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Russia-Ukraine war has begun

You have probably seen that Anonymous has declared their desire to attack Russia.

Russia has to know that if our banks are hit, theirs will be. I have to suspect our cyber capability dwarfs theirs. Granted, MAD may not work in cyber warfare as it does in nuclear. But I heard Senator Warner yesterday say that the US is not necessarily limiting its response to a cyberattack to just cyberwar, we reserve the right to use a military response.
They play dirty and we don't imo. Look at their social media propaganda. Do we do this to the same extent in Russia? Yes, there is radio free liberty and voice of america, but it's minuscule in comparison. We are always on defense and never on offense.
 
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You have probably seen that Anonymous has declared their desire to attack Russia.

Russia has to know that if our banks are hit, theirs will be. I have to suspect our cyber capability dwarfs theirs. Granted, MAD may not work in cyber warfare as it does in nuclear. But I heard Senator Warner yesterday say that the US is not necessarily limiting its response to a cyberattack to just cyberwar, we reserve the right to use a military response.
I have very little confidence in the cybersecurity. ESpecially with much of it now dependent on folks who work at home, and with billions of Chinese microchips in the hardware. We REACT, and suck at prevention.
 
They play dirty and we don't imo. Look at their social media propaganda. Do we do this to the same extent in Russia? Yes, there is radio free liberty and voice of america, but it's minuscule in comparison. We are always on defense and never on offense.
''They play dirty and we don't......"

This may be the most insipid post I've read in quite some time.
 
I know most of you hate Fox News, and I get it, it's bent no different than CNN/MSNBC, but I sure like Bill Hemmer. Cincy boy. Good Midwest personality. Excellent demeanor. Miami of Ohio grad. Very little snark. Proud Catholic. Good hair, but not showing off
 
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I know most of you hate Fox News, and I get it, it's bent no different than CNN/MSNBC, but I sure like Bill Hemmer. Cincy boy. Good Midwest personality. Excellent demeanor. Miami of Ohio grad. Very little snark. Proud Catholic. Good hair, but not showing off

The problem with all three cable channels isn't the news divisions. I visit the Fox website fairly often, it is conservative but isn't batcrap crazy. The problem is their entertainers. It might be a tucker, a lemon, a maddow. The entertainers disguised as news.

I listened to CNN yesterday, the vast amount of their coverage was from reporters in Ukraine, it was perfectly fine coverage. I had it on MSNBC a short time when CNN crashed, their coverage was also perfectly fine.

But all three have non-news people whose job it is is to convince us to agree with them. Those are the problems.
 
The problem with all three cable channels isn't the news divisions. I visit the Fox website fairly often, it is conservative but isn't batcrap crazy. The problem is their entertainers. It might be a tucker, a lemon, a maddow. The entertainers disguised as news.

I listened to CNN yesterday, the vast amount of their coverage was from reporters in Ukraine, it was perfectly fine coverage. I had it on MSNBC a short time when CNN crashed, their coverage was also perfectly fine.

But all three have non-news people whose job it is is to convince us to agree with them. Those are the problems.
For sure. You know I don't even get CNN. Fubo TV lost a ton of stations - from CNN to TBS to History Channel. And raised it's price.
 
I know most of you hate Fox News, and I get it, it's bent no different than CNN/MSNBC, but I sure like Bill Hemmer. Cincy boy. Good Midwest personality. Excellent demeanor. Miami of Ohio grad. Very little snark. Proud Catholic. Good hair, but not showing off
Hemmer is very good. Remember him way back when he was on local TV. Hopefully going to see his alma mater (Cincinnati Elder) lose in the basketball playoffs tonight. I think they're top-10 in Ohio, but our local, much smaller, school has beaten them 4 or 5 times in a row now.
 
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Hemmer is very good. Remember him way back when he was on local TV. Hopefully going to see his alma mater (Cincinnati Elder) lose in the basketball playoffs tonight. I think they're top-10 in Ohio, but our local, much smaller, school has beaten them 4 or 5 times in a row now.
Yeah he's great. Nice! Good luck
 
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Russia bringing Chechens in to handle Kiev?
They are the most experienced in urban combat, ruthless.
Reporting shows Russia having a problem getting to Kiev. Javelins are getting huge results. Stating that Russia has lost in one day almost 100 tanks.
 
Per The Guardian, Ukrainian Interior officials confirm Russian troops in Odessa and Mariupol.

NB: These reports are all from Ukrainian officials, not from journalists.
Russians took Mariupol, and two hours later the Ukrainians took back control more or less. Not fully controlled, in any case, Russia has a huge problem in this case. Not according the number of troops, it was reported yesterday Russia issued orders to deploy one of their experienced airborne troop divisions as well as calling Chechnyans.
 
I'm no military strategist, but I would assassinate Putin ASAP.

Another thing, why would the Chechans fight for the Kremlin??? There are some seriously warped people/ideologies in this world.
 
I'm no military strategist, but I would assassinate Putin ASAP.

Another thing, why would the Chechans fight for the Kremlin??? There are some seriously warped people/ideologies in this world.
The main Chechen leader, Kadyrov is Putin’s slave.
 
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Of course these are early stages. It appears the first stage was areas friendly to them aren’t so friendly.
 
Russia bringing Chechens in to handle Kiev?
They are the most experienced in urban combat, ruthless.
Reporting shows Russia having a problem getting to Kiev. Javelins are getting huge results. Stating that Russia has lost in one day almost 100 tanks.
If they are bringing Chechens to Ukraine that's a sign this is going to get bloody and ugly. Those folks are not afraid to die and are ruthless. Bad combination.
 
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Russia bringing Chechens in to handle Kiev?
They are the most experienced in urban combat, ruthless.
Reporting shows Russia having a problem getting to Kiev. Javelins are getting huge results. Stating that Russia has lost in one day almost 100 tanks.
Hard to fathom that they have already lost almost 100 tanks. Also impossible to know which reports are accurate and which are not.
 
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If they are bringing Chechens to Ukraine that's a sign this is going to get bloody and ugly. Those folks are not afraid to die and are ruthless. Bad combination.
Russians are taking heavier than expected losses…like you said things are about to get a lot bloodier.
 
Russians are taking heavier than expected losses…like you said things are about to get a lot bloodier.
They have only committed 1/3-1/4 of their troops on the border. They are not fully invested in the fight. If they proceed as expected ...
 
They have only committed 1/3-1/4 of their troops on the border. They are not fully invested in the fight. If they proceed as expected ...
It appears one of their experienced airborne divisions is in Kiev. Ukrainian forces have successfully eliminated some of the groups.
 
If they are bringing Chechens to Ukraine that's a sign this is going to get bloody and ugly. Those folks are not afraid to die and are ruthless. Bad combination.

Being not afraid to die can be a bad thing. It works great if the enemy is poorly led or poorly trained. An author, I can't remember who, suggested by the Battle of the Bulge the Wehrmacht was better than the SS. The argument was the SS used bravery and dash, and early in the war scared enemy would break which would allow their ruthlessness to cause mass casualties. By late in the war simply running at the enemy seldom scared them. In times where it would be better to go around a strong point, or dig in and wait for reinforcements, the SS would charge straight ahead. On a modern battlefield against a good opponent, that seldom works.

The same is true of the Japanese army. The nighttime banzai charges were incredibly brave but hugely ineffective.
 
Being not afraid to die can be a bad thing. It works great if the enemy is poorly led or poorly trained. An author, I can't remember who, suggested by the Battle of the Bulge the Wehrmacht was better than the SS. The argument was the SS used bravery and dash, and early in the war scared enemy would break which would allow their ruthlessness to cause mass casualties. By late in the war simply running at the enemy seldom scared them. In times where it would be better to go around a strong point, or dig in and wait for reinforcements, the SS would charge straight ahead. On a modern battlefield against a good opponent, that seldom works.

The same is true of the Japanese army. The nighttime banzai charges were incredibly brave but hugely ineffective.
These are hardened guys with significant combat experience in Syria, Afghanistan, Russia, etc.
 
The area is abandoned. No real resistance encountered there. Easiest way to cut a road from Belarus to Kiev with minimal resistance.

I suggest Putin's KGB training has him very, very paranoid. There would be no chance Ukraine would release radiation and poison their land, but I suspect Putin was afraid of it with 100,000 troops in the area.
 
These are hardened guys with significant combat experience in Syria, Afghanistan, Russia, etc.
Harden guys? Have you seen the photos of the Russian Troops? They are kids. They have lived for weeks and months in tents with piss-poor food.

The Ukrainians? The militia look like Canadian truck drivers with automatic weapons and ammo satchels.

In the Orange Revolution the Ukrainians kicked out one Russian Stooge. The Russians will have a helluva time installing another. Guerrilla war is underway.
 
I suggest Putin's KGB training has him very, very paranoid. There would be no chance Ukraine would release radiation and poison their land, but I suspect Putin was afraid of it with 100,000 troops in the area.
That reactor complex is being looked after by specialists. That job is not finished. If no one is looking after it, after a month or so it can explode
 
Harden guys? Have you seen the photos of the Russian Troops? They are kids. They have lived for weeks and months in tents with piss-poor food.

The Ukrainians? The militia look like Canadian truck drivers with automatic weapons and ammo satchels.

In the Orange Revolution the Ukrainians kicked out one Russian Stooge. The Russians will have a helluva time installing another. Guerrilla war is underway.
The Ukraine military is very motivated to defend Kiev. At the present time, local civilian population is also very motivated. At least for the next few days.
 
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Harden guys? Have you seen the photos of the Russian Troops? They are kids. They have lived for weeks and months in tents with piss-poor food.

The Ukrainians? The militia look like Canadian truck drivers with automatic weapons and ammo satchels.

In the Orange Revolution the Ukrainians kicked out one Russian Stooge. The Russians will have a helluva time installing another. Guerrilla war is underway.
Lol. I'm talking about the Chechens getting ready to deploy. 30 year old grizzled men. They aren't kids.
 


So, um. Sweden and Finland to NATO? Is this possibly starting to look like a colossal screwup by Putin. What if he drives these nonaligned (by treaty anyway) countries into NATO thereby strengthening it?
 
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