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"During its decade-long stand-off with world powers over its nuclear program, Iran repeatedly rejected visits by U.N. inspectors to its military sites, saying they had nothing to do with nuclear activity and so were beyond the IAEA’s purview."
Even your cherry-picked sentence fails to support your baseless claims. (Hint: The sentence begins "During its decade-long stand-off with world powers over its nuclear program".) As your linked report expressly says, the IAEA has not requested the access to other sites that the JCPOA expressly grants, because there is no basis to believe that Iran is engaged in banned activity at sites not covered by the JCPOA.

Are you really this dense?
 
This is why I’m mostly done with this forum. Dumbasses like you waddle in here, make outrageous claims like you invented the Question Mark, and post articles that do not even mention your claim.

Thank you to @Hoosier_Hack and @Quix0te for ruining an otherwise educational and bilateral information exchange into a Trump rally. Politely go f___ yourselves.
I bet you drive a very big pickup truck don’t you Ranger:rolleyes: You know what people say about that;)
 
Even your cherry-picked sentence fails to support your baseless claims. (Hint: The sentence begins "During its decade-long stand-off with world powers over its nuclear program".) As your linked report expressly says, the IAEA has not requested the access to other sites that the JCPOA expressly grants, because there is no basis to believe that Iran is engaged in banned activity at sites not covered by the JCPOA.
Here's the title of the article, dated 2017:

Iran rejects U.S. demand for U.N. visit to military sites

Here is the first sentence of the article:

"Iran has dismissed a U.S. demand for United Nations nuclear inspectors to visit its military bases as “merely a dream”."


 
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Here's the title of the article, dated 2017:

Iran rejects U.S. demand for U.N. visit to military sites

Here is the first sentence of the article:

"Iran has dismissed a U.S. demand for United Nations nuclear inspectors to visit its military bases as “merely a dream”."

My God you're dumb as a post. That cherry-picked sentence says that Iran has rejected "a U.S. demand". Read with comprehension, this says that the Trump administration is demanding access to sites not covered by the JCPOA. Among the reasons Iran says no such access will be granted is that the IAEA does not believe there is any basis for the Trump administration's demands, and the IAEA therefore won't request the access that the JCPOA allows.

It's bad that you're so vastly ignorant, but it's much worse that you lack the reading comprehension to grasp that even what you link and quote shows that your claims are baseless. Here's a summary of our disagreement thus far:

Quix0te: Baseless claim.

Rockfish: Facts.

Q: [Hits self in face]

R: Facts

Q: [Shoots self in foot]

R: Facts

Q: [Cuts own nose off]​
 
"Iran told the agency that the traces were linked to its conventional weapons stockpile, but IAEA director-general Yukiya Amano disagreed. "The samples did not support [the] Iranian story," he said in a 2016 interview; "The Iranians weren't telling us everything in this regard." "

"For his part, Amano stated last month that he is unsure about the full extent of the IAEA's powers under the nuclear deal. Section T of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action bars Iran from developing technologies for nuclear weapons, including computer models of nuclear explosions or multipoint detonation systems. But the agreement does not specify who should verify Iran's compliance with that prohibition. "Our tools are limited," Amano told reporters in Vienna."

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...ry-sites-continue-to-haunt-the-nuclear-accord
 
"Iran told the agency that the traces were linked to its conventional weapons stockpile, but IAEA director-general Yukiya Amano disagreed. "The samples did not support [the] Iranian story," he said in a 2016 interview; "The Iranians weren't telling us everything in this regard." "

"For his part, Amano stated last month that he is unsure about the full extent of the IAEA's powers under the nuclear deal. Section T of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action bars Iran from developing technologies for nuclear weapons, including computer models of nuclear explosions or multipoint detonation systems. But the agreement does not specify who should verify Iran's compliance with that prohibition. "Our tools are limited," Amano told reporters in Vienna."

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...ry-sites-continue-to-haunt-the-nuclear-accord
Apparently determined to prove beyond all doubt that you are dumb as a post, your newest self-defeating link also establishes the very points I've been making: that the real disagreement concerns what Iran did in the past, not what it's doing now, and the most important thing is to maintain the intrusive inspection regime that ensures Iran won't act on any nuclear ambitions it may retain:

For more than a decade, Western governments and the IAEA have attempted to assess how close Iran was to developing a nuclear weapon prior to the 2015 deal. U.S. intelligence agencies concluded in 2007 that Tehran had given up a highly centralized weapons program akin to the Manhattan Project four years earlier, though they said some weapons-related activities likely continued. The IAEA offered a similar assessment but said more formal work might have continued until 2009. Iran denies ever attempting to develop a bomb.

Tehran was supposed to address the international community's concerns about weaponization concerns as part of the nuclear agreement but came up short. Among other things, it refused to give the IAEA access to the top nuclear scientists believed to be involved in weapons tests in the early 2000s, according to agency staff. Tehran also claimed that documents the IAEA had amassed on weaponization were fabricated. In the end, the agency was permitted just one visit to a single military site, the Parchin base.

Parchin is one of the facilities the Trump administration remains fixated on today, according to senior U.S. officials. The IAEA found traces of manmade uranium at the base during its 2015 inspection, and U.S. authorities concluded that these discoveries were likely tied to weapons work conducted there more than a decade earlier. Iran told the agency that the traces were linked to its conventional weapons stockpile, but IAEA director-general Yukiya Amano disagreed. "The samples did not support [the] Iranian story," he said in a 2016 interview; "The Iranians weren't telling us everything in this regard."

Even so, neither the Obama administration nor the IAEA pressed Iran on the discovery, instead allowing the nuclear deal to go into force in January 2016. Senior U.S. officials have indicated that American intelligence agencies already knew what type of weapons tests had been conducted at Parchin, and they concluded that it did not make sense to blow up the agreement over the discovery. As one official noted in 2016, revisiting the base was unlikely to reveal much in the way of new information -- "What's important now is that they don't do it again."​
 
My God you're dumb as a post. That cherry-picked sentence says that Iran has rejected "a U.S. demand". Read with comprehension, this says that the Trump administration is demanding access to sites not covered by the JCPOA. Among the reasons Iran says no such access will be granted is that the IAEA does not believe there is any basis for the Trump administration's demands, and the IAEA therefore won't request the access that the JCPOA allows.

It's bad that you're so vastly ignorant, but it's much worse that you lack the reading comprehension to grasp that even what you link and quote shows that your claims are baseless. Here's a summary of our disagreement thus far:

Quix0te: Baseless claim.

Rockfish: Facts.

Q: [Hits self in face]

R: Facts

Q: [Shoots self in foot]

R: Facts

Q: [Cuts own nose off]​

One of my favorite arguments as to how Iran would outsmart inspectors is that they would “just move the material to another site”. I’ll let Trumpsters google about why that wouldn’t work.
 
After the Iraq debacle you would have thought some folks here would have learnt something. Yellow cake. Slam dunk etc.

If you got something so wrong a bit of humility should be in order instead of some high moral horse position.
The US may suffer from short term memory but I can assure you that the rest of the world doesn't.
 
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One of my favorite arguments as to how Iran would outsmart inspectors is that they would “just move the material to another site”. I’ll let Trumpsters google about why that wouldn’t work.
Why would they move it to another site? All the Iranians need to do is say "That's a military site" and they know for a certainty the UN inspectors won't go there.
 
As to the topic of this post, I think it's largely irrelevant and symbolic. As I understand it....most all official business done my ambassadors, etc.. has long taken place in Jerusalem.
 
Here is where Obama caved in and made the nuclear inspection process in Iran nothing more than toothless, meaningless busywork:

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Critics Say U.S. Officials Promised 'Anytime, Anywhere' Inspections In Iran Nuclear Deal
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DAVID WELNA


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The nuclear deal the U.S. and five other nations have struck gives Iran a delay of up to 24 days for outside inspections of suspected nuclear facilities. But critics say that is not what the White House promised. They point to "anytime, anywhere" descriptions of such inspections made by key officials in the lead-up to the agreement. Those officials say that is not what they actually meant.

ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:

The possibility of Iran eventually being able to develop weapons-grade uranium is not the only risk worrying critics. There's concern that inspectors may have to wait 24 days before gaining access to suspected nuclear weapons sites. Critics say inspections should be anytime and anywhere. NPR's David Welna reports.

DAVID WELNA, BYLINE: It was only when the terms of the Iran nuclear agreement were made public last month that the world learned that country could have what would be, in effect, a two-and-a-half week warning before inspections were carried out at suspected undeclared nuclear sites.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

MARCO RUBIO: It is not an anytime, anywhere inspection system.

WELNA: That's Florida Republican senator and presidential contender Marco Rubio on CNN a few days after the deal was announced. But such complaints are coming not only from Republicans. Chuck Schumer is a New Yorker who's expected to be the Senate Democrats' next leader. Here's Schumer yesterday explaining why he's opposing the Iran deal.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

CHUCK SCHUMER: I found the inspections regime not anywhere, anytime but with lots of holes in it.

WELNA: Even before the nuclear agreement was reached, Schumer had been under pressure to oppose it.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Call Senator Schumer, and tell him he must stand firm - anywhere, anytime inspections or no deal.

WELNA: That ad from a group calling itself The Emergency Committee for Israel aired just days before the deal was reached. But at a congressional hearing in January, Schumer was already demanding a tighter inspections regime.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

SCHUMER: The agreement must contain stronger language that allows inspections anywhere, anytime, unannounced.

WELNA: And the White House sounded as if it agreed. Here's deputy national security advisor Ben Rhodes speaking on CNN in early April.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

BEN RHODES: Under this deal, you will have anywhere, anytime, 24/7 access as it relates to the nuclear facilities that Iran has.

WELNA: And Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz was asked on this program last month why he'd earlier told Bloomberg News there would be anytime, anywhere inspections.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

ERNEST MONIZ: I said anytime, anywhere access in the sense of having a well-defined process over a finite time period to resolve the issues, so that's what anytime means. It's still what it means.

WELNA: But Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu told MORNING EDITION last month that anytime means anytime and that Iran can cheat inspectors if it has 24-days' notice before inspections have to take place.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED BROADCAST)

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: That's a long time. You can flush a lot of evidence down the toilet. It's like telling a drug dealer, we're going to check your meth lab in 24 days; we put you on warning. And therefore, I think these inspections are completely porous.

WELNA: Former nuclear weapons inspector David Albright says it's a fact that Iran has cheated during previous nuclear inspections it knew about in advance.

DAVID ALBRIGHT: Iran had time in those cases. They didn't have this 24-day clock. And so there is a worry that they'll rise to the occasion and learn how to defeat sampling in 24 days.

WELNA: Albright says one way to speed up inspections, even with the deal in place, would be to impose progressively harsher sanctions on Iran for every day it seeks to delay. David Welna, NPR News, Washington.

Copyright © 2015 NPR. All rights reserved. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information.



The Iranian Nuclear-Inspection Charade
Iran is allowed ample time, up to 24 days, to hide or destroy evidence before inspectors are given access.


Iran’s foreign minister, Javad Zarif, right, and the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Ali Akbar Salehi, at a press briefing in Tehran, July 15.
By
William Tobey
July 15, 2015 6:57 p.m. ET
200 COMMENTS


In the months leading up to Tuesday’s announcement of a nuclear agreement with Iran, American proponents and skeptics of the deal at least agreed on one thing: the importance of “anywhere, anytime” inspections of Iran’s nuclear facilities.

On the skeptical side, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce (R., Calif.) said on June 30: “The standard needs to be ‘go anywhere, anytime’—not go ‘some places, sometimes.’ ” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell that same day called for “complete agreement on ‘anytime, anywhere’ inspections.”

On the Obama administration side, there was Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz in April saying, “We expect to have anywhere, anytime access.” And Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes also in April saying: “In the first place we will have anytime, anywhere access [to] nuclear facilities.”

Opinion Journal: Iran Deal: What Comes Next?
071415opinionfuture_16x9still.jpg


Global View Columnist Bret Stephens on what the Iran nuclear deal means for nuclear proliferation and U.S. foreign policy. Photo: Getty Images
Yet in announcing the deal this week, President Obama said inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency “will have access where necessary, when necessary.”

Note the distinction: Agreeing on what is “necessary” is going to be a preoccupation of the new inspections regime. No wonder Mr. Rhodes was on CNN on Wednesday denying that negotiators had ever sought anytime, anywhere inspections.

Under the deal’s terms, when the IAEA demands access to a suspect site, Iran will have 14 days to fulfill the request or propose other means to satisfy it. If the matter remains unresolved, a joint commission with representatives from each of the eight parties to the agreement would have a further week to act, and Iran would then be given three days to comply. Thus, 24 days might elapse between a request for access by the IAEA and a requirement upon Iran to provide it—ample time for Iran to hide or destroy evidence.

Many observers now are in despair over how far short the nuclear agreement falls of the “anywhere, anytime” standard. But the promise of what such unfettered access could accomplish was always a chimera. Much more would be required for any attempt to monitor Iran’s nuclear program to be a success.

Verifying Iran’s nuclear-safeguards obligations to the IAEA could never have been accomplished solely with anywhere, anytime inspections. Iran is too vast and its government too practiced at denying information and deceiving inspectors for such an Easter egg hunt to succeed.

For inspections to be meaningful, Iran would have to completely and correctly declare all its relevant nuclear activities and procurement, past and present. Veteran CIA nuclear-verification expert John Lauder recently told me that data declarations are “most important because they help set the stage for all other measures.” As former IAEA chief inspector Olli Heinonen told the New York Times last year: “You don’t need to see every nut and bolt, but you are taking a heck of a risk if you don’t establish a baseline of how far they went.”

Tehran should already have made a full declaration under its obligations that predated the Tuesday accord, but the IAEA has found that Iran repeatedly failed to do so. Moreover, the agency as far back as November 2011 identified 12 areas of Iranian activities that could only be explained by nuclear-weapons development, calling them the “possible military dimensions” of Iran’s nuclear program.

Despite repeated IAEA efforts to investigate these matters, and Iranian promises to cooperate, Tehran blocked meaningful progress. Now the new agreement calls again on Iran to cooperate, but it offers no reason to believe that the Iranian regime will end its recalcitrance.

For inspectors to do their job, they require access to supporting records and knowledgeable individuals. They would need to examine invoices, lab notes, personnel files, organization charts, production inventories, building plans and other documents supporting the declaration—assuming one is ever provided—and to discuss the material with scientists and program managers. As former United Nations and U.S. weapons inspector David Kay recently explained to me: “Unfettered access to people and documents is required to tell inspectors what to look for and where to go.”

From there, the inspectors—in a genuine nuclear-inspections program—would construct a comprehensive mosaic of Iran’s nuclear programs, overt and covert. Tile by tile, they would pursue missing pieces, and flag false or inconsistent ones for closer scrutiny. This would have to proceed until the IAEA concluded that it has a complete and correct declaration covering all nuclear-related activities. The IAEA needs to probe gaps and inconsistencies, which are often more difficult to hide than covert enrichment facilities.

The anywhere, anytime inspections ideal is also misleading because, as a practical matter, such inspections would be impossible in Iran. The regime will always have the power to deny inspectors access to a suspect site. Inspectors are few; minders are many, and backed by an army. If the IAEA requested admittance to a site where covert weapons work had been conducted, Tehran would simply find an excuse to deny it—as has apparently occurred at Parchin, where past inspection requests yielded only elaborate cleanup efforts.

A successful Iran nuclear agreement would have required far more than anywhere, anytime inspections, let alone the delayed, managed access with a 24-day duration provided under the Iran nuclear deal that President Obama hailed on Tuesday. What was essential is now conspicuously missing: Tehran’s submission of a complete and correct nuclear declaration, and the regime’s cooperation with IAEA efforts to verify it. Anything short of that is an illusion.

Mr. Tobey, a senior fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard’s Kennedy School, is a former deputy administrator for defense nuclear nonproliferation at the National Nuclear Security Administration.
 
Here is where Obama caved in and made the nuclear inspection process in Iran nothing more than toothless, meaningless busywork:

NATIONAL SECURITY
Critics Say U.S. Officials Promised 'Anytime, Anywhere' Inspections In Iran Nuclear Deal
3:17
  • DOWNLOAD
  • " style="display: flex; align-items: center; min-height: 35px; width: 170px; margin-top: 14px; padding: 5px 10px; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(68, 68, 68); background: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(153, 153, 153); font-size: 1.2rem; user-select: all;">
  • TRANSCRIPT
August 11, 20154:42 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered

DAVID WELNA


Twitter
The nuclear deal the U.S. and five other nations have struck gives Iran a delay of up to 24 days for outside inspections of suspected nuclear facilities. But critics say that is not what the White House promised. They point to "anytime, anywhere" descriptions of such inspections made by key officials in the lead-up to the agreement. Those officials say that is not what they actually meant.

ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:

The possibility of Iran eventually being able to develop weapons-grade uranium is not the only risk worrying critics. There's concern that inspectors may have to wait 24 days before gaining access to suspected nuclear weapons sites. Critics say inspections should be anytime and anywhere. NPR's David Welna reports.

DAVID WELNA, BYLINE: It was only when the terms of the Iran nuclear agreement were made public last month that the world learned that country could have what would be, in effect, a two-and-a-half week warning before inspections were carried out at suspected undeclared nuclear sites.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

MARCO RUBIO: It is not an anytime, anywhere inspection system.

WELNA: That's Florida Republican senator and presidential contender Marco Rubio on CNN a few days after the deal was announced. But such complaints are coming not only from Republicans. Chuck Schumer is a New Yorker who's expected to be the Senate Democrats' next leader. Here's Schumer yesterday explaining why he's opposing the Iran deal.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

CHUCK SCHUMER: I found the inspections regime not anywhere, anytime but with lots of holes in it.

WELNA: Even before the nuclear agreement was reached, Schumer had been under pressure to oppose it.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Call Senator Schumer, and tell him he must stand firm - anywhere, anytime inspections or no deal.

WELNA: That ad from a group calling itself The Emergency Committee for Israel aired just days before the deal was reached. But at a congressional hearing in January, Schumer was already demanding a tighter inspections regime.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

SCHUMER: The agreement must contain stronger language that allows inspections anywhere, anytime, unannounced.

WELNA: And the White House sounded as if it agreed. Here's deputy national security advisor Ben Rhodes speaking on CNN in early April.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

BEN RHODES: Under this deal, you will have anywhere, anytime, 24/7 access as it relates to the nuclear facilities that Iran has.

WELNA: And Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz was asked on this program last month why he'd earlier told Bloomberg News there would be anytime, anywhere inspections.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

ERNEST MONIZ: I said anytime, anywhere access in the sense of having a well-defined process over a finite time period to resolve the issues, so that's what anytime means. It's still what it means.

WELNA: But Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu told MORNING EDITION last month that anytime means anytime and that Iran can cheat inspectors if it has 24-days' notice before inspections have to take place.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED BROADCAST)

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: That's a long time. You can flush a lot of evidence down the toilet. It's like telling a drug dealer, we're going to check your meth lab in 24 days; we put you on warning. And therefore, I think these inspections are completely porous.

WELNA: Former nuclear weapons inspector David Albright says it's a fact that Iran has cheated during previous nuclear inspections it knew about in advance.

DAVID ALBRIGHT: Iran had time in those cases. They didn't have this 24-day clock. And so there is a worry that they'll rise to the occasion and learn how to defeat sampling in 24 days.

WELNA: Albright says one way to speed up inspections, even with the deal in place, would be to impose progressively harsher sanctions on Iran for every day it seeks to delay. David Welna, NPR News, Washington.

Copyright © 2015 NPR. All rights reserved. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information.



The Iranian Nuclear-Inspection Charade
Iran is allowed ample time, up to 24 days, to hide or destroy evidence before inspectors are given access.


Iran’s foreign minister, Javad Zarif, right, and the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Ali Akbar Salehi, at a press briefing in Tehran, July 15.
By
William Tobey
July 15, 2015 6:57 p.m. ET
200 COMMENTS


In the months leading up to Tuesday’s announcement of a nuclear agreement with Iran, American proponents and skeptics of the deal at least agreed on one thing: the importance of “anywhere, anytime” inspections of Iran’s nuclear facilities.

On the skeptical side, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce (R., Calif.) said on June 30: “The standard needs to be ‘go anywhere, anytime’—not go ‘some places, sometimes.’ ” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell that same day called for “complete agreement on ‘anytime, anywhere’ inspections.”

On the Obama administration side, there was Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz in April saying, “We expect to have anywhere, anytime access.” And Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes also in April saying: “In the first place we will have anytime, anywhere access [to] nuclear facilities.”

Opinion Journal: Iran Deal: What Comes Next?
071415opinionfuture_16x9still.jpg


Global View Columnist Bret Stephens on what the Iran nuclear deal means for nuclear proliferation and U.S. foreign policy. Photo: Getty Images
Yet in announcing the deal this week, President Obama said inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency “will have access where necessary, when necessary.”

Note the distinction: Agreeing on what is “necessary” is going to be a preoccupation of the new inspections regime. No wonder Mr. Rhodes was on CNN on Wednesday denying that negotiators had ever sought anytime, anywhere inspections.

Under the deal’s terms, when the IAEA demands access to a suspect site, Iran will have 14 days to fulfill the request or propose other means to satisfy it. If the matter remains unresolved, a joint commission with representatives from each of the eight parties to the agreement would have a further week to act, and Iran would then be given three days to comply. Thus, 24 days might elapse between a request for access by the IAEA and a requirement upon Iran to provide it—ample time for Iran to hide or destroy evidence.

Many observers now are in despair over how far short the nuclear agreement falls of the “anywhere, anytime” standard. But the promise of what such unfettered access could accomplish was always a chimera. Much more would be required for any attempt to monitor Iran’s nuclear program to be a success.

Verifying Iran’s nuclear-safeguards obligations to the IAEA could never have been accomplished solely with anywhere, anytime inspections. Iran is too vast and its government too practiced at denying information and deceiving inspectors for such an Easter egg hunt to succeed.

For inspections to be meaningful, Iran would have to completely and correctly declare all its relevant nuclear activities and procurement, past and present. Veteran CIA nuclear-verification expert John Lauder recently told me that data declarations are “most important because they help set the stage for all other measures.” As former IAEA chief inspector Olli Heinonen told the New York Times last year: “You don’t need to see every nut and bolt, but you are taking a heck of a risk if you don’t establish a baseline of how far they went.”

Tehran should already have made a full declaration under its obligations that predated the Tuesday accord, but the IAEA has found that Iran repeatedly failed to do so. Moreover, the agency as far back as November 2011 identified 12 areas of Iranian activities that could only be explained by nuclear-weapons development, calling them the “possible military dimensions” of Iran’s nuclear program.

Despite repeated IAEA efforts to investigate these matters, and Iranian promises to cooperate, Tehran blocked meaningful progress. Now the new agreement calls again on Iran to cooperate, but it offers no reason to believe that the Iranian regime will end its recalcitrance.

For inspectors to do their job, they require access to supporting records and knowledgeable individuals. They would need to examine invoices, lab notes, personnel files, organization charts, production inventories, building plans and other documents supporting the declaration—assuming one is ever provided—and to discuss the material with scientists and program managers. As former United Nations and U.S. weapons inspector David Kay recently explained to me: “Unfettered access to people and documents is required to tell inspectors what to look for and where to go.”

From there, the inspectors—in a genuine nuclear-inspections program—would construct a comprehensive mosaic of Iran’s nuclear programs, overt and covert. Tile by tile, they would pursue missing pieces, and flag false or inconsistent ones for closer scrutiny. This would have to proceed until the IAEA concluded that it has a complete and correct declaration covering all nuclear-related activities. The IAEA needs to probe gaps and inconsistencies, which are often more difficult to hide than covert enrichment facilities.

The anywhere, anytime inspections ideal is also misleading because, as a practical matter, such inspections would be impossible in Iran. The regime will always have the power to deny inspectors access to a suspect site. Inspectors are few; minders are many, and backed by an army. If the IAEA requested admittance to a site where covert weapons work had been conducted, Tehran would simply find an excuse to deny it—as has apparently occurred at Parchin, where past inspection requests yielded only elaborate cleanup efforts.

A successful Iran nuclear agreement would have required far more than anywhere, anytime inspections, let alone the delayed, managed access with a 24-day duration provided under the Iran nuclear deal that President Obama hailed on Tuesday. What was essential is now conspicuously missing: Tehran’s submission of a complete and correct nuclear declaration, and the regime’s cooperation with IAEA efforts to verify it. Anything short of that is an illusion.

Mr. Tobey, a senior fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard’s Kennedy School, is a former deputy administrator for defense nuclear nonproliferation at the National Nuclear Security Administration.
More blithering idiocy. We have constant surveillance of all known Iranian nuclear material and facilities. As to that we don't just have anywhere/anytime inspections, we have everywhere/all the time inspections.

But no country (including Iran) would agree to anytime/anywhere inspections of anything we want. Thus as I've explained many times, the JCPOA has a process for the IAEA to inspect other sites where it reasonably believes banned activities are being conducted. That process could take up to 24 days. But since it's impossible to eliminate every molecule of uranium from a site -- and since the half-life of Uranium is a lot longer than 24 days -- that's of little consequence. Inspectors could still find evidence of uranium at Parchin years after all nuclear weapons activities are believed to have ceased there. And of course the IAEA has identified no such sites that it wants to inspect -- because it doesn't believe that Iran is engaged in any banned activities.

But even assuming the 24-day process were a problem, you don't fix that problem by giving up everywhere all the time surveillance of all Iran's nuclear materials and facilities. Only a moron would do that.
 
More blithering idiocy. We have constant surveillance of all known Iranian nuclear material and facilities. As to that we don't just have anywhere/anytime inspections, we have everywhere/all the time inspections.

But no country (including Iran) would agree to anytime/anywhere inspections of anything we want. Thus as I've explained many times, the JCPOA has a process for the IAEA to inspect other sites where it reasonably believes banned activities are being conducted. That process could take up to 24 days. But since it's impossible to eliminate every molecule of uranium from a site -- and since the half-life of Uranium is a lot longer than 24 days -- that's of little consequence. Inspectors could still find evidence of uranium at Parchin years after all nuclear weapons activities are believed to have ceased there. And of course the IAEA has identified no such sites that it wants to inspect -- because it doesn't believe that Iran is engaged in any banned activities.

But even assuming the 24-day process were a problem, you don't fix that problem by giving up everywhere all the time surveillance of all Iran's nuclear materials and facilities. Only a moron would do that.
I just want to highlight that, while I can explain in my own words what my points are, Quix0te conspicuously cannot. That's because he has no idea what he's talking about -- which also explains why even what he links and quotes refutes his stupid claims.
 
We know exactly which sites the IAEA should inspect. So does Israel. But the those sites were excluded from the JCPOA.

 
This is why I’m mostly done with this forum. Dumbasses like you waddle in here, make outrageous claims like you invented the Question Mark, and post articles that do not even mention your claim.

Thank you to @Hoosier_Hack and @Quix0te for ruining an otherwise educational and bilateral information exchange into a Trump rally. Politely go f___ yourselves.

You take more encores.....

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France introduced a resolution for consideration by the EU declaring Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel and Palestine and that EU nations will not move their embassies to Jerusalem. But it blew up in their face as 3 countries voted no.
This is just a hint of the growing fragility of the European Union. If France can't bring in a resolution on a subject like this, will it and Germany be able to strong arm the other members of the EU to support the Iran nuclear deal?
 
what could possibly go wrong.

This?
Gaza clashes: 25 dead in violence before US embassy opening
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44104599

At least 25 Palestinians in Gaza have been shot dead by Israeli troops after bloody clashes erupted on the border, Palestinian officials say.
The violence comes before the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem, which has infuriated Palestinians.
They see it as clear US backing for Israeli rule over the whole city, whose eastern part Palestinians lay claim to.
Top US officials, including President Donald Trump's daughter and her husband, will attend the event.
 
Seems like this is going to further destabilize the region.

I only see a one-state solution being viable at this point for Israel/Palestine, which will result in the Jewish folks in Israel/Palestine being a minority.

France introduced a resolution for consideration by the EU declaring Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel and Palestine and that EU nations will not move their embassies to Jerusalem. But it blew up in their face as 3 countries voted no.
This is just a hint of the growing fragility of the European Union. If France can't bring in a resolution on a subject like this, will it and Germany be able to strong arm the other members of the EU to support the Iran nuclear deal?

That means the US has less influence in Europe and Russia will have more. Fun times.
 
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Why do I not feel this is all making the world a safer place? Anyone else believe Trump is hoping for a major act of terrorism against the US? This guy is itching for a fight.
The Jerusalem Embassy Act was passed in Congress by an overwhelming bipartisan majority in 1995 and was reaffirmed by a unanimous vote of the Senate only six months ago. I don't like Trump but here he is clearly complying with the mandate of Congress.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-correct-about-history-jerusalem-embas/
 
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Why do I not feel this is all making the world a safer place? Anyone else believe Trump is hoping for a major act of terrorism against the US? This guy is itching for a fight.
Boy you sure love to post propaganda :rolleyes:
 
No, Obama did it because he was trying to stop Iran from getting the bomb. He succeeded. Trump f***ed it up. Congratulations on supporting the guy who ultimately gave Iran the bomb.

North Korea made one of these deals in the mid 90's as well. 12 years after the deal they tested their first nuclear weapon.

All this deal did was allow Iran the ability to have a strengthened economy after 10 years of doing business with Europe before they flipped the switch on full scale uranium production.
 
The Jerusalem Embassy Act was passed in Congress by an overwhelming bipartisan majority in 1995 and was reaffirmed by a unanimous vote of the Senate only six months ago. I don't like Trump but here he is clearly complying with the mandate of Congress.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-correct-about-history-jerusalem-embas/

To what end? He exercised his authority to poke his finger in the eye of Palestine. That doesn't seem to me like it will make me safer at the end of the day.
 
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To what end? He exercised his authority to poke his finger in the eye of Palestine. That doesn't seem to me like it will make me safer at the end of the day.
Until Trump stopped paying it, US foreign aid funding paid to the Palestinian Authority was used for official payments to reward terrorists. Prior to 2014 these payments were made directly from the PA to the jihadists and their families, now the PA channels the money through the PLO. Why on earth are you worried about offending these people? They openly finance terrorism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ld-stop-enabling-them/?utm_term=.c20c4a12f38c
 
Until Trump stopped paying it, US foreign aid funding paid to the Palestinian Authority was used for official payments to reward terrorists. Prior to 2014 these payments were made directly from the PA to the jihadists and their families, now the PA channels the money through the PLO. Why on earth are you worried about offending these people? They openly finance terrorism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ld-stop-enabling-them/?utm_term=.c20c4a12f38c
And you’re far too simple of a thinker to even remotely comprehend why. Thank goodness you weren’t a leader in the American colonies around 1776. You’d be wearing a red coat later that year.
 
Says the guy who:
  1. Wouldn’t even dream of living in Israel and instead prefers to support them with platitudes from afar
  2. Has no idea of the true history of what’s happened to the Palestinian people throughout recorded history

LOL. I lived there for four months actually. There is a reason nobody wants the Palestinians. Ask Jordanians their thoughts on the group.
 
To what end? He exercised his authority to poke his finger in the eye of Palestine. That doesn't seem to me like it will make me safer at the end of the day.
Eye of Palestine? He would have to get in line with every other Muslim Country in the region. They poke, kick, and crap on Palestinians every day. They are a pawn against Israel nothing more
 
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