Shitty coaching
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The two sunshine pumpers are much older than average on this board and neither shows any knowledge of IU hoops. They only get upset that we don’t see Woody as being anything other than a far less than average college coach.
You can call me sunshine pumper but i speak the truth ,it will take a while for the team to gel especialyl with x on the bench.
It's just common sense we hired a guy with zero college experience no other colleges ever wanted. And older iu players had screamed for years about hiring an iu guy
I was waiting for you to say that. We are all supposed to be tickled we have a coach nobody wanted who never coached college. What am I thinking.
You don’t enjoy getting beat by 30 against top 15 competition?
Well, Woody has made 2 tourney appearances, something Archie never did. Payne's record is under 500 I believe and they are a mess. I think Woody's earned more good will than Payne has, even if he inherited a much bigger mess. They're still a mess.
You serve are very passionate,I can disagree you but your opinion doesnot help.
Woody isn’t a college nor a guy to run a major college program. I love what he did as a player here but he is not a good coach at all.
I knew were were in trouble when Woodson starting scheduling all these preseason games vs top 10 teams. His ego blinded him to the fact we would likely get killed. He thinks we aree 1981 I IU i guess with Isiah running the point
The majority of IU fans have seen enough basketball that win or lose they can see a well coached vs a poorly coached team. This team does not pass the eye test. They are not a well coached team. They are not close to being competitive at the national level.
My kids are 24 and 22 and they’ve never seen us win in Madison. YIKES!
He is a man and he does have a job …. I’ll give you that
Its not about ego. Its about building a program. I like the idea of playing tough teams but you guys were crying when he played lesser teams.
Building a program requires mostly grunt work. You cannot build a program by just doing high visibility media flash. Doing the flash and not the tough stuff just results in embarrassment.
Woodson will get this year and next. If he gets canned I'm certain we'll need to live with this at least that long.
I thought coming in at least Coach Woodson would be able to teach defense and rebounding at a high level. Doesn't seem to be happening.
I thought coming in at least Coach Woodson would be able to teach defense and rebounding at a high level. Doesn't seem to be happening.
They won't can one of their own. He will have to be talked into leaving
I don't think he's leaving while earning 4 million dollars a year. I think he's living his retirement and getting paid well to do it. But, I do think that's the best path to moving forward. If Dolson can find a donor(s), we'll have to pay him out and then bring in the guy you want. If they could position it him retiring for his health/happiness that would save face and not divide the fanbase or embarass a former player.
Several articles at the time included this statement (this from SI)
“A person familiar with the inner workings at Indiana, who predicted several hours before the news broke that Woodson would get the job, described Buckner as “a bulldozer” in the process.”
Indiana Digs Into Its Past in Search of Return to Glory With Mike Woodson Hire
Indiana Hoosiers place hopes of a return to NCAA championship contention on Mike Woodson, despite his lack of college coaching experience.
QB made it very clear publicly that he supported the hire and told a golfing story that included both of them along with Scott May.
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Golfing buddies can create a ton of heartache for others and not a comforting backstory for the IU head coaching decision.
Sean May who spurned us for UNC?Several articles at the time included this statement (this from SI)
“A person familiar with the inner workings at Indiana, who predicted several hours before the news broke that Woodson would get the job, described Buckner as “a bulldozer” in the process.”
Indiana Digs Into Its Past in Search of Return to Glory With Mike Woodson Hire
Indiana Hoosiers place hopes of a return to NCAA championship contention on Mike Woodson, despite his lack of college coaching experience.www.si.com
QB made it very clear publicly that he supported the hire and told a golfing story that included both of them along with Sean May.
One thing I approve of is Woody’s scheduling. We had way too many cupcakes, and if you have a bball program you may as well play the best or what’s the point. It should also help us improve.
Now, we have been getting killed vs the good teams, which his bad, but at least we know where we stand vs teams like KU and UConn, and if we ever get good it will be fun to play big games and we’ll be glad we scheduled them.
Now, we have been getting killed vs the good teams, which his bad, but at least we know where we stand vs teams like KU and UConn, and if we ever get good it will be fun to play big games and we’ll be glad we scheduled them.
I’m guessing some of the schools we have played in these games are going to drop IU. Self already kind of alluded to that.
While I appreciate the effort and tough talk, all these games have really served to accomplish is embarrassment on the national stage. They’ve contributed to Woody setting a record for getting run off the floor and having a greater number of large margin defeats than even Crean or Archie had. Our style of play doesn’t give us a chance against these schools.
If we are getting killed in these games, and we have top-10 NIL and athletic department budget in the country, I guess we need a change.
We can’t hide. I guess we could play terrible teams pre-conf and then we get to the B1G and struggle. We are who we are, may as well try and beat the best.
KU may go away but we pick up UK again, which is good.
We can’t hide. I guess we could play terrible teams pre-conf and then we get to the B1G and struggle. We are who we are, may as well try and beat the best.
KU may go away but we pick up UK again, which is good.
IU KU is a good national draw game but IU KY will be better.
If nothing changes, we will just get the sh!t kicked out of us against them too.
I'm not saying anything negative about JN, more about our expectations as fans. I don't know what he'd be like, just like you don't. I see a lot of folks on here talking like his not being able to play is a huge loss for this team, and I think history has shown most freshmen don't make much of an impact.
So dumb. None of us have any say in what they do with Woodson. You must have a highly inflated opinion about your influence. Bottom line is we see the same issues such as poor shooting, insufficient guard play, substandard defense too often, etc., etc., but I don't share your opinion that it's impossible to turn this around. Woodson had the team playing well in the Big Ten last year and it could happen this year. You have no need to attack those of us that have opinions that aren't as dire as yours. I only pushed back on the Negative Nancies and started making fun of the more hysterical of you after I tired of you attacking other posters for not agreeing with your perpetually pessimistic opinions and treating your opinions as if they're facts. I'm good with facts, I'm not good with you guys attacking others for not agreeing with your opinions. Stop that and you can convene as many meetings of the NNW&CC as you'd like - and enjoy them. I won't attend and ruin your whine party.
I do not whine, and I don't stay perpetually pessimistic. I enjoy when the team is playing well and don't dwell on a particular weakness during those games - note those as things they will work on going forward. Unless IU loses out or have some sort of major internal personnel issues (lots of drugs, crime, etc.), Woodson is a near 100 percent lock to be our coach next year. That will be the year that determines if he gets another year. All your whining and misery this year is doing nothing at all for anyone. I suppose it could be good for you if whining, perpetual pessimism and being miserable somehow makes you happy. I don't get it, but maybe that's the case for you.
I became all for replacing Miller during his fourth year when it was clear to me, in my opinion, that he just wasn't going to get it done here. I honestly didn't think it would happen. Without whining about it I expressed my opinion that he was probably not going to work out and also that he'd probably not be fired due to his buy out. I was surprised and pleased that it happened.
I thought Crean underachieved all but one year, two if I'm generous, but the good year(s) gave me a little hope. It was clear to me, in my opinion, that he was done the last couple years, and I expressed that opinion without whining and hysterics.
Sampson should never have been hired and I said that at the time and during his tenure I watched the games without much enthusiasm. It's the only time in my life I was totally apathetic about IU basketball.
Davis shouldn't have been made permanent coach after his first year.
I wouldn't have fired Knight. His last three or four years were the genesis of the NNW&CC, but no one called them that. Knight had finally gotten the sorts of players on the team and coming in (like JJ) that would work for him and his system - the same team that went to the championship under the truly poor coaching of Mike Davis. It was opinion at the time that Knight was on the verge of Final Four and possible championship. I was attacked for that opinion, by the way, by those with negative opinions that believed their opinions were facts. FACT is we did NOT know - we had and have opinions.
Bottom line: Stop attacking those with less dire opinions, and I'll leave you and your club alone. We can have a truce. And calling me out in a post for not sharing your opinion is an attack. Saying those of us that don't share your dire opinions or whine when we do (actually I agree with much of the factual criticism) don't know basketball is also an attack, and childishly stupid. I'll let it slide this time, but I will push back anytime it happens (if I see it) going forward.
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Some myths that need to be addressed.
1) IU didn't turn in Sampson for the violations, the NCAA informed IU of the violations. IU's internal investigation confirmed the NCAA's allegations. Sampson subsequently resigned.
2) IU could NOT have kept Sampson even if it wanted to. The NCAA gave Sampson a five year "show cause" penalty and no university could hire him (or keep him in IU's case). Sampson could only coach in the NBA during those five years and he did.
Those that periodically claim IU should have kept Sampson need to know it wasn't possible. That's before taking into account that the crap was about to hit the fan for team drug use by some key players on the team.
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