading this it struck me as a similar scenario to Springsteen/Patti Smith regarding Because the Night. The obvious difference is that both Bruce and Patti have acknowledged each other's contributions, and have performed it together multiple times.

The key to me is that even though they both wrote differing verses, Bruce had the melody and chorus written before he ever allowed Iovine to give BTN to Patti for her Easter album. So even though Bruce only had parts of a verse, the structure of the song would never have existed in it's final form if not for what Bruce had already composed.

Patti turned it into a love song for her husband Fred and had a huge hit, but without Bruce's melody we don't know how those lyrics might have sounded. So even if BW did pen the lyrics to Sultans, he never would have created the exact same song left to his own devices...

Since it's Fathers Day I'm going to tramp all over the rules, because this story strikes me as especially memorable...

I wasn't a huge Jim Croce fan, although I did road trip with a group of buddies from Indy to Detroit in high school to see him open for Loggins and Messina at Pine Knob. Google says that was Aug 12, 1973, and that was roughly a month or so prior to his fatal plane crash...

Which brings me to the reason for the post, the CBS Sunday Morning story on his son (who is now 50) performing and carrying on his legacy. This is a real overcoming tragedy tale. His son was 2 yrs old when he was killed, and it caused a huge shift in their financial situation. On top of that, the man his ex-wife took up with beat the boy so badly that he went blind He also lost his own wife to heart disease and his home to a fire.

He has been able to regain some of his sight and doesn't seem bitter. It just showed up in my you tube feed and I thought I'd share...