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[Marvin the Martian]

Take it up with God. The way to heaven is through Christ, not good deeds. Also, there are plenty of verses in the Bible that says Christians should be charitable. Brad should have chosen one of those to try to make his point.

I can't reconcile the statement above with the quote here:

"You don’t have to give any money away in order to go to heaven."

It becomes hard to see how someone, let's say with $7 billion dollars as his quote started this, could lead the life he is called to lead by God and not ever, not one time, give. John 3:17 below would be my take on the idea.

Luke 6:30 "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."​

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Proverbs 3:27 "Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act."​

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1 John 3:17 "If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?​

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Hebrews 13:16 "And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased."​

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Deuteronomy 15:11 There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land​

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Hebrews 6:10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them.​

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Hebrews 13:16 And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.​

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Matthew 5:42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.​

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Philippians 2:4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.​

 

[snarlcakes]

I can't reconcile the statement above with the quote here:

"You don’t have to give any money away in order to go to heaven."

It becomes hard to see how someone, let's say with $7 billion dollars as his quote started this, could lead the life he is called to lead by God and not ever, not one time, give. John 3:17 below would be my take on the idea.

Luke 6:30 "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."​

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Proverbs 3:27 "Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act."​

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1 John 3:17 "If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?​

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Hebrews 13:16 "And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased."​

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Deuteronomy 15:11 There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land​

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Hebrews 6:10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them.​

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Hebrews 13:16 And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.​

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Matthew 5:42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.​

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Philippians 2:4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.​

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But it's hard to read that verse and not think individuals who want to go to the Christian heaven better give their money to the poor (not their kids--see I'm trying to save souls here!) before they die.

Not a lot of eyes of needles big enough to fit a camel, then or now.

Brad claimed Christians better give their money to poor in order to go to heaven. Giving money to the poor isn’t necessarily going to get you into heaven or keep you from heaven.

You don’t have to give any money away in order to go to heaven.

I was being flippant to make a point in response to Brad. You are correct Christians should be charitable and help the less fortunate.

 

[Bowlmania]

This is what you get after 1600 years of christianization driven by the elites. Before the Germanic tribes started to convert, Christianity was exactly the opposite, a religion of the poor and oppressed. There's a reason Jesus ate with tax collectors and sinners.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that the original understanding of Christianity very likely meant that yes, you did need to give all your money away to find salvation.

I have to laugh at so-called Christians (and not just here) who tie themselves in knots trying to explain away the "rich man/eye of a needle" passage. It couldn't be clearer. And the idea is further supported at Luke 12.48: "From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded."

Also, it's interesting that many/most of the people who provide a distorted interpretation of the rich man story are hardly rich themselves. It doesn't apply to them at all. Oh wait - - Trump. Never mind.

Argentina's president-elect has referred to Pope Francis as a "filthy leftist." I'm sure Jesus would get a lot of that if he walked the earth today.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I was being flippant to make a point in response to Brad. You are correct Christians should be charitable and help the less fortunate.

Great, that is the point we agree on. Thanks. I've known people such things as showy wealth is important as it shows God has blessed one. I'm not a fan of that thought.

And on the reverse, I'm not a fan of people making a big deal about giving. One shouldn't give so others think better of them, it should be because they feel doing so is what God wants them to do and/or just treating others as one wishes to be treated. Giving to get a reward isn't in the spirit.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Great, that is the point we agree on. Thanks. I've known people such things as showy wealth is important as it shows God has blessed one. I'm not a fan of that thought.

And on the reverse, I'm not a fan of people making a big deal about giving. One shouldn't give so others think better of them, it should be because they feel doing so is what God wants them to do and/or just treating others as one wishes to be treated. Giving to get a reward isn't in the spirit.

Giving in an obnoxiously showy way is the same as praying in public.

 

[Bowlmania]

'The Road to Hell is Paved by Good Works'.

I have no idea who or what you're quoting. The saying is "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Here are a couple of biblical passages regarding good works.

"What is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food and one of you says to them, 'Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,' and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? So faith, by itself, if it has no works, is dead." James 2.14-17.

One more: "Then he will say to those at his left hand: 'You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they will answer, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?' Then he will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25.41-46.

You should open the New Testament once in a while.

 

[outside shooter]

It’s “The Shot”. If it doesn’t kill you in this life, it will get you in the afterlife.

word of the day

ultracrepidarian

ul·tra·crep·i·dar·i·an
/ˌəltrəkrepəˈderēən/

noun
a person who expresses opinions on matters outside the scope of their knowledge or expertise.

synonym: you

 

[snarlcakes]

ul·tra·crep·i·dar·i·an
/ˌəltrəkrepəˈderēən/

noun
a person who expresses opinions on matters outside the scope of their knowledge or expertise.

Wrong again. The Dream Teamers are the experts when it comes to discussing the effects of “the jab” in the afterlife.

 

[outside shooter]

Dream Teamers are the experts when it comes to discussing the effects of “the jab” in the afterlife.

Does being brain dead give insights on real death?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

me @JamieDimonsBalls @twenty02 will go down to bloomington and tell him in person. it'll be glorious.

I’d be on the first shuttle down

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

@twenty02 @JamieDimonsBalls @larsIU @BradStevens gents let's make a pact. if ss ends up insolvent and marv and mark have to go back to work we buy a business in bloomington and make them work it. each kick in 20%. fed ex route. mark can drive and marv can run the packages. or alternate. maybe a food truck? make em sling tacos. something.

Lol I wouldn’t want 80 year old Mark driving a truck. But they can certainly clean the restrooms!

 

[dbmhoosier]

Correct. Haley supporters are some dumb MF'ers.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Correct. Haley supporters are some dumb MF'ers.

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That's a pretty stupid statement when Haley polls best against Biden over Trump and DeSantis. I's not just pretty stupid, it's asinine.

Check the polls out at RealClearPolitics:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

And specifically Haley vs. Biden:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general_election_haley_vs_biden-8127.html

Trump's polls are squeakers, and that's before he's a convicted felon. He's a two-time popular vote loser. He's a loser and his slavishly devoted followers are losers. Dump Trump.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Wow she just got bodied.

 

[twenty02]

Wow she just got bodied.

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Being the main target of attacks is a great sign for her momentum. Politics101. Nobody goes after someone they are beating

 

[twenty02]

That's a pretty stupid statement when Haley polls best against Biden over Trump and DeSantis. I's not just pretty stupid, it's asinine.

Check the polls out at RealClearPolitics:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

And specifically Haley vs. Biden:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general_election_haley_vs_biden-8127.html

Trump's polls are squeakers, and that's before he's a convicted felon. He's a two-time popular vote loser. He's a loser and his slavishly devoted followers are losers. Dump Trump.

She's running on avg 2 to 3 points better than Trump matching up against Biden.

She needs to beat DeSantis in Iowa, which would end his campaign. And then onto New Hampshire which is always unpredictable, but she's running much closer to Trump there than nationally. Poll out this week has her only down 15 to Trump in NH. Trump is stuck in the low 40s there. If that ends up close, then you've got a race.

 

[UncleMark]

It is going to be hard in 2033 to tell Mark (and me, I will be 73 then and retired one way or another) that we must go back to work because retirement has been moved to 80.

me @JamieDimonsBalls @twenty02 will go down to bloomington and tell him in person. it'll be glorious.

I won't live that long. Give mine to Marv.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Wow she just got bodied.

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Ramaswamy is as much of a liar as Trump, he just doesn’t sound quite as unhinged. He’s a total nonstarter for me. He should drop out now.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Ramaswamy is as much of a liar as Trump, he just doesn’t sound quite as unhinged. He’s a total nonstarter for me. He should drop out now.

He's clearly campaigning to be the default replacement if Trump goes to prison.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Just a reminder: we are absolutely not playing the pseudo-racist game of using Haley's first name or maiden name as a way to remind people she's brown. I dare you to test me on this.

 

[snarlcakes]

Wow she just got bodied.

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This one is embarrassing. Haley has no clue, because she's not real intelligent.

 

[mcmurtry66]

This one is embarrassing. Haley has no clue, because she's not real intelligent.

Her expression couldn’t be worse. Destroyed her in that clip

 

[Marvin the Martian]

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This one is embarrassing. Haley has no clue, because she's not real intelligent.

What makes anyone think Putin's top cheerleader could name 3?

 

[snarlcakes]

What makes anyone think Putin's top cheerleader could name 3?

Wanting to end a war doesn't make someone Putin's cheerleader. You don't think its embarrassing she couldn't name them?

 

[mcmurtry66]

What makes anyone think Putin's top cheerleader could name 3?

With as much as we have sent them you’d think she’d be able to answer

 

[snarlcakes]

Her expression couldn’t be worse. Destroyed her in that clip

I know you don't care about this type of stuff, but it pisses me off. Haley's first instincts are not very conservative on some issues in my opinion. This should have been a no brainer. Her take on the anonymous accounts on social media being another example. Also, what did she accomplish as Governor? And how does it compare to DeSantis?

 

[snarlcakes]

Her expression couldn’t be worse. Destroyed her in that clip

She could have a buried him on that exchange, but Vivek knew she didn't have clue.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

With as much as we have sent them you’d think she’d be able to answer

I don't know if she can, she should be able to. What evidence is there he can?

I love policy wonks, I would love presidents who eat, sleep, drink the details. There is a huge segment of America that hates wonks, find it not just unnecessary but bad as that is just showing off. They want big picture people that decide by their gut, they don't need to even hear the details as their gut knows the answer.

So to suddenly find those people loving Vivek "Let's give Ukraine to Russia" for this clip is just crazy. Especially since most love the previous president who was notorious for being disengaged from details.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I don't know if she can, she should be able to. What evidence is there he can?

I love policy wonks, I would love presidents who eat, sleep, drink the details. There is a huge segment of America that hates wonks, find it not just unnecessary but bad as that is just showing off. They want big picture people that decide by their gut, they don't need to even hear the details as their gut knows the answer.

So to suddenly find those people loving Vivek "Let's give Ukraine to Russia" for this clip is just crazy. Especially since most love the previous president who was notorious for being disengaged from details.

I’m not sure he’d support what appears to be an endless atm tho. But I get your larger point

 

[mcmurtry66]

I don't know if she can, she should be able to. What evidence is there he can?

I love policy wonks, I would love presidents who eat, sleep, drink the details. There is a huge segment of America that hates wonks, find it not just unnecessary but bad as that is just showing off. They want big picture people that decide by their gut, they don't need to even hear the details as their gut knows the answer.

So to suddenly find those people loving Vivek "Let's give Ukraine to Russia" for this clip is just crazy. Especially since most love the previous president who was notorious for being disengaged from details.

I don’t really like any of the three. I wish you could hit a button and 3 new ones would come out. It’s incredible how few choices we get

 

[dbmhoosier]

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This one is embarrassing. Haley has no clue, because she's not real intelligent.

Her expression couldn’t be worse. Destroyed her in that clip

Reminds me of the Rick Perry oops moment. Career ender.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Reminds me of the Rick Perry oops moment. Career ender.

Nah the options are so bad she will be fine

 

[BradStevens]

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This one is embarrassing. Haley has no clue, because she's not real intelligent.

He did succeed in puncturing her expertise cloak and she doesn’t “look” smart in that clip. I have no doubt Vivek is the highest IQ guy on that stage.

But his tactics—running on and sowing mistrust in our institutions—are disqualifying for me, even if he’d be a ruthless protector of US interests while in office.

 

[mcmurtry66]

He did succeed in puncturing her expertise cloak and she doesn’t “look” smart in that clip. I have no doubt Vivek is the highest IQ guy on that stage.

But his tactics—running on and sowing mistrust in our institutions—are disqualifying for me, even if he’d be a ruthless protector of US interests while in office.

concur

 

[snarlcakes]

He did succeed in puncturing her expertise cloak and she doesn’t “look” smart in that clip. I have no doubt Vivek is the highest IQ guy on that stage.

But his tactics—running on and sowing mistrust in our institutions—are disqualifying for me, even if he’d be a ruthless protector of US interests while in office.

It’s not Vivek sowing distrust in the institutions. It’s the institutions sowing the distrust. Is it his fault the U.S. government was in cahoots with Twitter during Covid? Or the Russian hoax?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Nah the options are so bad she will be fine

She will end up on the loser pile, exposed as little more than another failed warmonger, along with Romney, Chaney, cryin' Kinzinger, Buck, and other MIC tools.

 

[mcmurtry66]

She will end up on the loser pile, exposed as little more than another failed warmonger, along with Romney, Chaney, cryin' Kinzinger, Buck, and other MIC tools.

as long as trump avoids jail before the election i have no doubt he'll be the nominee

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

What makes anyone think Putin's top cheerleader could name 3?

Who is President Putin's top cheerleader?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

He did succeed in puncturing her expertise cloak and she doesn’t “look” smart in that clip. I have no doubt Vivek is the highest IQ guy on that stage.

But his tactics—running on and sowing mistrust in our institutions—are disqualifying for me, even if he’d be a ruthless protector of US interests while in office.

Please share which of 'our institutions' you trust?

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

It’s not Vivek sowing distrust in the institutions. It’s the institutions sowing the distrust. Is it his fault the U.S. government was in cahoots with Twitter during Covid? Or the Russian hoax?

just because you buy into the conspiracies doesn't make them true