It is, but they will go down a hall and up stairs or an elevator. It’s not really that far. Having everything at the stadium is a big deal in itself. In place of the old dining hall will be part of the new locker room, a players lounge, recruiting area, new equipment room, new coaches locker room, new training room, and new recruiting room. Personally I think that stuff is more important to be directly next to the locker room.
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But will they show replays of bad ref
calls on the big board?
Rbb, any idea why they didn’t build the new addition higher to match both sides of the stadium. Maybe planning on adding suites in those areas in the future? Just curious.
I’m assuming because with what they wanted in this project, it would take a giant pointless wall to do that. Just an aesthetic choice. They can always add suites/seats later to the east side other than the suite/club area they’re adding on level two with this (suite/club/dining hall/150 or so club seats). We should worry about consistent sellouts before adding more than that.
It does connect at the concourse level, as you can see here:
It wouldn't take a giant, pointless wall - it would take a better design. It's absolutely possible to get more or less the same functional bits out of this project without the weird height difference or a giant wall.
the entire project is a head scratcher to me.
you use your last plot of beachfront property for administrative use and a few royal boxes, just so you can say you closed in the stadium.
beyond ridiculous.
add to that the total brain dead fiasco with the golf course.
at least the SEZ fiasco can and will be fixed some day, even if at a huge financial cost. the golf course will never be anywhere near what it could have been, and is irreparable harm..
Glass, or whomever is the head visionary on these, has exactly zero vision, and it's a crime that whomever it is, IU has entrusted any facilities decision making what so ever to them.
and if it's not Glass calling these shots, whoever is, needed their ass fired before all this damage was done.
and while the NEZ originally was designed prior to FG taking over, ground wasn't broken till a good bit after he did, so i still blame him as well for that fan unfriendly design.
the NEZ should have been positioned as close to the field as possible and squared up to the back of the end zones.
trying to copy the old curve design that was mandated by the track that used to surround the playing field was beyond insane. wtf were they thinking.
other schools who's stadiums were built when they did have the track around the field, have spent huge amounts trying to undo the exact problem that the track forced curve and proximity issues imposed, yet even knowing that going in, IU purposefully built in those exact fan unfriendly down sides.
that's just gross incompetence.
doing it correctly would have improved both proximity and the viewing angle of those seats, and made them much more desirable seats, while costing not one cent more to build.
it's a tragedy that someone with at lease some basic common sense and vision isn't making decisions on these huge capital projects.
it's like all anyone thought about was the blimp shot, and gave exactly zero thought what so ever to the actual logistics, functionality, and potential, of either end zone.
i get it. Fred has the political connections and the black book of donors from his actual background as a political operative. (how does that qualify someone for AD).
can we please move him to some fund raising only position, before he totally clusterfks anything else.
if FG had no say in any of these boondoggles, i apologize in advance for blaming him for these.
but if he's not the one to blame, who is?
you use your last plot of beachfront property for administrative use and a few royal boxes, just so you can say you closed in the stadium.
beyond ridiculous.
add to that the total brain dead fiasco with the golf course.
at least the SEZ fiasco can and will be fixed some day, even if at a huge financial cost. the golf course will never be anywhere near what it could have been, and is irreparable harm..
Glass, or whomever is the head visionary on these, has exactly zero vision, and it's a crime that whomever it is, IU has entrusted any facilities decision making what so ever to them.
and if it's not Glass calling these shots, whoever is, needed their ass fired before all this damage was done.
and while the NEZ originally was designed prior to FG taking over, ground wasn't broken till a good bit after he did, so i still blame him as well for that fan unfriendly design.
the NEZ should have been positioned as close to the field as possible and squared up to the back of the end zones.
trying to copy the old curve design that was mandated by the track that used to surround the playing field was beyond insane. wtf were they thinking.
other schools who's stadiums were built when they did have the track around the field, have spent huge amounts trying to undo the exact problem that the track forced curve and proximity issues imposed, yet even knowing that going in, IU purposefully built in those exact fan unfriendly down sides.
that's just gross incompetence.
doing it correctly would have improved both proximity and the viewing angle of those seats, and made them much more desirable seats, while costing not one cent more to build.
it's a tragedy that someone with at lease some basic common sense and vision isn't making decisions on these huge capital projects.
it's like all anyone thought about was the blimp shot, and gave exactly zero thought what so ever to the actual logistics, functionality, and potential, of either end zone.
i get it. Fred has the political connections and the black book of donors from his actual background as a political operative. (how does that qualify someone for AD).
can we please move him to some fund raising only position, before he totally clusterfks anything else.
if FG had no say in any of these boondoggles, i apologize in advance for blaming him for these.
but if he's not the one to blame, who is?
As long as it looks good on tv. Who wants a bunch of screaming noisy fans.
Fred was hired because of his ties to the Indianapolis donor community and political power players. He has no understanding of sports or how to hire, evaluate, and fire head coaches. The president to whom he reports is even more clueless and indifferent so Fred gets to keep his job with no accountability. And it is the fans who ultimately suffer the most. You would think someone who loves IU as much as he claims to would step down for the good of the school.
You could only move the seats at the very middle of the NEZ arc about 6-8 feet, most seats would move even less than that. The major reason for the distance of from the NEZ seating from the back of the endzone is the original design of the stadium which had the East/West stands extended almost a section and a half beyond the endzones. A sizable demolition would have been necessary get the seating significantly closer - i.e. would have probably added 50% to the cost of the NEZ
And IU wasn't trying to copy the track curve wasn't the goal, it was trying to copy the curve in the East/West stands, which puts more seats between a linear sideline distance
Based on what - not firing Crean sooner? I would argue that IU was in a damned if we do/damned if we don't situation with Crean. Fire Crean any significantly sooner, and we probably would have scared aware any good coaching candidates and we'd be in position now about talking whether or not to fire Crean's replacement.
Plus take away debate about the high profile sports/coaches (men's basketball/football), and IU sports seem to be having some of the highest sustained/cumulative success of at least the last several decades.
The stadium is looking awesome. The addition to Assembly Hall is outstanding. The improvement in the athletic facilities is tremendous. Hiring Archie Miller was a home run. Hiring Allen as head football coach might just be a superb choice too. I don't understand your complaints about the stadium or Fred Glass. IMO he's doing a great job.
For some people, Glass is never going to live down the Crean extension, plain and simple. And yes, he screwed that one up. He got caught up in all the We're Back hoopla and it got the best of him. It was a rookie mistake. But if you look at the hires he's made and the contracts he's negotiated since then, it's pretty obvious he's learned his lesson.
IU athletics -- facilities, budgeting, coaching, and performance on and off the field -- is now doing very well across the board.
winners is a kook when it comes to the football stadium and the golf course.
Wow....this thread has completely derailed. Are people this naive to think that Fred drew this up on a cocktail napkin a la the plans for Spinal Tap’s “Stonehenge” design for their stage show (classic movie by the way)?
IU contracted with RATIO Architects out of Indy to do this. This isn’t some “fly by night” group. They have implemented designs all over the world, including work at Notre Dame, Duke Athletics football complex, Georgia’s Indoor Athletics Complex, Hinkle Fieldhouse, Purdue Student Housing and Engineering complexes, PNC Arena for the NC State Wolfpack, corporate skyscrapers in the U.S. and Beijing.
You can argue all day about the “connecting points” to the main stands but this is about what is inside the complex (and it’s completely false that it is merely administrative offices).
It’s state of the art nutritional and performance areas FOR THE ATHLETES!!! I cannot believe some of the comments here.
IU contracted with RATIO Architects out of Indy to do this. This isn’t some “fly by night” group. They have implemented designs all over the world, including work at Notre Dame, Duke Athletics football complex, Georgia’s Indoor Athletics Complex, Hinkle Fieldhouse, Purdue Student Housing and Engineering complexes, PNC Arena for the NC State Wolfpack, corporate skyscrapers in the U.S. and Beijing.
You can argue all day about the “connecting points” to the main stands but this is about what is inside the complex (and it’s completely false that it is merely administrative offices).
It’s state of the art nutritional and performance areas FOR THE ATHLETES!!! I cannot believe some of the comments here.
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the bigger question on everyone's mind is "have they moved the flag pole yet?"
I’m assuming you’re responding to igw...whoever it is I have ignored...but yeah, it’s not admin offices. He seriously just makes crap up.
Here you go winners...read and swipe:
https://www.indystar.com/picture-ga...-stadium-south-end-zone-renderings/104835304/
https://iuhoosiers.exposure.co/iu-excellence-academy-renderings
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The NEZ seats aren’t far away from the field. Only you think this. The old bleachers were literally falling apart. My high school had better seating. The old IU golf course was a dump. Only you would compare it to Augusta.
factually just not true.
you could move those in the center more like 10 plus yrds closer, and still have the same back line buffer many newer stadiums have.
that 10 plus yds is absolutely huge, not just because of proximity, (and proximity does matter), but just as much or more because it has a big effect on the viewing angle of the field from the NEZ stands as well.
and if you don't think they copied the look of the old school oval stadiums that were oval only to accommodate the track, then you're blind.
and even coming straight across closer in for functionality, the line curve at the top of the NEZ could have remained exactly the same as it is now, for esthetics and the old school look from the blimp.
structurally, they could have come straight across much closer to the back of the end line, prior to the northern most point of the existing east and west stands, without demoing anything, (you're just pulling sht out your arse now), and it would have been a much better viewing angle, plus the closer proximity.
the northern most parts of the east west stands, would have become part of the NEZ, rather than staying the northern most part of the east west stands..
this isn't an after the fact complaint from me.
i brought up the huge design blunder the day the renderings were first released, and many times after, long before ground was ever broken..
yes, the NEZ looks fine on the postcard and from the blimp.
but it could have been a much more desirable seat for those sitting there, for not one more cent in construction costs.
time will tell the wisdom of putting an essentially administrative building with some royal boxes in the SEZ.
i was a fan of enclosing the stadium starting in 1960. i just wanted it done better.
many are so glad it was done, they don't even take into consideration that it could have been better designed and planned out.
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Factually not true.
In the image below, I marked the edges of original stadium, which went a solid 15 yards past the edgezone, and there's maybe at most an additional 5 with the arc.
Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.Factually not true.
In the image below, I marked the edges of original stadium, which went a solid 15 yards past the edgezone, and there's maybe at most an additional 5 with the arc.
Factually not true.
In the image below, I marked the edges of original stadium, which went a solid 15 yards past the edgezone, and there's maybe at most an additional 5 with the arc.
move the blue marker to the isle directly below, (south), of where you have it now, and trace it all the way down toward the field on both sides.
where the lowest level of that isle is, that's more where they should have cut straight across with the south wall of the north stands.
that would move the NEZ considerably closer to the north end zone back line, and make the viewing angle more looking down. (looking down more produces a superior viewing angle).
closer proximity. better viewing angle.
you're under some assumption they could only cut across where the original stadium ended. (northernmost inside point).
not so. they could have and should have cut across with the south wall of the north stands, south of the northernmost point of the original stands, as i already explained above.
about where the lowest level of the isle south of your blue line is..
no demo needed. not sure why you think it would be.
LOLFactually not true.
In the image below, I marked the edges of original stadium, which went a solid 15 yards past the edgezone, and there's maybe at most an additional 5 with the arc.
Unless you are a high roller AH is still a crappy place to
watch a basketball game.
How many arenas have you actually been to?
Giant red railings are gone. There are HD monitors under the balcony. Quit spreading this meme. Every arena in the country has bad seats at the top.
It depends on how you would merge the ends. To make the addition continuous and maintain the current height of the first row of the NEZ and the outer most section of the East/West stands then, and move it up to where you suggest, yes, major demo would be needed. The other options would be to have something like OSUs endzone which is separated from the east/west stands (which I don't think would look all that great and would waste space for a stadium the size of IUs) or extend seating below the northern most sections of the east/west stands (something along the lines of the bleaches behind the baskets in Assembly Hall). This one is still feasible, it would just obstruct the weight room windows but could be something that's considered if the weight room is ever moved to a new location.
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I’ve sat in the top row at Assembly Hall and at the Forum in Los Angeles. The view in each was similar. They both sucked.
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Not sure where they could move the weight room. I bet it would look a lot less impressive to recruits/players if they took out the windows to add a few more rows of seats.
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My thought was that this could be something that is considered quite a ways in the future when there is a crunch for more seating and/or when the football arms race has us building a new weight room addition somewhere else. But yes, as it currently stands, it doesn't make sense to obstruct the windows
The latest pictures look good and I am glad the paving outside will be starting soon. I'm going to be happy when the video screen is installed. I can't explain why, but I have a feeling it won't be installed or operational by the first game. I can't wait to be inside the stadium with everything completed!
ManyHow many arenas have you actually been to?
Giant red railings are gone. There are HD monitors under the balcony. Quit spreading this meme. Every arena in the country has bad seats at the top.
It doesn’t take that long to install a scoreboard, and the first home game is three months away.
That was my thought too, this looks like a building added to a football stadium ! (from the exterior). And I also agree that someday it is going to cost them a lot more to put those seats in the SEZ. I am not sure if they did some "value engineering" in architect speak and delayed the seating for the future. Those would be prime seats because you are not looking into the sun, as you are on the NEZ.
Now for the interior of the building I applaud that and would not call it an administrative building because of the functions inside.
I also cannot understand why the NEZ seats where not built up closer to the field. From an aesthetic point of view I think you could have built them closer and still put an arc ( though not as big) to complement the lines on the east and west sides.
I did not understand your comment about the golf course situation.
The video screen will be up by the end of the month. It doesn’t take that long to put the actual board sections on. The support structure has been up for a while.
The north screen was up in like two weeks last year, and that included tearing down the old scoreboard.
Factually not true.
In the image below, I marked the edges of original stadium, which went a solid 15 yards past the edgezone, and there's maybe at most an additional 5 with the arc.
Also, why do we need any seating right now, other than club seating? Any bleachers added will be on top of the east stands.
