Some of us have real lives and don't watch the media 24X7, so when someone goes on a rant without any background, it's a little hard to understand.
Thanks to IVF I have 3 daughters.
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Sure, I get being busy and not being in the loop on everything in the moment.
But typically (maybe this one is an exception) people sure don't show much curiosity to check into things, especially topics that are super easily attainable because of all the attention the topics are getting. Of course, getting factual information as opposed to ONLY reactionary responses can be a little harder. I do think there's an obvious tell there about where and how people get their info and it bears out time and again here, even if you tell me this isn't an example.
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Yes, there is actually a spark which has been seen when they do the ivf.
Agreed that you can tell where people get much of their info. But shouldn't the ones who are starting - and defending - posts be able to explain their positions instead of just starting on a rant. Even just providing a link that says what they're thinking?
I think we're past that point. First, while I hear you on business, lack of awareness on this comes off as disinterest (fair or not). Second, learned experience shows there's no convincing people even if hard data is presented. People have different realities at this point. That's different than having a bias (everyone is susceptible to that); I know you can't believe it, but the different realities is basically objectively true at this point and the source of the disconnect from a shared reality isn't universal to all Americans. That's deeply troubling. I care about our national well-being and best macro outcomes for ALL the people in it (including you). I think the actions/commentary/viewpoints of you and your message board brethren are antithetical to that, though.
By the way, not to pick at you, but you keep mentioning MSNBC and CNN. I get my information from lots of places. On this topic, I got my information from reading the Alabama opinion (most of it anyway), from a review of past draft legislation on personhood, from getting a read on more recent drafts, from the spoken comments from elected officials, and from people who have subject matter expertise. I think that gives me something of an informed (though imperfect) point of view. I probably do that on lots of topics. It feels like most people who disagree with me get their info from corrupt, opinion-only, ignorant "news" sources whose sole purpose is to drive a bad faith political agenda.
So shouldn't IVF be outlawed, since by its very nature the procedure results in embryos being sacrificed?
I watch neither very often and haven’t in the last week. You just said you disagreed with the ruling…but still feel the need to make a smart a$$ remark about it. Par for the course
Yes everyone with real lives who post on here constantly? How do you have time for that with all your real life?
Thank God we have you to critique me an my message board brethren, while not taking an actual stance yourself.
I'm retired. I'm not here 24X7 and go long periods of time without posting and reading the board.
What's your excuse?
Place I used to hit for happy hour served it just so... In what seemed like the size of a small fishbowl. If you had a 2nd one you needed a cab/Uber home.
No, there are a lot of things with 'life'. Mold, for instance.
What you're asking is if you think an embryo has a soul. I don't know - that's up to God to decide.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'sacrifice'. Can you elaborate?
I shared a lot and tried to be clear where I'm coming from (whether you liked it or not; and I've had plenty of opinions and stances on this forum over the many years). I get that you're never going to try to do the same.
Funny, I missed your position(s) on all this. This is your chance to state it/them.
I don't just mean on this particular issue, but on the value of having dialogue at all.
I'm not Farva whoever the that is. I've seen Super Troopers. Have the movie poster. BTW
If it's such a big deal to you then provide some fukin details or post a link and not assume. Not everyone sits on their ass watching news.
Do you even know what the life cycle of an embryo is? Do you live in Alabama?
Do you know what an embryo is?.
Since half my post was deleted because Libs dont like truth and honesy I'll do it again.
In Vitro Fertilization put simply is a process where a woman has her eggs frozen and at a later time some dudes sperm is used to fertilize the eggs and they insert the fertilized eggs in the woman's uterus.
Good lord, politicians aren't smart and people like @zeke4ahs need to post some goddamn links before going off.
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Just be happy they were willing to go to a museum instead of sitting on their phone or Switch
True but it has a kid’s area when my minion runs wild and plays. It’s really more of an indoor playground than a museum. At least one big part anyway
You need to get out of the burbs and buy a place in a rural area. Let that boy run
Move to the trailer park. Kids running everywhere. Some even have shoes.
That's just burning money. Dirty martinis are best made with well gin. Gordon's at most.
Bullshit,you eat it up like everyone else.
My cousin tried IVF 3 times. Spent 20K
I don't get it. I'm 38 happily married. We don't have kids and we don't want any. Being a kid sucks and kids are assholes
Cool. When you’re 50 and your friends all get tired of hearing about the latest “trip” you and the wife went on and aren’t around as much because they’re tending to their own families. When you reach the point you have exhausted all avenues of meaningful conversation with you wife because you live a fundamentally empty, hollow, and selfish life.
By all means come back here and brag about being a childless badass.
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I mean, that’s kind of assholish.
Although I agree that kids are amazing for a million reasons, I’m not conceited enough to think I know what’s best for everyone.
My work buddy Leo is from Costa Rica. He’s in his early 50’s and married with no children.
He’s going to retire at 55, move back to Costa Rica and adopt an at risk kid.
There are a million different reasons and motives for not having children.
Thinking they suck and are assholes would be a great reason not to have any. Imagine having a dad who thinks like that?
He might have met my minion.
Evolutionarily speaking I agree, and perhaps I was too harsh. It is best for the species if the selfless be fruitful and multiply while the selfish breed themselves out of existence.
We see a similar encouraging self-sort trend with respect to progressive women having less and less children. That is a net benefit for everybody.
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I guess I should go a little easier on Hickory, huh?
Unfortunately, many are hot and won't pass along those genes.
On the other hand, the 'bitch' gene should be diluted.
We don't go on trips so we can tell friends about it. We do things to enjoy each other's company.
You are some random internet shithead that doesn't know me, my wife or anything about our relationship. It's far from empty and hollow. I chose early retirement over progeny.
Do you have kids? I seriously doubt there is anyone that would want to have them with you. You seem like the target audience for pornhub ads.
You don't seem to understand the issues or the pertinent questions.
An example. Say a childless couple chooses the IVF route. I'm not a doctor and have no direct experience, so I may be wrong on the exact numbers, but I think this is realistic:
1) 20 eggs are harvested from the female
2) The 20 eggs are exposed to sperm and half, by chance, sucessfully get fertilized. Should the other 10 be considered human deaths, and someone be held accountable for possible subpar lab egg fertilization technique?*
3) The 10 remaining are cultured and allowed to grow. 5 develop and are frozen, 5 do not. Were these last 5 human deaths, and someone be held accountable for subpar culturing of fertilized eggs??**
4) 3 are later implanted, 2 are saved for a potential future try, should there be no success.
5) One of the three successfully attaches after implantation, 2 do not. Were these last 2 human deaths?*** Should the doctors or the mother be held accountable for unsucessful implantations?****
6) The couple welcomes a new baby into the world. Their life is fulfilled. Do they have two babies still in a freezer somewhere? *****
7) If the 2 remaining embryos are never implanted and the freezer fails, the clinic goes out of business, the couple decides they do not desire another child, the couple dies, or the couple breaks up.... maybe those two frozen embryos eventually do not remain viable. Were they murdered?*******
8) Do we use your tax dollars to hold onto those embryos for 10 years, 100 years, 1000 years?*******
9) Should the couple claim 3 dependants on their taxes, one in the home and 2 in a freezer?********
Answers:
*of course not
**of course not
***of course not
****of course not
*****of course not
******of course not
*******of course not
********of course not
But those answers may be different in Alabama, apparently
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My father would be 102 this December...youngest of 12..
Six boys, six girls..
You do understand that Pitt plays two characters, one angelic and one human...
Joe Black isn't real...
Death is real. I've seen his work...
I have kids. And the vast majority of kids I know aren’t assholes. Parents are, though.
Re your comment that being a kid sucks, why do you say that?
