And how on Earth does a large Dept of Ed help? That’s what we were here discussing before people started lobbing platitudes all over the place and stating falsities like “more money is better for school results.”
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Nothing. That’s the crutch mentality and sort of inferred/implicated in the economics discussion crazed and brad are having
A. I didn't put words in your mouth. That's why I typed (Not BWB). Slow down and read.
B. Your second paragraph is so full of shit, You have no idea what I've experienced in the real world. The only response to that take is Fvck right off...and I don't think you've ever seen me type that very often. I have enough experience in the last 35-40 years, as does my wife, to speak intelligently to the topic.
Fine for A. That’s not how I read it. Read it from another perspective and you’d read it how I did.
For B I’m talking ex-US. US squalor is not comparable to what I’ve seen around the world. You’ve not seen kids living amongst open sewers and with shit floating down the streets and still going to school every morning. I respect your experience but US kids are spoiled comparatively.
Okay...well...fvck you for bringing in the rest of the world, then.
Believe me, US kids are spoiled only in comparison. Their lives are still a shit sandwich through no fault of their own. And many are so resilient, it would break your heart. As my wife says, the biggest hurdle new teachers have to overcome is that the ones who are the hardest to love are the ones who need it the most. (Sorry if that was a sappy platitude).
Sometimes platitudes are reality - but in getting back to what we were discussing….Okay...well...fvck you for bringing in the rest of the world, then.
Believe me, US kids are spoiled only in comparison. Their lives are still a shit sandwich through no fault of their own. And many are so resilient, it would break your heart. As my wife says, the biggest hurdle new teachers have to overcome is that the ones who are the hardest to love are the ones who need it the most. (Sorry if that was a sappy platitude).
I agree there are kids that are lost as innocent victims - but that has nothing to do with a) us being a representative republic, b) an impotent Dept of Ed, c) systemic racism or d) whatever other bogeyman people who refuse to take accountability adopt.
It has everything to do with cultural rot and lack of parental accountability. Lack of accountability driven by selfish people, by fatalism being shoved down throats by DEI/Woke grifters, and by politicians that are worthless.
An aside: It even further pisses me off that my kids have straight A’s, are student athletes, are model citizens and will only have a 5% chance to get into the school they want to attend. If you can convince me a Dept of Education can solve that - then I’m actively listening.
PS - I didn't mean all US kids...I meant to say inner city kids living in poverty. Sorry about that.Okay...well...fvck you for bringing in the rest of the world, then.
Believe me, US kids are spoiled only in comparison. Their lives are still a shit sandwich through no fault of their own. And many are so resilient, it would break your heart. As my wife says, the biggest hurdle new teachers have to overcome is that the ones who are the hardest to love are the ones who need it the most. (Sorry if that was a sappy platitude).
IU has a 77% accept rate. They'll get in.
Try me bitch. Party starts on the drive down and ends six years later with that hot degree
Not paying out of state for IU unless they promise me Kelley. Meaning my kid(s) promise they’ll pursue Kelley.IU has a 77% accept rate. They'll get in.
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Step your game up.
50K plus a year.
TBD. But “good” schools have a 10% acceptance rate. Great schools have sub 5%.
Check on that. As a veteran your kids may qualify for in state tuition. Mine did (but didn’t want to go to IU, unfortunately), but that could be because I’m a retired veteran.
It’s higher. I got in.IU has a 77% accept rate. They'll get in.
'Constitutional Republic.'
Most failing K-12 schools (government)have a high percentage of no father in the home. The offspring become wards of the state. As the state corrupts, so do their wards.
In-State Tuition Rates for Certain Veterans, Military Members, and GI Bill Recipients
Establishes provisions for remission of the nonresident portion of credit-hour fees for full-time military personnel and spouses stationed in Indiana.
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Thanks. I checked those after Aloha mentioned it. I don’t see any of those bullets applying to me.In-State Tuition Rates for Certain Veterans, Military Members, and GI Bill Recipients
Establishes provisions for remission of the nonresident portion of credit-hour fees for full-time military personnel and spouses stationed in Indiana.policies.iu.edu
Education Benefits
Learn about the benefits and resources that CVMS can provide.
I know some state schools do have it for all vets. Have a friend from IU whose kid is at Mizzou who I think got this there.
Then how do you know they only have a 5% chance of getting into the school that they want to attend? There are around 10 universities in the country with an acceptance rate that low.
Sure, there are many schools that are extremely competitive, but I think you are being a little harsh with your good and great grades. Michigan is a fantastic school with a rabid alumni network and has an 18% acceptance rate. Cal is a great school with a 12% acceptance rate. Florida is a very good school with a 23% acceptance rate. And those are just some of the very good publics.
The difficult reality is that the attributes you identify in your kids aren't all that uncommon in today's college applicants. According to some studies, nearly 50% of them graduate high school with all A's. I do alumni interviews for admissions from a school with a low acceptance rate (that I would have no chance of getting into now) and every kid I meet is an A student with tons of extracurriculars, fantastic volunteer work, and a terrific demeanor. Most don't get accepted. That's not a problem with the system. That's a result of us as a society producing a generation of high achieving kids who we (as a society) sell the idea that they have to attend one of those sub 5% schools to have a great life.
There are TONS of great options for kids after high school that fit their interests and ambitions. I wouldn't sweat what college they are going to end up at too much. I'd spend more time helping them find their interests and ambitions. If they have those, they can build a fantastic life with their college choice being a small part of that. If they don't have those, no college choice is going to magically help them find those.
Sorry for the wild detour, but this is a topic I'm passionate about so I hope you'll forgive my rant.
Hard to tell in all cases, but for example Michigan's in-state acceptance rate is closer to 40% while out-of-state ranges from 15-20% depending on the year. Florida is closer to 19% for out-of-state, but the point remains.
2022 and 2023 are skewed towards lower acceptance rates because of more applications from kids taking gap years due to covid, but they are in the ballpark overall.
I agree that part of the problem is perception, but that's not going to change.
The other problem is nationwide grade inflation. As the article you linked states, while the % of kids getting all A's increases, the standardized test scores have dropped.
A few radical propositions for discussion (that I'm not even sure I favor):
(1) institute a nationwide grading curve for high school. In every class, only the top 20% can get an A, the next 20% a B.
(2) to stop advancing students at the bottom just to do so, set up a nationwide basic literacy and math skills test. Any high school that advances a kid to 12th grade who cannot pass said test at some basic, minimal threshold and who has given this kid As and Bs, gets fined or punished somehow.
I've noticed this with my kids for years, by the way. I have no real feedback on their strengths and weaknesses from teachers, just "oh he/she is getting an A. Not much to talk about." But, of course, I have no understanding of what that A means, and it clearly doesn't mean much if half the class is getting one.
What is out of state acceptance rate to UNC. What is it to UMichigan, etc.
The out of state rates are what matters. My state SUCKS for in state public school options. Pitt isn’t good. It’s not bad but isn’t good. Temple is in one of the most violent neighborhoods in the country. That leaves Penn State. Blah.
Yes they’d need to use my GI Bill but I’ve already used it on grad school for myself.
Chapel Hill was my top choice. The allotment for in state by law is crazy. I bet out of state acceptance is less than 10 percent. For a public. So many great schools in nc
Some info on this (I, too, am interested/invested in this stuff with a Jr. and a Fr. in high school):
Many Ivy League colleges have acceptance rates of less than 10%. Keep in mind that these schools also typically welcome a large number of applications each year, which affects this rate.
The California Institute of Technology and Harvard University lead for the most selective universities at a miniscule 3% acceptance rate.
40 Colleges With the Lowest Acceptance Rates
Most of the schools on the list for lowest acceptance rates will come as no surprise.Many Ivy League colleges have acceptance rates of less than 10%. Keep in mind that these schools also typically welcome a large number of applications each year, which affects this rate.
The California Institute of Technology and Harvard University lead for the most selective universities at a miniscule 3% acceptance rate.
- California Institute of Technology: 3%
- Harvard University: 3%
- Princeton University: 4%
- Stanford: 4%
- Brown University: 5%
- Massachusetts Institute of Technology: 5%
- University of Chicago: 5%
- Yale University: 5%
- Dartmouth College: 6%
- Northeastern University: 6%
| University of Pennsylvania | 6% |
| Vanderbilt University | 6% |
| Duke University | 7% |
| Northwestern University | 7% |
| Cornell University | 8% |
| Johns Hopkins University | 8% |
| Rice University | 8% |
| New York University | 9% |
| University of California, Los Angeles | 9% |
| Tufts University | 10% |
| University of Southern California | 10% |
| Boston University | 11% |
| Carnegie Mellon University | 11% |
| Emory University | 11% |
| University of California, Berkeley | 12% |
| University of Notre Dame | 12% |
| Washington University in St. Louis | 12% |
| Georgetown University | 13% |
| Davidson College | 14% |
| Tulane University | 15% |
| Boston College | 16% |
| Georgia Institute of Technology | 16% |
| University of Virginia | 17% |
| Washington and Lee University | 17% |
| University of Michigan | 18% |
| University of Miami | 19% |
| University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill | 19% |
| Florida A&M University | 21% |
| Wake Forest University | 22% |
| University of Florida | 24% |
College Acceptance Rates for 150 Popular Schools | BestColleges
Some of the highest acceptance rates near 100%, while the lowest dip to 3%. Check which schools you have the best chance of getting into.
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UNC is low because the state limits the student body to 18% out of state, which most schools don't do. It typically floats between 8 and 10%. Michigan is around 18% out-of-state, but it again fluctuates year to year.
So much depends on where your kids think they are going to want to live after college, too. The Virginia alumni network is a big asset in the southeast, but less so in California or the northwest. UCSD is a really great school, but I don't know that it would help your kids much if they want to live in PA.
More:Some info on this (I, too, am interested/invested in this stuff with a Jr. and a Fr. in high school):
40 Colleges With the Lowest Acceptance Rates
Most of the schools on the list for lowest acceptance rates will come as no surprise.
Many Ivy League colleges have acceptance rates of less than 10%. Keep in mind that these schools also typically welcome a large number of applications each year, which affects this rate.
The California Institute of Technology and Harvard University lead for the most selective universities at a miniscule 3% acceptance rate.
- California Institute of Technology: 3%
- Harvard University: 3%
- Princeton University: 4%
- Stanford: 4%
- Brown University: 5%
- Massachusetts Institute of Technology: 5%
- University of Chicago: 5%
- Yale University: 5%
- Dartmouth College: 6%
- Northeastern University: 6%
University of Pennsylvania 6% Vanderbilt University 6% Duke University 7% Northwestern University 7% Cornell University 8% Johns Hopkins University 8% Rice University 8% New York University 9% University of California, Los Angeles 9% Tufts University 10%
University of Southern California 10% Boston University 11% Carnegie Mellon University 11% Emory University 11% University of California, Berkeley 12% University of Notre Dame 12% Washington University in St. Louis 12% Georgetown University 13% Davidson College 14% Tulane University 15%
Boston College 16% Georgia Institute of Technology 16% University of Virginia 17% Washington and Lee University 17% University of Michigan 18% University of Miami 19% University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 19% Florida A&M University 21% Wake Forest University 22% University of Florida 24%
College Acceptance Rates for 150 Popular Schools | BestColleges
Some of the highest acceptance rates near 100%, while the lowest dip to 3%. Check which schools you have the best chance of getting into.www.bestcolleges.com
SAT Scores and Acceptance Rates at Selected Colleges
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| College | SAT 25-75th Percentile | % of Applicants Accepted | ||
| Cal Tech | 1530 - 1580 | 7 | ||
| Harvard | 1460 - 1580 | 5 | ||
| MIT | 1510 - 1580 | 7 | ||
| Yale | 1460 - 1580 | 5 | ||
| Brown | 1440 - 1570 | 8 | ||
| Columbia | 1470 - 1570 | 6 | ||
| Harvey Mudd | 1490 - 1570 | 18 | ||
| Johns Hopkins | 1480 - 1570 | 9 | ||
| Princeton | 1450 - 1570 | 6 | ||
| Rice | 1460 - 1570 | 11 | ||
| Stanford | 1420 - 1570 | 5 | ||
| Univ. of Chicago | 1500 - 1570 | 7 | ||
| Univ. of Penn | 1450 - 1570 | 9 | ||
| Carnegie Mellon | 1460 - 1560 | 17 | ||
| Dartmouth | 1440 - 1560 | 9 | ||
| Duke | 1510 - 1560 | 8 | ||
| Notre Dame | 1420 - 1560 | 19 | ||
| Univ. of Michigan | 1340 - 1560 | 17 | ||
| Vanderbilt | 1460 - 1560 | 12 | ||
| Washington U. in St. L | 1460 - 1560 | 8 | ||
| Williams | 1410 - 1560 | 15 | ||
| Amherst | 1410 - 1550 | 12 | ||
| Georgetown | 1380 - 1550 | 17 | ||
| Northwestern | 1430 - 1550 | 9 | ||
| Cornell | 1400 - 1540 | 11 | ||
| Northeastern | 1410 - 1540 | 20 | ||
| NYU | 1370 - 1540 | 21 | ||
| Pomona | 1390 - 1540 | 9 | ||
| Swarthmore | 1395 - 1540 | 9 | ||
| Tufts | 1380 - 1530 | 16 | ||
| Emory | 1380 - 1530 | 19 | ||
| Georgia Tech | 1370 - 1530 | 21 | ||
| Univ. of Cal. Berkeley | 1290 - 1530 | 18 | ||
| Univ. of Southern Cal. | 1340 - 1530 | 16 | ||
| Case Western Reserve | 1340 - 1520 | 30 | ||
| Colby | 1380 - 1520 | 10 | ||
| Haverford | 1360 - 1520 | 24 | ||
| Middlebury | 1340 - 1520 | 22 | ||
| Reed | 1325 - 1520 | 39 | ||
| UCLA | 1290 - 1520 | 14 | ||
| Vassar | 1360 - 1520 | 25 | ||
| Wellesley | 1350 - 1520 | 20 | ||
| Wesleyan | 1340 - 1520 | 21 | ||
| Barnard | 1350 - 1518 | 14 | ||
| Bowdoin | 1330 - 1510 | 9 | ||
| Brandeis | 1320 - 1510 | 34 | ||
| Carleton | 1340 - 1510 | 21 | ||
| Grinnell | 1340 - 1510 | 18 | ||
| Hamilton | 1380 - 1510 | 18 | ||
| Pitzer | 1325 - 1510 | 17 | ||
| Smith | 1325 - 1510 | 37 | ||
| Univ. of Virginia | 1320 - 1510 | 23 | ||
| Boston College | 1330 - 1500 | 26 | ||
| Boston University | 1310 - 1500 | 20 | ||
| Bryn Mawr | 1240 - 1500 | 38 | ||
| Claremont McKenna | 1330 - 1500 | 13 | ||
| Mount Holyoke | 1270 - 1500 | 52 | ||
| Rensselaer Poly | 1300 - 1500 | 57 | ||
| Univ. of Rochester | 1310 - 1500 | 35 | ||
| Washington & Lee | 1350 - 1500 | 24 | ||
| William & Mary | 1300 - 1490 | 42 | ||
| Scripps | 1320 - 1480 | 35 | ||
| Colgate | 1300 - 1470 | 32 | ||
| Wake Forest | 1290 - 1470 | 32 | ||
| Worcester Poly | 1310 - 1470 | 59 | ||
| Colorado College | 1240 - 1460 | 14 | ||
| Davidson | 1300 - 1460 | 20 | ||
| Occidental | 1270 - 1460 | 41 | ||
| Kenyon | 1280 - 1460 | 37 | ||
| Tulane | 1340 - 1460 | 11 | ||
| Univ. of Richmond | 1280 - 1460 | 31 | ||
| Univ. of Florida | 1290 - 1460 | 31 | ||
| Univ. of North Carolina | 1220 - 1460 | 24 | ||
| U.S. Air Force Academy | 1300 - 1460 | 13 | ||
| Villanova | 1320 - 1460 | 31 | ||
| Connecticut College | 1310 - 1450 | 38 | ||
| George Washington Univ. | 1270 - 1450 | 43 | ||
| Macalaster | 1280 - 1450 | 39 | ||
| Oberlin | 1270 - 1450 | 35 | ||
| Trinity | 1290 - 1450 | 36 | ||
| U.S. Naval Academy | 1230 - 1450 | 9 | ||
| Franklin & Marshall | 1210 - 1440 | 37 | ||
| Lafayette | 1250 - 1440 | 36 | ||
| U.S. Military Academy | 1210 - 1440 | 9 | ||
| Lehigh | 1260 - 1433 | 50 | ||
| Denison | 1220 - 1430 | 28 | ||
| Holy Cross | 1290 - 1430 | 38 | ||
| Purdue | 1190 - 1430 | 67 | ||
| Whitman | 1230 - 1430 | 54 | ||
| Bates | 1210 - 1420 | 14 | ||
| Lawrence | 1190 - 1420 | 69 | ||
| Rhodes | 1220 - 1420 | 51 | ||
| St. Olaf | 1150 - 1420 | 51 | ||
| Univ. of Miami | 1250 - 1420 | 33 | ||
| Univ. of Pittsburgh | 1243 - 1420 | 64 | ||
| Univ. of Wisconsin | 1220 - 1420 | 57 | ||
| Bard | 1220 - 1418 | 59 | ||
| Fordham | 1230 - 1410 | 53 | ||
| Gettysburg | 1270 - 1410 | 48 | ||
| Pepperdine | 1200 - 1410 | 42 | ||
| Sarah Lawrence | 1220 - 1410 | 55 | ||
| Skidmore | 1220 - 1403 | 32 | ||
| Bennington | 1200 - 1400 | 60 | ||
| Bucknell | 1220 - 1400 | 38 | ||
| Union | 1210 - 1400 | 41 | ||
| American | 1220 - 1390 | 39 | ||
| Univ. of Connecticut | 1170 - 1390 | 599 | ||
| UMass Amherst | 1200 - 1390 | 65 | ||
| Dickinson | 1220 - 1380 | 52 | ||
| Lewis & Clark | 1198 - 1380 | 81 | ||
| Syracuse | 1160 - 1370 | 69 | ||
| Virginia Tech | 1170 - 1370 | 67 | ||
| DePauw | 1110 - 1360 | 68 | ||
| Hobart & Wm. Smith | 1180 - 1360 | 62 | ||
| St. Lawrence | 1180 - 1360 | 47 | ||
| Allegheny | 1140 - 1350 | 73 | ||
| Clark | 1150 - 1350 | 47 | ||
| Muhlenberg | 1170 - 1350 | 71 | ||
| Univ. of Vermont | 1160 - 1350 | 62 | ||
| Wheaton | 1160 - 1350 | 77 | ||
| Penn State U.-Univ. Park | 1150 - 1340 | 54 | ||
| Sewanee | 1150 - 1340 | 56 | ||
| Knox | 1080 - 1320 | 71 | ||
| St. Anselm | 1140 - 1300 | 75 | ||
| Stonehill | 1120 - 1290 | 69 | ||
| St. Michael's | 1130 - 1280 | 88 | ||
| UNH | 1090 - 1280 | 85 |
Some of those SATs seem to skew low (and the acceptance rates skew high) but it's so hard to tell with the deemphasizing and then reemphasizing of SAT/ACT scores.
