Maybe . . . Poland, or another NATO country. As long as we're speculating, why not go whole hog?
Putin wants to drag the US into a tactical/strategic nuclear war and see what response he gets . . . .
Russia-Ukraine war has begun
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Putin wants to drag the US into a tactical/strategic nuclear war and see what response he gets . . . .
Corruption has no ideological bent.
These weapons could be intended to stop a NATO armored column bound for Moscow from Poland.
Let Belarus become adorned with radioactive enclaves, from clouds of radioactive fallout.
As Russian fingers remain on the triggers… Putin remains ultimately responsible
That said the one (tactical) weapon three times the size of Hiroshima would flatten Kiev.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...actical-nuclear-weapons-president-2023-06-14/
Angered by counteroffensive complaints, Ukraine's top general says the expected mission is 'not feasible at all' with just the weapons his army has now
Gen. Valery Zaluzhny said even though Ukraine doesn't have the air power or strike options it wants, the offensive is still happening.
There's a reason WWI lasted for 4 years. Once defenses are in place, it's pretty damn hard to punch through. Especially when you have no offensive air power.
Angered by counteroffensive complaints, Ukraine's top general says the expected mission is 'not feasible at all' with just the weapons his army has now
Gen. Valery Zaluzhny said even though Ukraine doesn't have the air power or strike options it wants, the offensive is still happening.news.yahoo.com
Fareed Zakaria discussed Russia today saying it isn't just losing the war, it is losing the 21st century. A Russian 15-year-old has the same life expectancy as a 15-year-old Haitian. Russia has high educational attainment, but receives as many patents as the state of Georgia even though Russia has 30 times the population.
He suggests Putin has tied Russia to its huge natural resources for wealth and not manufacturing, science, or ideas.
It does seem there is something to the idea that Russia is so reactionary to the west that they refuse to have the standard of living a nation like it should have.
He suggests Putin has tied Russia to its huge natural resources for wealth and not manufacturing, science, or ideas.
It does seem there is something to the idea that Russia is so reactionary to the west that they refuse to have the standard of living a nation like it should have.
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I'll add my contribution to this thread. Ukraine 3 France 1. Ukraine in the semis of the U21 Euros. Would be incredible if they were able to win. Some pretty cool scenes out of there
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Thank you. Another meme for my collection of responses to my exes
From ISW last night …
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-5-2023
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-5-2023
- Ukrainian forces reportedly conducted counteroffensive operations in five sectors of the front on July 5 and made gains in some areas.
- Counteroffensive operations remain decidedly deliberate.
- Ukrainian forces reportedly conducted a series of missile strikes targeting Russian rear positions along the entire front overnight and during the day on July 5.
- Rear area attacks may or may not support an increase in Op-tempo.
- Ukrainian and Russian officials maintained their heightened rhetoric regarding the situation at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) on July 5 following significant claims of a possible attack against the plant overnight on July 4-5. Russia likely continues setting informational conditions for a possible false flag attack against the ZNPP, but remains unlikely to cause a radiological incident at this time.
- The game of nuclear chicken continues … this is the plant (I think) cooled by the dynamited dam.
- Ukrainian officials reported that Russia continues to procure Iranian-made Shahed drones and is setting conditions to manufacture these drones in Russia with Iran’s assistance.
- Will this take months … or weeks … US industrial production got converted in weeks in WW II
- The Kremlin continues to show concern over the risk of a potential armed rebellion in Russia after Wagner Group’s rebellion on June 24.
- And the local militia is reported disinterested in Urban Warfare training for the next march on Moscow. Riot gear is a far as they are apparently willing to go.
- The Financial Times (FT) reported that Chinese President Xi Jinping personally warned Russian President Vladimir Putin against threatening to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine during his visit to Moscow in late March.
- My Fav. Which I presume includes tactical nukes.
- Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin dismissed Sergei Mikhailov from his position as General Director of TASS state newswire and replaced him with Andrey Kondrashov.
- Apparently to much Wagner Group news went unspun.
- Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line, and Russian and Ukrainian forces continued skirmishing around Kreminna.
- Ukrainian forces conducted successful offensive operations in the Bakhmut area, and Russian milbloggers reported that Ukrainian forces liberated an important height near Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut).
- Russian and Ukrainian forces continued ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
- Ukrainian forces continued ground attacks in the western Donetsk Oblast-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.
- A Ukrainian official confirmed that Ukrainian forces maintain positions in east (left) bank Kherson Oblast.
- Ukrainian officials reported that Russia’s hybrid cryptomobilization and contract service recruitment campaigns have failed to produce large numbers of recruits, contrary to Russian claims.
- Russian officials are setting information conditions to postpone regional elections in occupied Ukraine likely out of concerns for successful Ukrainian counteroffensives.
- It’s hard to stuff ballot boxes under enemy control.
Religious Services in Ukrainian Repressed says ISW …
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-6-2023
Russian opposition media outlet Vertska reported that Russian forces and occupation authorities are conducting a campaign of systematic religious persecution in occupied Ukraine. Verstka found that Russian forces and occupation authorities have committed at least 109 acts of religious persecution and destroyed nearly 600 places of worship in Ukraine since February 24, 2022.[32] Verstka uncovered the stories of people whom Russian forces and occupation authorities kidnapped, arrested, captured, tortured, and killed over their faith.[33] The investigation found that Orthodox and Protestant Christians are the most repressed group in the occupied territories, but that Catholics, Muslims, and Jehovah’s Witnesses have also been persecuted.[34] Verstka cited at least 43 cases in which clergymen were targeted for their faith, including eight who were kidnapped and five who were killed.[35] Verstka reported that at least 66 places of worship have been confiscated or destroyed by Russian forces and turned into warehouses, police departments, National Guard offices, or ‘United Russia’ offices.[36] Verstka noted that the primary purposes of religious oppression in the occupied territories are to suppress the Ukrainian language, which services are commonly conducted, to discourage or punish congregants who refuse to support occupation authorities, and to pressure congregations and priests into supporting the Russian Orthodox Church.[37] ISW previously reported that Russian occupation authorities were likely conducting a campaign of religious persecution in occupied Ukraine to systematically eradicate “undesirable” religious organizations and promote the Moscow Patriarchate.[38] ISW previously assessed that Russian forces would likely intensify their campaign and that Russian authorities are conducting religious persecution in a way that is entirely at odds with efforts to frame Russian President Vladimir Putin as the true protector of the Christian faith.[39]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-6-2023
Russian opposition media outlet Vertska reported that Russian forces and occupation authorities are conducting a campaign of systematic religious persecution in occupied Ukraine. Verstka found that Russian forces and occupation authorities have committed at least 109 acts of religious persecution and destroyed nearly 600 places of worship in Ukraine since February 24, 2022.[32] Verstka uncovered the stories of people whom Russian forces and occupation authorities kidnapped, arrested, captured, tortured, and killed over their faith.[33] The investigation found that Orthodox and Protestant Christians are the most repressed group in the occupied territories, but that Catholics, Muslims, and Jehovah’s Witnesses have also been persecuted.[34] Verstka cited at least 43 cases in which clergymen were targeted for their faith, including eight who were kidnapped and five who were killed.[35] Verstka reported that at least 66 places of worship have been confiscated or destroyed by Russian forces and turned into warehouses, police departments, National Guard offices, or ‘United Russia’ offices.[36] Verstka noted that the primary purposes of religious oppression in the occupied territories are to suppress the Ukrainian language, which services are commonly conducted, to discourage or punish congregants who refuse to support occupation authorities, and to pressure congregations and priests into supporting the Russian Orthodox Church.[37] ISW previously reported that Russian occupation authorities were likely conducting a campaign of religious persecution in occupied Ukraine to systematically eradicate “undesirable” religious organizations and promote the Moscow Patriarchate.[38] ISW previously assessed that Russian forces would likely intensify their campaign and that Russian authorities are conducting religious persecution in a way that is entirely at odds with efforts to frame Russian President Vladimir Putin as the true protector of the Christian faith.[39]
Am I the only one who thinks that Prigozhin's next move is a secret Bond Villain lair on a private island or under a mountain or something?
www.theguardian.com
Wagner boss Prigozhin has returned to Russia, Lukashenko says
Belarus president says head of mercenary group behind failed mutiny is in St Petersburg
I think a fortress made of pine strategically placed in a defensive position 6 feet underground.Am I the only one who thinks that Prigozhin's next move is a secret Bond Villain lair on a private island or under a mountain or something?
Wagner boss Prigozhin has returned to Russia, Lukashenko says
Belarus president says head of mercenary group behind failed mutiny is in St Petersburg
I see him as Oddjob not Goldfinger.Am I the only one who thinks that Prigozhin's next move is a secret Bond Villain lair on a private island or under a mountain or something?
Wagner boss Prigozhin has returned to Russia, Lukashenko says
Belarus president says head of mercenary group behind failed mutiny is in St Petersburg
I am not sure I support the cluster munitions, depending on if Russia is using them. But they can break open holes in a defensive line.
The Russians are shooting missiles into apartment buildings. Clusterfvck them.
Ahh the old "Measured defeat while holding the moral high ground".
I love it when my opponents do this. Much like IU Basketball the last 20 years.
It isn't the Russians, I don't care about Russian soldiers. Clusters have a bad habit of killing civilians, in this case, Ukrainian civilians.
Am I the only one who thinks that Prigozhin's next move is a secret Bond Villain lair on a private island or under a mountain or something?
Wagner boss Prigozhin has returned to Russia, Lukashenko says
Belarus president says head of mercenary group behind failed mutiny is in St Petersburg
The Russians have already heavily mined the area to defend their lines. Demining operations will be necessary for years after the war is over.
Good point. Of course if they keep using them passed the prepared positions, the problem spreads. It is going to be a long time before huge swaths of Ukraine are liveable. That problem grows if Russia destroys the nuke plant.
Zelenskyy hails Ukraine’s forces from symbolic Black Sea island to mark 500 days of war
The Ukrainian president visited Snake Island, which took on took on almost mythological status for Ukraine’s resistance days after the Russian invasion.
www.nbcnews.com
An interesting perspective:
The failed coup in Russia has turned Putin into a lame duck
The good news is that Prigozhin and Putin both lost. The bad news is that the people who benefited the most and stand to control post-Putin Russia are, frankly, nuts.
thehill.com
Captured Russian soldier said commanders were high on painkillers and gave 'nonsensical orders' like sending them out under mortar fire
Slava, who was recruited from a Russian prison to fight in Ukraine, said commanders would order their soldiers out under mortar fire while high.
So the beef with cluster bombs is the "duds", right? The unexploded clusters pose a threat to non-combatants years into the future, correct?
How big of a problem is this, really? Are one in ten clusters a dud? One in fifty? One in a hundred?
The Red Cross says 10-40%. Even if it is high and is 5%, that is a lot.
My guess is in the fall mud season, the percentage will be higher than summer.
U.S. Sending Cluster Bombs To Ukraine—Here’s Why They’re So Controversial
Over 100 countries—not including the U.S., Russia or Ukraine—have banned cluster munitions since 2008.
www.google.com
Didn’t the liberation of Kuwait take under 500 days.
Five hundred days ago Russia launched an unprovoked war of conquest against Ukraine. The Russian military intended to take Kyiv within three days but failed to accomplish any of its intended objectives in Ukraine. Determined and skillful Ukrainian resistance has forced the culmination of multiple Russian offensives including the one aimed at Kyiv and has liberated Sumy and Chernihiv oblasts, as well as the parts of Kharkiv, Mykolaiv, and Kherson oblasts that Russian forces had temporarily seized. Ukrainian forces have secured and retained the initiative and are conducting counteroffensive operations along most of the frontline with Russian forces focused almost entirely on trying to hold on to the Ukrainian lands they still occupy. With Western assistance, Ukraine has ensured its independence but faces the critical task of liberating the strategically vital territory still under Russian control.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-assessment-july-8-2023
Five hundred days ago Russia launched an unprovoked war of conquest against Ukraine. The Russian military intended to take Kyiv within three days but failed to accomplish any of its intended objectives in Ukraine. Determined and skillful Ukrainian resistance has forced the culmination of multiple Russian offensives including the one aimed at Kyiv and has liberated Sumy and Chernihiv oblasts, as well as the parts of Kharkiv, Mykolaiv, and Kherson oblasts that Russian forces had temporarily seized. Ukrainian forces have secured and retained the initiative and are conducting counteroffensive operations along most of the frontline with Russian forces focused almost entirely on trying to hold on to the Ukrainian lands they still occupy. With Western assistance, Ukraine has ensured its independence but faces the critical task of liberating the strategically vital territory still under Russian control.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-assessment-july-8-2023
I think the concern is, that as areal weapons, cluster munitions can have a wider dispersion than desired.The Red Cross says 10-40%. Even if it is high and is 5%, that is a lot.
My guess is in the fall mud season, the percentage will be higher than summer.
U.S. Sending Cluster Bombs To Ukraine—Here’s Why They’re So Controversial
Over 100 countries—not including the U.S., Russia or Ukraine—have banned cluster munitions since 2008.
As such, they have higher probabilities of collateral damage. They are not Lone Ranger’s ‘Silver Bullets’ with a CEP (Circular Error Probability) of zero. — They don’t fly into the third window on the left.
Chinese firecrackers and fireworks do better than 5%, or there would be unexplored ordinance in my yard from the 4th of July. But fireworks don’t spend years being warehoused in an arsenal.
Unexploded bomblets can be a feature, to slow enemy reactions after an attack, effectively sowing an anti personnel minefield in the process. Indeed, there are cluster munitions specifically designed to sow anti personnel minefields using plastic cased bomblets. These don’t show up well with metal detectors.
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-russia-using-butterfly-mines-in-ukraine/a-61120270
(60 Minutes, I recall, once did a feature on butterfly cluster bombs but I couldn’t find it … this DW article has the key facts for Russian butterfly cluster bombs).
Just heard on NPR: Wagner is not only still in Russia, but is also still actively recruiting.
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