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How do you teach your child about love? (Long, DFW-style)

Hoopsdoc1978 said:
I try to go the extra mile sometimes. My wife told me 3 weeks ago she’s really been craving a good steak but that she knew we couldn’t afford what she wanted.

I’ve been trying to save up money since then and tonight I asked her if she wanted to go out Saturday night to the restaurant of her choice.

She was delighted and she’s been trying to decide where she wants to go ever since.

Making her happy like that is what makes me happy.

And she’ll return the favor. She always does.

I think that type of effort and intuition about your partner is necessary if you want a really solid, lasting relationship.
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I personally do the opposite of this dumbass 👇



Unfortunately, I get yelled out for owning more Bitcoin, which brings me to my overall point @BradStevens b#tches are crazy. There is no such thing as love, only pain 🥸
 
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larsIU said:
This sounds awful, but I told my daughter she should enjoy s*x and romance and that her partner should be willing to provide this without prompting.

We advised her that love should feel natural and that she should "know" her partner feels similary. She shouldn't have to hunt it down from them. And taht communication is the true essence of romance and love in general.
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I’m going to be awful at this. Opposite direction for myself. I’m telling my daughter if you have sex before marriage you’ll probably get AIDs. When she googles it and tells me I’m wrong, I’ll tell her the truth then. No dude likes a hoe longer than a nut, honey. Now wait until you’re married.
 
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BradStevens said:
Maybe I have an abnormal peer group, but the state of my marriage isn't that different from those I know. I'm just open and honest about it, which is easy to do on an anonymous message board. But I'm not looking for advice or sympathy there.

I was looking for discussions about how to pass on knowledge from parent to child about romantic love, what to look out for, what to focus on with boyfriends and girlfriends, attitudes towards lifetime partnership, etc. It seems people (men?) are uncomfortable with the topic, or maybe recognize the same failures on their own part to not really talk about these things with their kids. That's the norm in our culture, I'd bet. Maybe we don't think we have anything meaningful to impart; maybe we're just too embarrassed to talk about it.

Weird, though, that no one has attempted an actual response other than CoHoosier. I'd guess that if I had asked a question like "How are you or did you teach your kids about money, investing, career, etc." we'd get plenty of posts, and some of them very detailed, or at least a lot of responses about what should be told. But when it comes to something most of us consider vastly more important, we are silent (me, too, obviously). I'm curious about that. Wonder if women have different ideas on this. And if we are outsourcing these important discussions about love to the mothers, are our kids getting a full picture?
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And CO is correct. Modeling is the best chance to teach your children about relationships.

Everyone should study attachment theory. Understanding the "why" is an important part of avoiding pitfalls. Attraction and healthy are often negatively correlated.
 
mcmurtry66 said:
Probably telling. My “look. This thing ain’t gonna suck itself” probably wasn’t the romance she was looking for
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Try-"Hey, cutie, do you know the difference between a garbanzo bean and a chickpea?... I wouldn't let a garbanzo bean on my face."

Literally has never failed.

Edit: Now that I think about it, that line is probably why I now know so much about attachment theory. Full circle in two posts, Brad.
 
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BradStevens said:
After listening (1) to this song that popped into my head,

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the glorious Spotify algorithm played this one next

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One is about true love, the other about death. But this line in Avett Brothers hits me hard:

Will I join with the ocean blue?
Or run into a savior true?
And shake hands laughing
And walk through the night, straight to the light
Holding the love I've known in my life
And no hard feelings

Are death and love interwined in some way? (2) I don't know. But the emotions generated by songs about them move me, maybe not in the same way, but here I find them linked--maybe by the Beauty (capitalized for a reason) of the song. I'm moved every time I hear it (and the music video I find just as powerful).

To the point of the post title, though, both songs made me think about how to teach my children about love. I have failed as a parent in this area, and it's probably too late: daughter is nearly 17 and son is 14. Like most things, I suspect this must be inculcated at a young age, and that depresses me to no end because I'm sure my marriage is not a loving one and that is the model they have witnessed and lived in for their entire lives.

But the Avett Brothers line reminded me, love takes many forms. Romantic love with a partner isn't everything--even if at times in my life I thought it was the most important thing there is, which the first song always exemplified for me. At this stage, in fact, I can imagine no greater love than a parent for their child. (3)

So there are many forms of love. Many types that my children hopefully will experience, but that it might be helpful to have some tips on, advice for things to avoid or to look out for, to navigate around or to push right through. (4) Here, I've had a lot of experience and feel as if I could provide some rough guidance. I'm starting to imagine ways to talk to my kids about this. Part of me wishes I could just mainline these two songs into my kids' (and my wife's) psyche, just feed them the emotions I feel when I listen to them, have them experience the same, and just know--both that part of me that feels these things and what I think the songs' meanings are. Language, after all, has its limits.

Obviously, even thinking about how or whether to communicate these things feels awkward--for them and me. Weirder still, as I imagine it, I'm sure my wife might have a vastly different perspective. And I have no example to refer to: like most here, I'm a solid Midwesterner whose parents would never have even thought about talking about this (or like this) with me.

So some questions for discussion, for a sampling of perspectives from different people, and maybe for me and others to learn from:

For parents of adult children, did you do this with your children? How do you think about these issues? Do you think your kids have similar views on love--romantic or otherwise--as you do? Do you want them to? Does that make you feel a certain way?

For the parents with young children, same questions and an additional one: is this something you've thought about or do? If so, how?

For everyone, what do you think is the best way to go about this?


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Footnotes (I put these in to improve the flow above and for some reason don't want to delete the content. Ignore if you wish):

(1) For a multimedia experience, feel free to read this while listening or listen first to set the mood.

(2) This is an interesting article, but I'm not sure I agree with it. https://emergencemagazine.org/essay/on-death-and-love/

(3) This might not be universal, I think. Some people might not experience this in the same way given a bad hand being dealt, like a severely troubled child from a young age. I was making small talk with a lawyer I was networking with last year, and brought up my kids and asked if he had any. He told me the story of adopting, along with his partner (gay couple) two children from Russia and their severe mental and developmental issues discovered later. He was clearly torn by the experience and I think about him to this day. For a pretty powerful single episode of TV about this, check out Episode 7 of the Romanoffs, the Amazon series Matthew Weiner did after Mad Men.

(4) There are downsides to love: https://www.psypost.org/loves-downside-research-identifies-major-disadvantages-of-romantic-partnerships/#:~:text=The most significant factors included,critical disadvantages compared to men.
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YOU show them first off with loving parents.
 
BradStevens said:
So lars, really basic question: how did you broach that subject with your daughter? Was it planned? Did you know what you were going to say going into it? How did she react--embarrassed, disengaged, interested?

I think it's awesome that you talked that way with her and were open and honest. Not awful at all.

Re menopause, buy her one of these:

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You teach your daughters how a man is supposed to behave, keyword a man.
 
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BradStevens said:
After listening (1) to this song that popped into my head,

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the glorious Spotify algorithm played this one next

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One is about true love, the other about death. But this line in Avett Brothers hits me hard:

Will I join with the ocean blue?
Or run into a savior true?
And shake hands laughing
And walk through the night, straight to the light
Holding the love I've known in my life
And no hard feelings

Are death and love interwined in some way? (2) I don't know. But the emotions generated by songs about them move me, maybe not in the same way, but here I find them linked--maybe by the Beauty (capitalized for a reason) of the song. I'm moved every time I hear it (and the music video I find just as powerful).

To the point of the post title, though, both songs made me think about how to teach my children about love. I have failed as a parent in this area, and it's probably too late: daughter is nearly 17 and son is 14. Like most things, I suspect this must be inculcated at a young age, and that depresses me to no end because I'm sure my marriage is not a loving one and that is the model they have witnessed and lived in for their entire lives.

But the Avett Brothers line reminded me, love takes many forms. Romantic love with a partner isn't everything--even if at times in my life I thought it was the most important thing there is, which the first song always exemplified for me. At this stage, in fact, I can imagine no greater love than a parent for their child. (3)

So there are many forms of love. Many types that my children hopefully will experience, but that it might be helpful to have some tips on, advice for things to avoid or to look out for, to navigate around or to push right through. (4) Here, I've had a lot of experience and feel as if I could provide some rough guidance. I'm starting to imagine ways to talk to my kids about this. Part of me wishes I could just mainline these two songs into my kids' (and my wife's) psyche, just feed them the emotions I feel when I listen to them, have them experience the same, and just know--both that part of me that feels these things and what I think the songs' meanings are. Language, after all, has its limits.

Obviously, even thinking about how or whether to communicate these things feels awkward--for them and me. Weirder still, as I imagine it, I'm sure my wife might have a vastly different perspective. And I have no example to refer to: like most here, I'm a solid Midwesterner whose parents would never have even thought about talking about this (or like this) with me.

So some questions for discussion, for a sampling of perspectives from different people, and maybe for me and others to learn from:

For parents of adult children, did you do this with your children? How do you think about these issues? Do you think your kids have similar views on love--romantic or otherwise--as you do? Do you want them to? Does that make you feel a certain way?

For the parents with young children, same questions and an additional one: is this something you've thought about or do? If so, how?

For everyone, what do you think is the best way to go about this?


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Footnotes (I put these in to improve the flow above and for some reason don't want to delete the content. Ignore if you wish):

(1) For a multimedia experience, feel free to read this while listening or listen first to set the mood.

(2) This is an interesting article, but I'm not sure I agree with it. https://emergencemagazine.org/essay/on-death-and-love/

(3) This might not be universal, I think. Some people might not experience this in the same way given a bad hand being dealt, like a severely troubled child from a young age. I was making small talk with a lawyer I was networking with last year, and brought up my kids and asked if he had any. He told me the story of adopting, along with his partner (gay couple) two children from Russia and their severe mental and developmental issues discovered later. He was clearly torn by the experience and I think about him to this day. For a pretty powerful single episode of TV about this, check out Episode 7 of the Romanoffs, the Amazon series Matthew Weiner did after Mad Men.

(4) There are downsides to love: https://www.psypost.org/loves-downside-research-identifies-major-disadvantages-of-romantic-partnerships/#:~:text=The most significant factors included,critical disadvantages compared to men.
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The Five Love Languages by Dr. Gary Chapman (Moody Bible Institute Grad btw) is a book I use for pre marital counseling. Dr. Chapman hits it out of the park. The general principle is that we all experience love differently. So the key to a healthy marriage is finding the love language of your spouse and then loving them in this way. For instance my wife shows her love by doing acts of service. So one of the things I do is I make her tea for her. I don't drink it. She does. But I make it for her. My oldest grandson asked me what I was doing and I told him that I am making Grandma's tea. He asked me why I made it because he doesn't see me drink it. I said, "because I love her". So he is getting the idea by just seeing it on display.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
A few thoughts:

Don’t overthink it

Show the kids how much you love and respect their mother

Say “I love you”

The rest will take care of itself.
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My cousin is a priest. At a mass celebrating his parents’ 50th wedding anniversary his homily touched on many things about their marriage & his upbringing but the thing that really got me was him saying that he never saw his dad disrespect his mom. I could feel my face redden with shame, as I have not always taken care to lead by example(snide remarks, making my irritation & annoyances obvious, etc). My parents were terrific at this as well though, so the sample doesn’t always get picked up on. I have tried to focus a lot on getting my son comfortable speaking openly about ANYTHING, as I feel like that is the biggest key to a successful relationship. That was not how it was for me growing up, & causes most of the issues in my marriage today. If we could only clear the air about more, it would eliminate the resentments & grudges that can build up over time…
 
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VanPastorMan said:
The Five Love Languages by Dr. Gary Chapman (Moody Bible Institute Grad btw) is a book I use for pre marital counseling. Dr. Chapman hits it out of the park. The general principle is that we all experience love differently. So the key to a healthy marriage is finding the love language of your spouse and then loving them in this way. For instance my wife shows her love by doing acts of service. So one of the things I do is I make her tea for her. I don't drink it. She does. But I make it for her. My oldest grandson asked me what I was doing and I told him that I am making Grandma's tea. He asked me why I made it because he doesn't see me drink it. I said, "because I love her". So he is getting the idea by just seeing it on display.
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The love languages are bunk
 
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BradStevens said:
So lars, really basic question: how did you broach that subject with your daughter? Was it planned? Did you know what you were going to say going into it? How did she react--embarrassed, disengaged, interested?

I think it's awesome that you talked that way with her and were open and honest. Not awful at all.

Re menopause, buy her one of these:

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and get one for yourself if you get hormone shots for prostate cancer.
 
VanPastorMan said:
The Five Love Languages by Dr. Gary Chapman (Moody Bible Institute Grad btw) is a book I use for pre marital counseling. Dr. Chapman hits it out of the park. The general principle is that we all experience love differently. So the key to a healthy marriage is finding the love language of your spouse and then loving them in this way. For instance my wife shows her love by doing acts of service. So one of the things I do is I make her tea for her. I don't drink it. She does. But I make it for her. My oldest grandson asked me what I was doing and I told him that I am making Grandma's tea. He asked me why I made it because he doesn't see me drink it. I said, "because I love her". So he is getting the idea by just seeing it on display.
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Did you talk about that book with your kids?
 
jet812 said:
My cousin is a priest. At a mass celebrating his parents’ 50th wedding anniversary his homily touched on many things about their marriage & his upbringing but the thing that really got me was him saying that he never saw his dad disrespect his mom. I could feel my face redden with shame, as I have not always taken care to lead by example(snide remarks, making my irritation & annoyances obvious, etc). My parents were terrific at this as well though, so the sample doesn’t always get picked up on. I have tried to focus a lot on getting my son comfortable speaking openly about ANYTHING, as I feel like that is the biggest key to a successful relationship. That was not how it was for me growing up, & causes most of the issues in my marriage today. If we could only clear the air about more, it would eliminate the resentments & grudges that can build up over time…
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Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. I know where you’re coming from here.
 
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kraft cheese+macaroni said:
The love languages are bunk
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I think there is some truth in there. Tying it to the modeling theory, one might pick up on how to love unconsciously by viewing one’s parents and how they interact and then that underlies your reactions to things in a relationship. Different parental relational habits translate into “languages,” which is just a simplifying pedagogical metaphor.
 
VanPastorMan said:
Yes I have. It also works with just about anybody you are in a relationship with. If your daughter for instance is a gift giver by nature then that is her love language. This way you can show love to her
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Van, not trying to be humorous or clever here, but...

Young love and horny teenage boys could take liberties with a girl who is a gift giver.

The thread for the most part didn't get into explaining how to deal with the subject of how young love and young sex can be a challenge when young and inexperienced emotions run high.
 
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BradStevens said:
So lars, really basic question: how did you broach that subject with your daughter? Was it planned? Did you know what you were going to say going into it? How did she react--embarrassed, disengaged, interested?

I think it's awesome that you talked that way with her and were open and honest. Not awful at all.

Re menopause, buy her one of these:

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Not planned. We had a version (by we I mean my wife) about nuts and bolts but that came with her starting her period really (she was 10).

I feel like my daughter (when she doesn’t hate me) will talk to me about things that she knows her mother will stifle.

Can’t even remember how it came up. But I wanted her to k ow that some guys will try to use her. It’s in our nature. And it went from there. I tried to let her know nice guys tend to be….nice too. Chase a bad boy if you must but he won’t respect you or care much.
 
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larsIU said:
Not planned. We had a version (by we I mean my wife) about nuts and bolts but that came with her starting her period really (she was 10).

I feel like my daughter (when she doesn’t hate me) will talk to me about things that she knows her mother will stifle.

Can’t even remember how it came up. But I wanted her to k ow that some guys will try to use her. It’s in our nature. And it went from there. I tried to let her know nice guys tend to be….nice too. Chase a bad boy if you must but he won’t respect you or care much.
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mcmurtry66 said:
Had the baby. Happily ever after.
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Give it a couple years until you get that call. "Hey uh, you wouldn't know any good divorce attorneys in the STL area would you? Asking for a close friend of mine. She's really been going through a lot. Thanks."
 
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Give it a couple years until you get that call. "Hey uh, you wouldn't know any good divorce attorneys in the STL area would you? Asking for a close friend of mine. She's really been going through a lot. Thanks."
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My daughter had dinner with them last week. For his age he makes great money. Works like a mule. Then apparently is a yes dear. Yes dear. At home. Big into the church. I suspect they’ll make it. He and I are polar opposites

She told me I should go to church. I told her bitch. I got my own personal pastor.
 
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mcmurtry66 said:
My daughter had dinner with them last week. For his age he makes great money. Works like a mule. Then apparently is a yes dear. Yes dear. At home. Big into the church. I suspect they’ll make it. He and I are polar opposites

She told me I should go to church. I told her bitch. I got my own personal pastor.
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The guy sounds like a real asshole.
 
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larsIU said:
Not planned. We had a version (by we I mean my wife) about nuts and bolts but that came with her starting her period really (she was 10).

I feel like my daughter (when she doesn’t hate me) will talk to me about things that she knows her mother will stifle.

Can’t even remember how it came up. But I wanted her to k ow that some guys will try to use her. It’s in our nature. And it went from there. I tried to let her know nice guys tend to be….nice too. Chase a bad boy if you must but he won’t respect you or care much.
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We raised our daughters by the credo; 'A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle'.

Both married to good men who work, aren't dopers , are respectful, and each has a child who is loved and protected.
 
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mcmurtry66 said:
My daughter had dinner with them last week. For his age he makes great money. Works like a mule. Then apparently is a yes dear. Yes dear. At home. Big into the church. I suspect they’ll make it. He and I are polar opposites

She told me I should go to church. I told her bitch. I got my own personal pastor.
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Rafa Conde?
 
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larsIU said:
Not planned. We had a version (by we I mean my wife) about nuts and bolts but that came with her starting her period really (she was 10).

I feel like my daughter (when she doesn’t hate me) will talk to me about things that she knows her mother will stifle.

Can’t even remember how it came up. But I wanted her to k ow that some guys will try to use her. It’s in our nature. And it went from there. I tried to let her know nice guys tend to be….nice too. Chase a bad boy if you must but he won’t respect you or care much.
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As the kids say, no cap detected here.
 
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What's that got to do with it?
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mcmurtry66 said:
My daughter had dinner with them last week. For his age he makes great money. Works like a mule. Then apparently is a yes dear. Yes dear. At home. Big into the church. I suspect they’ll make it. He and I are polar opposites

She told me I should go to church. I told her bitch. I got my own personal pastor.
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Just saw this Murt. I’m thinking outside the box, so don’t judge harshly Coach. Maybe you and the new man start your own church small group?
 
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