Agree. Neither are certainties. Ware is not a certain 1st rounder right now based upon multiple mock drafts.
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I am struggling to understand why Woodson took the job. The only thing I can come up with that”s reasonable is he thought it would be easy. Get NIL lined up and get a couple five stars and roll Hoosiers. He had to be completely out of touch with the actual requirements to build a strong nationally competitive program.
I hope he stays,then we do not need Queen maybe get a shooting guard out of the portal. One who is a proven shooter not a freshman.
How can you say that? CMW is trying to get IU back to its glory days. MY 1 fault with CMW is trying to win quickly hence the 5 stars.
I thought he was black on one side and native on the other. Either way he would fall under the POC banner to get the liberal left all ramped up.
That’s my point. He tried to take what he thought was the easy path to success. He isn’t pursuing a long term build of the program. Before the season even started he was extolling the great success in recruiting. My thought was at the time was -are you freaking kidding me. All coaches are trying for success. That is exactly why it’s hard. The doing part takes an enormous amount of work and trying to take shortcuts almost certainly gets you lost in the woods.
But there are already people calling for his head half way through year three because of a bad year after the first two NCAA appearances in what, 6 years? Had he gone the slow roll 5 year build it through recruiting 3 and 4 stars and coaching them up, how many more would be calling for blood?
That and he thought it would be fun to hang out with his old buddies imo I think he thought everyone loved him and it would just be a grand old time with minimum effort. I have a hard time believing he is busting his hump24/7 for this job. Up til 3am watching film. I doubt he is. Three fall recruits in two years is all he got. It's nothing but a spring scramble to throw a roster together.
He's completely out of touch and has a massive ego. Genuinely believed that if he could win 40% of his games in the NBA he could win 80% in college in his sleep. While obviously the opposite is true. It's much tougher to succeed as a coach in college than the pros. The NBA is all about having elite talent and an owner and GM that establish a winning culture. The coach is an after thought. Woody hasn't known anything but the NBA for 43 years. It's why he fired Fife and Matta and brought in Hill and Whittman who knows absolutely nothing about college basketball.
Just a truly baffling hire. Worse than Archie who at least had college experience.
I think he is too old for all that hard work. That's is why he barely lands any fall recruits. He gets them all in short window spring recruitments.
I may be wrong but I believe if IU fans see season on season improvement and have reasonably high expectations for the future development of the players and the team they will have patience and look forward to the future. This contrasts currently with every season is a new day and let’s see who we can get from the portal and freshman that have the five star stamp of approval from some rating service that can be trotted out as a recruiting success.
“If” uhm you can bank that one- it’s NIT or nada this season- teams don’t get at large with zero Q-1 wins.
Correct. When you are building a program you are putting together three or four man fall classes and younger players are showing improvements. Sure a few teams did well throwing together spring portal players but it's not a recipe for long term success. I see no culture under Woodson at all. If there is one I don't know what it is.
UK fans were calling for Callipari's head last year from just one down year. I don't think either IU or UK's fan bases have patience for anything but clear paths to final fours and contending for titles in this instant gratification society we live in.
You are comparing iu to Kentucky? He has had alot more success than us the last 20 years and they still want him gone. Their standards are much higher.
Most IU fans would be content with a coach who makes the tourney almost every year (should be easy at IU) and makes a deep run once in a while. Very realistic expectations. Sampson would still be here if he hadn't been fired. Crean's issue is that he was weird as all hell and kept having all those fall of the cliff years where the NIT was almost a pipe dream.
Every single hire IU has made post-Knight has been completely mind blowing. Sampson is a fantastic coach but John Beilein was available.
Every single hire IU has made post-Knight has been completely mind blowing. Sampson is a fantastic coach but John Beilein was available.
A lot of you are forgetting about some of coach Woodson’s big wins this season. The 69-68 classic over Morehead State at home will be a factor in the eyes of the NIT selection committee.
We are just waiting for Quinn, Dolson, Aloha, and Willdog to decide the same thing as every thinking Hoosier now knows- Woody top 32 is his top achievement in his tenure at IU- so marginally better than Archie and worse than all other coaches since Knight- well technically he tied Sampson who won a first round game in his lone full season at IU as a 7-seed. Just wish Aloha and Willdog actually knew the college game as fan base needs to be aligned.
Guess that’s why they play the games! 2 more opportunities in the next week. Got to lose them first!
The expectations are the most important. If IU fans see a multi season path forward to a championship the majority will buy in.. if they see flailing around season to season the coach will be on the hot seat that much sooner.
100%! I just cannot believe what I am watching when he sees us go down 10 and leaves the cheerleaders in the game. I’m screaming at the TV, “Somebody wake him up!”
Archie would've been fired after year 2 if not for that massive buyout. Davis and Sampson were only hired because they were minorities. You could probably say the same for Woody given that his buddy Buckner essentially hired him.
Kelvin Sampson is and always will be a cheating scumbag. The president of the coaches association formed a task force to look into illegal contacts calling them the next most effective form of cheating other than playing players. That coaches association president was Kelvin Sampson two years before he was caught making hundreds of illegal calls over 5 years. He was on probation when IU hired him and then IU failed to even check in on his conduct, until he was caught making several more illegal calls and texts. He single handedly completely shattered IU's image as a cleaner than any program, especially as you still have IU fans whining about his firing, "but it was only phone calls man!"
This is exactly right. Evidence is Crean. Crean got time to mega clean house — the fans were supportive and very patient. The first two years were absolutely brutal, but the fans could see the recruiting slowly picking up and a path to something better, so everyone waited in a supportive way.
Hard to see what IU is building right now, and Woody started from a much better spot than Tom.
Crean was getting three years no matter what cause he started with no scholarship players and there was no portal. But had he not gotten zelle he probably would have been gone after year 4. Plus he was starting to line up the famous movement class amoung others.
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Yea. Year 4 had to show something.
Key takeaway is our fans can be reasonably patient. 8 conference wins in three years was rough!
Bloomington is not a hotbed for minorities.,you have not heard of the stories of how to conduct yourself off campus.
How do you know QB is in control of anything?
Or are you just talking out of your ass?
You continue to spew dumb garbage. Do you actually believe what you say?
Yep. But I can safely say after 2.5 years Woodson doesn't have it.. I said the same about archie after season 2. The only way Woodson can even reach the round of 32 is with massive talent or an all American. He simply isn't a good coach. Did quinn honestly think we could make final fours with him? If so quinn doesn't know dork about coaching.
Bottom line is dolson's name is on the hire but quinn hired Woodson. No way woodson was dolsond idea.
I agree on Woody — as I’ve posted his results are awful for all advantages IU provides (big time NIL/budget). I’m not advocating for keeping him, I’m only saying our fans are reasonable.
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