Sec of Education - Holy Moly

[BadWakeboarder]

I try to focus this--as you rightly did--on the child. Because it is true that it is, in a sense, unfair that we as individuals have to pay for the results of some bad, lazy, immoral parenting out there in the world. But I think that (1) community interests need to be considered and sometimes do, in fact, trump individual interests, and (2) that it is more unfair that those children are in that situation. I want to fix the kid's lot in life more than I care about the free-rider problem of the parents. I'm always astonished more professed Christians don't feel this way, too.

And how on Earth does a large Dept of Ed help? That’s what we were here discussing before people started lobbing platitudes all over the place and stating falsities like “more money is better for school results.”

 

[mcmurtry66]

Seen it. Seen it all. Am super sympathetic to it. What is the federal Dept of Ed going to do to fix it?

Nothing. That’s the crutch mentality and sort of inferred/implicated in the economics discussion crazed and brad are having

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

WTF are you talking about? Don’t put words in my mouth.

Again the problem with liberals is the absence of personal responsibility. No amount of federal intervention or blind tossing of funds at a problem will make parents (those that don’t care) care about their kids’ education. The cycle will continue to repeat until someone breaks the cycle. I’m fine with government programs to try to provide after school tutoring, etc, but not from the Feds. That program would be massive and massively inefficient to what local government can provide and oversee.

I’ve see what squalor looks like. You have zero idea what’s out there in the real world and what resiliency people have when they aren’t repeatedly told “the system is failing you”. Either one cares or one doesn’t.

A. I didn't put words in your mouth. That's why I typed (Not BWB). Slow down and read.
B. Your second paragraph is so full of shit, You have no idea what I've experienced in the real world. The only response to that take is Fvck right off...and I don't think you've ever seen me type that very often. I have enough experience in the last 35-40 years, as does my wife, to speak intelligently to the topic.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

A. I didn't put words in your mouth. That's why I typed (Not BWB). Slow down and read.
B. Your second paragraph is so full of shit, You have no idea what I've experienced in the real world. The only response to that take is Fvck right off...and I don't think you've ever seen me type that very often. I have enough experience in the last 35-40 years, as does my wife, to speak intelligently to the topic.

Fine for A. That’s not how I read it. Read it from another perspective and you’d read it how I did.

For B I’m talking ex-US. US squalor is not comparable to what I’ve seen around the world. You’ve not seen kids living amongst open sewers and with shit floating down the streets and still going to school every morning. I respect your experience but US kids are spoiled comparatively.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Fine for A. That’s not how I read it. Read it from another perspective and you’d read it how I did.

For B I’m talking ex-US. US squalor is not comparable to what I’ve seen around the world. You’ve not seen kids living amongst open sewers and with shit floating down the streets and still going to school every morning. I respect your experience but US kids are spoiled comparatively.

Okay...well...fvck you for bringing in the rest of the world, then.

Believe me, US kids are spoiled only in comparison. Their lives are still a shit sandwich through no fault of their own. And many are so resilient, it would break your heart. As my wife says, the biggest hurdle new teachers have to overcome is that the ones who are the hardest to love are the ones who need it the most. (Sorry if that was a sappy platitude).

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Okay...well...fvck you for bringing in the rest of the world, then.

Believe me, US kids are spoiled only in comparison. Their lives are still a shit sandwich through no fault of their own. And many are so resilient, it would break your heart. As my wife says, the biggest hurdle new teachers have to overcome is that the ones who are the hardest to love are the ones who need it the most. (Sorry if that was a sappy platitude).

Sometimes platitudes are reality - but in getting back to what we were discussing….

I agree there are kids that are lost as innocent victims - but that has nothing to do with a) us being a representative republic, b) an impotent Dept of Ed, c) systemic racism or d) whatever other bogeyman people who refuse to take accountability adopt.

It has everything to do with cultural rot and lack of parental accountability. Lack of accountability driven by selfish people, by fatalism being shoved down throats by DEI/Woke grifters, and by politicians that are worthless.

An aside: It even further pisses me off that my kids have straight A’s, are student athletes, are model citizens and will only have a 5% chance to get into the school they want to attend. If you can convince me a Dept of Education can solve that - then I’m actively listening.

 

[BradStevens]

Sometimes platitudes are reality - but in getting back to what we were discussing….

I agree there are kids that are lost as innocent victims - but that has nothing to do with a) us being a representative republic, b) an impotent Dept of Ed, c) systemic racism or d) whatever other bogeyman people who refuse to take accountability adopt.

It has everything to do with cultural rot and lack of parental accountability. Lack of accountability driven by selfish people, by fatalism being shoved down throats by DEI/Woke grifters, and by politicians that are worthless.

An aside: It even further pisses me off that my kids have straight A’s, are student athletes, are model citizens and will only have a 5% chance to get into the school they want to attend. If you can convince me a Dept of Education can solve that - then I’m actively listening.

IU has a 77% accept rate. They'll get in.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Okay...well...fvck you for bringing in the rest of the world, then.

Believe me, US kids are spoiled only in comparison. Their lives are still a shit sandwich through no fault of their own. And many are so resilient, it would break your heart. As my wife says, the biggest hurdle new teachers have to overcome is that the ones who are the hardest to love are the ones who need it the most. (Sorry if that was a sappy platitude).

PS - I didn't mean all US kids...I meant to say inner city kids living in poverty. Sorry about that.

 

[mcmurtry66]

IU has a 77% accept rate. They'll get in.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/missouri-state-university-2503/applying

Try me bitch. Party starts on the drive down and ends six years later with that hot degree

 

[BadWakeboarder]

IU has a 77% accept rate. They'll get in.

Not paying out of state for IU unless they promise me Kelley. Meaning my kid(s) promise they’ll pursue Kelley.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/missouri-state-university-2503/applying

Try me bitch. Party starts on the drive down and ends six years later with that hot degree

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-saint-francis-1832/applying

Step your game up.

50K plus a year.

 

[hoosboot]

Sometimes platitudes are reality - but in getting back to what we were discussing….

I agree there are kids that are lost as innocent victims - but that has nothing to do with a) us being a representative republic, b) an impotent Dept of Ed, c) systemic racism or d) whatever other bogeyman people who refuse to take accountability adopt.

It has everything to do with cultural rot and lack of parental accountability. Lack of accountability driven by selfish people, by fatalism being shoved down throats by DEI/Woke grifters, and by politicians that are worthless.

An aside: It even further pisses me off that my kids have straight A’s, are student athletes, are model citizens and will only have a 5% chance to get into the school they want to attend. If you can convince me a Dept of Education can solve that - then I’m actively listening.

What is the school they want to attend?

 

[BadWakeboarder]

What is the school they want to attend?

TBD. But “good” schools have a 10% acceptance rate. Great schools have sub 5%.