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Well OVER 70% of Americans support same sex and interracial marriage rights

Yet, 157 Republicans voted against two consenting adults being able to get married regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin.

I don't get it. Unless they are bigoted morons, or trolling for votes.
 
Well OVER 70% of Americans support same sex and interracial marriage rights

Yet, 157 Republicans voted against two consenting adults being able to get married regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin.

I don't get it. Unless they are bigoted morons, or trolling for votes.
Easy. They are homophobic, possibly gay themselves, and are supported by equally hypocritical and homophobic supporters.
 
Well OVER 70% of Americans support same sex and interracial marriage rights

Yet, 157 Republicans voted against two consenting adults being able to get married regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin.

I don't get it. Unless they are bigoted morons, or trolling for votes.
We did not get a special law that traditional marriages don't even have...must be discrimination.
 
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That is not what Thomas suggested for any marriage.
Thomas wants the ruling reviewed to overturn it. While I am sure it will not retroactively impact marriages, a state making them illegal would attach a stigma to those grandfathered in.
 
Thomas wants the ruling reviewed to overturn it. While I am sure it will not retroactively impact marriages, a state making them illegal would attach a stigma to those grandfathered in.
Yes, but that does not mean he wants them illegal. Maybe he would like to see that, but that is not what his opinion means.
 
Yeah, he's all about Constitutional foundations and legal principles and all that shit... unless it might effect interracial marriage.
What kind of interracial marriage? I am going to be a bit of an ass here, but seems like male/male and female/female interracial marriages would fall under his opinion on Obergefell no? Or do we only care when interracial marriages are being discussed when it is a male and female?

Government has no real interest in gay marriages. They don't offer the same societal benefits that traditional marriages do. That will piss a bunch of you off, but whatever.
 
Well OVER 70% of Americans support same sex and interracial marriage rights

Yet, 157 Republicans voted against two consenting adults being able to get married regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin.

I don't get it. Unless they are bigoted morons, or trolling for votes.
Tell me when politicians represented the actual voter. For example, when IN had a R and D senator they almost always voted opposite of each other. If they were representing what the majority of voters wanted then both would have to vote the same way since each represents the whole state.
 
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What kind of interracial marriage? I am going to be a bit of an ass here, but seems like male/male and female/female interracial marriages would fall under his opinion on Obergefell no? Or do we only care when interracial marriages are being discussed when it is a male and female?

Government has no real interest in gay marriages. They don't offer the same societal benefits that traditional marriages do. That will piss a bunch of you off, but whatever.

I know several gays who have adopted and are great parents.

A story in today's paper, people running the foster parent programs are concerned that with Roe being overturned they aren't going to have nearly enough foster parents as they already are short. It seems a bad time to tell gays they aren't fit to be parents or don't make good parents so we shouldn't give them the same benefits.
 
Public opinion on same sex marriage has dramatically changed over the years. The overwhelming majority of Americans, like almost 90%, opposed it even in the 80s and 90s, so supporting same sex marriage was the radical / extreme position, right or wrong. Opinion started to change in this century, but the majority opposed as recently as about 10 years ago, and it was essentially 50-50 for several years after that until the Supreme Court legalized it by judicial fiat. Opinion was changing and it was clear that it was changing more and more in favor to get to where we are today. Legalizing same sex marriage should have been done state by state and eventually by congress nation-wide, not by judicial decisions. I feel the same way about Executive Orders. We elect our legislators to enact, revise and repeal laws. They should do their jobs. At this point, I'd advise the Republicans in the Senate not to filibuster the bill and have the Senators vote their conscience on it. I think it would pass and take another divisive issue off the table the right way.
 
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What kind of interracial marriage? I am going to be a bit of an ass here, but seems like male/male and female/female interracial marriages would fall under his opinion on Obergefell no? Or do we only care when interracial marriages are being discussed when it is a male and female?

Government has no real interest in gay marriages. They don't offer the same societal benefits that traditional marriages do. That will piss a bunch of you off, but whatever.
They provide a loving and family support structure which most of us crave. The ones I know are wonderful parents and tend to have a high income relatively speaking.
 
Easy. They are homophobic, possibly gay themselves, and are supported by equally hypocritical and homophobic supporters.
Not true at all actually. Most of them don’t really care. Our political system is broken and it’s a game. Same as when democrats shut down bills because they don’t include ALL of their own goofy shit.
 
Public opinion on same sex marriage has dramatically changed over the years. The overwhelming majority of Americans, like almost 90%, opposed it even in the 80s and 90s, so supporting same sex marriage was the radical / extreme position, right or wrong. Opinion started to change in this century, but the majority opposed as recently as about 10 years ago, and it was essentially 50-50 for several years after that until the Supreme Court legalized it by judicial fiat. Opinion was changing and it was clear that it was changing more and more in favor to get to where we are today. Legalizing same sex marriage should have been done state by state and eventually by congress nation-wide, not by judicial decisions. I feel the same way about Executive Orders. We elect our legislators to enact, revise and repeal laws. They should do their jobs. At this point, I'd advise the Republicans in the Senate not to filibuster the bill and have the Senators vote their conscience on it. I think it would pass and take another divisive issue off the table the right way.

I think this depends on what we think fundamental human rights are. We had a long period we accepted slavery because a majority thought it was wrong, but never enough to get laws passed in the South or in Washington. We were stuck with, "man, slavery is wrong, but there is nothing we can do so live your life in misery and know we'd do something if we could".

Then we hit that exact same problem with Jim Crow.

I don't see advocates of nearly universal gun ownership saying they need to win the hearts and minds to lead to more freely available gun ownership.

I would also point out that in this case, Loving and Obergefell are VERY similar. Was it OK for Loving to force interracial marriage on states not ready for it? Was Brown OK to force interracial schools on locations not ready to accept it?
 
I know several gays who have adopted and are great parents.

A story in today's paper, people running the foster parent programs are concerned that with Roe being overturned they aren't going to have nearly enough foster parents as they already are short. It seems a bad time to tell gays they aren't fit to be parents or don't make good parents so we shouldn't give them the same benefits.
They cannot produce children on their own without outside input. Literally impossible no matter the circumstances (don't come at me with infertility, not the same).

They adopt they can get the child tax credit like anyone else. The government already has a set aside for that. There is no compelling reason for the government to encourage gay marriages. They have a compelling reason for heterosexual marriages (those most likely to produce stable baby production platforms). Gay marriages are civil contracts basically. They are less stable than heterosexual marriages, particularly ones between gay men. They don't produce children which are almost a necessity for the way our safety net is set up. Lack of gay marriages would have no impact on civilization moving forward. Lack of heterosexual marriages is destabilizing.

So they are free to live with who they want and commit to who they want in any ceremony that they want but I see zero reason to pass a federal law currently to get involved in something they are already able to do.
 
They cannot produce children on their own without outside input. Literally impossible no matter the circumstances (don't come at me with infertility, not the same).

They adopt they can get the child tax credit like anyone else. The government already has a set aside for that. There is no compelling reason for the government to encourage gay marriages. They have a compelling reason for heterosexual marriages (those most likely to produce stable baby production platforms). Gay marriages are civil contracts basically. They are less stable than heterosexual marriages, particularly ones between gay men. They don't produce children which are almost a necessity for the way our safety net is set up. Lack of gay marriages would have no impact on civilization moving forward. Lack of heterosexual marriages is destabilizing.

So they are free to live with who they want and commit to who they want in any ceremony that they want but I see zero reason to pass a federal law currently to get involved in something they are already able to do.
There are a host of reasons besides the tax breaks. Insurance? Social Security? Medical Decisions? Inheritance? I see no logical reason to tell one group of people they are second-class citizens. You do. That is your right, you are free to treat them as second-class. I do not yield to the government the right to do so.
 
Well OVER 70% of Americans support same sex and interracial marriage rights

Yet, 157 Republicans voted against two consenting adults being able to get married regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin.

I don't get it. Unless they are bigoted morons, or trolling for votes.
There's a small yet vocal - and seemingly powerful - sect of puritanical zealots in our federal government who are able to stay in power due to the aforementioned gerrymandering. That's my guess.
 
Yeah, he's all about Constitutional foundations and legal principles and all that shit... unless it might effect interracial marriage.
Spot on. In his Dobbs concurrence, Thomas referenced Griswold (contraception), Lawrence (same-sex relationships) and Obergefell (same-sex marriage) as due process precedents that need to be "reconsidered," but he conveniently omitted another due process precedent, Loving, that he obviously benefits from. Effing hypocrite. And Ginni is nutso.
 
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Tell me when politicians represented the actual voter. For example, when IN had a R and D senator they almost always voted opposite of each other. If they were representing what the majority of voters wanted then both would have to vote the same way since each represents the whole state.

When 100% of the state becomes R or D then that would make sense. The republican douches representing our state do not represent me in the slightest. Thank you gerrymandering for taking away my voice.

If you think any of the politicians give one shit about how their constituents of the opposite party feel then you aren't following along
 
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Yes, but that does not mean he wants them illegal. Maybe he would like to see that, but that is not what his opinion means.
Thomas' concurring opinion in the recent Dobbs case leaves no doubt he will push for the Supreme Court to overrule the Supreme Court precedent allowing contraceptives (Griswold), decriminalization of same-sex sexual activity (Lawrence) and allowing same-sex marriages (Obergefell).

There is no need to guess what Thomas intends to do -- he already told us, in his own words.

Thomas wrote (p. 2 of his concurring opinion):
"As I have previously explained, “substantive due process” is an oxymoron that “lack any basis in the Constitution.”​


He then wrote (p. 3 of his concurring opinion):

"For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any sub- stantive due process decision is “demonstrably erroneous,” Ramos v. Louisiana, 590 U. S. ___, ___ (2020) (THOMAS, J., concurring in judgment) (slip op., at 7), we have a duty to “correct the error” established in those precedents, Gamble v. United States, 587 U. S. ___, ___ (2019) (THOMAS, J., con- curring) (slip op., at 9). After overruling these demonstrably erroneous decisions, the question would remain whether other constitutional provisions guarantee the myriad rights that our substantive due process cases have generated."​

Here is a link to the entire Dobbs opinion ( plus appendices, concurring and dissenting opinions). Let's see if you can read the whole thing:

 
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194-8 against contraception for the GOP
220-0 for contraception for the Democrats

Which party seems out of touch with America on this issue?
 
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What kind of interracial marriage? I am going to be a bit of an ass here, but seems like male/male and female/female interracial marriages would fall under his opinion on Obergefell no? Or do we only care when interracial marriages are being discussed when it is a male and female?

Government has no real interest in gay marriages. They don't offer the same societal benefits that traditional marriages do. That will piss a bunch of you off, but whatever.
What kind of interracial marriage does Thomas want to protect? Uh, his own, maybe?
 
What’s going on here? You’d think they were becoming the American Taliban with how far right they’re leaning. I always thought anti- birth control was just the Catholic Church.

It's not so much they're voting against contraception as it is they can't be seen to be cooperating with the socialist pedo lizard people.
 
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