I think you're feeding the troll. I hope for his sake he is a troll. In any event, his posts aren't worth responses.
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There wouldn't be a massive protest over Woodson getting fired. That's silly. Black coaches (and white coaches) get fired all the time.
I don't even think it's that big a risk. As I've said: take them out for a blow and to cool down and make sure they're not on tilt or in a bad frame of mind and they understand they can't afford another foul. Give them any instructions and then get them back in. If they are going to get to 5 fouls, they've got to get at least 3 in one half, so play them in the first because if you don't you might not even need them in the second.
overall I'd agree. But, I guarantee if he were to get let go, there would be talk about why the other coaches got longer and the black HC was let go quicker.
Could be.....at this point you can't start him. All you can do is put him in for a few minutes in the first half. If he plays well give him more time, if he sucks sit him back down for the half or for the game. Rinse and repeat. if he strings together a # of good games, reevaluate. If he quits, so be it.
Purdue fan here again, rewatched the 99 women's title game recently again. One of our stars got three fouls in the first half, and was still playing until 2 minutes to go in the half, because the coaches trusted her to stay smart. She finished with 3 fouls for the game playing the whole 2nd half.
Now that to me is risky. I have no problem sitting someone w 3 in the first half, but I think it's dumb to do it with 2.
PS: and folks say PU bball hasn't accomplished anything nationally. Looky there!
Some talk yes, but he screwed the pooch with Indiana fans when he dumped Matta and Fife and subsequently sucked. In going that route he effectively said "I've got this" when it's now obvious he didn't know what the hell he was doing.
Nationally, there was always a ton of skepticism about the hire. Nobody would be shocked by the fire.
I"m not saying it might not be justifiable, but I am certain there would be some backlash (que Steven A) from the experts and pundits. The best way Dolson could play it, if he felt he needed to make a change, would be to work out an exit package with Woody and have him say he's retiring because of the impact on his personal life, ala Urban Meyer.
I think with the head case X is, he's way more likely to play better if you start him. Sitting him is too big a blow to his ego. Woody probably either needs to convince him to "push the reset button" and start him with an agreement on acceptable behavior (I don't want to say "zero tolerance", but there it is!), or sit or even suspend/dismiss him. My thought is just with all the BS we know about, I'm guessing there's even more that's gone on behind the scenes and it may help explain some of the disjointed play of the team.
The problem becomes someone making it a trend. Remember the people most likely to throw a tantrum are not sports savvy. IU has had 3 black head coaches:
Mike Davis 6 years including a national title game and 4 NCAA appearances. FIRED
Kelvin Samson 2 years FIRED
Mike Woodson 3 years FIRED
That is why I say from an optics viewpoint, Woodson needs to be given 5 years OR step down voluntarily giving health as an excuse.
Like many here, I don’t like a whole lot of things about the Woodson tenure. But I’m in the camp that he is going to get another year. Whether warranted or not, another change at this point would not reflect well on the appeal of this job to future coaching prospects. And if MM and Malik stay (maybe even Ware, because he is potentially sliding to the 2nd round) - there is the possibility of a good season next year if he can get a couple of guards out of the portal. That’s a lot of “ifs”, but it’s possible.
That's what happens when you hire a former player. You cannot fire them so maybe just maybe you want to make sure they can coach college ball first.
Anything is possible but it does not make it likely. He needs very superior talent to win period. In theory we could win 20 games next year but last year was woodsons ceiling. I don't ever see him making the sweet sixeteen.
But I guess he cannot be fired because he is black per some posters. So the question is why would you ever hire another black guy knowing they cannot be fired?
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I am guessing Kenny Payne at Louisville is safe after this year because Stephen S might yell and scream if he gets fired. BLM protests to follow.
Woodson isn't getting replaced this year, unless it's his decision. He'll get at least one more year so it won't even be an issue.
C'mon. No one thought of JHS as a 1 and done. TJD got much better, especially handling the ball, passing and especially passing out of double teams. Reanu has improved a ton. Ware is playing much better than last year and the reputation he developed. You have an agenda if you're not at least going to give Woody a little credit there.
Agreed. Hopefully lesson learned by Woodson.
I sometimes wonder if he's still not used to how much weaker his bench players are. In the NBA your bench is not your best, but the drop-off isn't that much. You can put your bench in and count on them to at least maintain.
I don't think so either, but I'm just saying if he was, there'd be some comments that he didn't get a fair shot, and in comparison to, oh let's say Archie Miller, it would be hard to argue against.
Also, longer games, older players and longer season. You gotta use your bench in the pros!
He will never get fired not because of his skin color it's because he is former player who is beloved by the old guard that quinn controls
Quinn is older than Woodson, he won't be around forever either. The Trustees are the last vestige of people working at the university who have any direct connection to the RMK glory days.
Payne is in his second year with UL coming off a BIG scandal. He's safe until after year 6 short of another scandal IMO.
Correct but we will have to wait til they are gone which in quinn's case could still be awhile. So in the meantime we are stuck with Woodson for as long as quinn wants to keep him around so they can keep watching old 1976 tapes together.
what prison are you in? would have to assume to rewatch a womans basketball game from 1999 the warden is punishing you and playing it on a loop
At least that doesn’t sound boring.
Why don’t they build the wax museum and get it over with?
I prefer women's hoops to men's. The men's game is NBA lite, all punkin and dunkin. I would rather watch paint dry than most men's games anymore. The women play below the rim and its much more about spacing, passing, and good position defense. Having grown up on the Keady/Knight rivalry its more the style of play that I enjoy. Also our current women's team is about on the level of IU's mens team. so a little nostalgia is understandable.
Exactly I mean that's really what this hire was all about was to relive the glory days. Quinn got dolson on board and the old guard as off and running
What's sad about this is that this team doesn't play anything like RMK's old teams. And I don't mean system-wise. I mean, fundamentals and such.
This team couldn't be further from a typical RMK team...
There are no absolutes. If this gets really toxic in late February and home games are half empty with the team getting booed off the floor, hold on to your hat. IU cannot afford to park the cash cow in the pond.
Too many pronouns for me to keep up with in the girls game
Dolson doesn't have the guts. May and Buckner aren't going to let their buddy get fired.
That is true but it would have been nice for Woody to have enough flexibility to adapt to the circumstance (Ie we were basically losing the game in the first half).
I get taking them out with two fouls but when the game is slipping away they both shouldn’t continue to sit on the bench. In particular we really needed MM’s offense out there.
Could happen. A slightly related observation: it takes a lot to get our fans to not show up. In general our fans aren’t too demanding, mostly nice midwesterners that love bball. I went to IU when Mike Davis was on the decline and towards the end the crowds were getting sparse — 12-13K or so not many in the balcony. The Vandy NIT must have been a record low, no idea why I went to that lol.
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