So…what’s everybody think? Was it justice or injustice keeping him out of the HoF for life?
Think he’ll get in posthumously?
Think he’ll get in posthumously?
RIP Pete Rose
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He was his own worst enemy and couldn’t get out of his own way, but I would have liked to see him in the Hall while he was alive.
It would have been good for the Reds and Cincinnati. I truly believed no one loved baseball more than he did.
No need to keep him out. I was a huge supporter of him getting in alive but it became evident he lied way too much
Damn!!!!!! Anyone who played that hard should have gotten in
Injustice.
I hate the Reds, but Rose should have gotten in with an asterisk.
Baseball (all sport) is about performance.
I always felt like they’d eventually let him in while he was still alive.
I guess not.
He does belong in the hall of fame though.
I guess not.
He does belong in the hall of fame though.
Never is a long time but I don't expect they will let him in any time soon. They should, though.
I was a huge Reds fan growing up, and Pete Rose was a big reason for that.
He pissed all over the game of baseball, and did not belong in the Hall.
I hope he gets in within 5 years now.
He pissed all over the game of baseball, and did not belong in the Hall.
I hope he gets in within 5 years now.
Wow. Just heard this. Just got back from working out and my bride told me after I showered.
He lied and he was a pretty scummy guy around the city. But I don’t believe he ever negatively impacted the score of a game or its ultimate outcome.
The thing I always appreciated about Rose is that he got more out of his natural ability than any other athlete I can think about. Jordan had a higher ceiling and probably got as close to his as Rose did.
I think it’s a travesty that he was denied induction to the HOF while alive. Bart Giamatti is the ultimate villain to the west side of Cincinnati. Westsiders might tear down the Hall if they try something now.
Rose was one of the greatest batters ever. He agreed to the lifetime ban, case closed.
The two greatest hitters ever are banned. Thats life.
The two greatest hitters ever are banned. Thats life.
You can't have a baseball HOF without the all time hits leader.
Harold Freaking Baines is in, but not Rose?
Harold Freaking Baines is in, but not Rose?
Compare that to Mantle. He never played sober. It’s hard enough to play slow pitch softball while in the bag. He’s in the discussion of best talents ever.
Pete was an ass but he competed
Something tells me Pete no longer gives a shit
Man, that’s cold.
Rose always expected a reprieve and some form of redemption.
Had Rose been given the honor, after all these years, he would have cried at the podium for half an hour. And you can bet that the HOFers at the induction would have been right there with him. There might be a couple of hard asses who might have boycotted but I’m convinced the great majority would have supported him.
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Ted Williams is in.
If Mantle hadn’t had all of the knee problems over the years he would have all the records.
Read something recently that included a quote from him that if you took all the times he walked or struck out there were essentially seven years when he didn’t touch a baseball.
Rose made a deal. The lifetime ban was not imposed against his will.
Right. But it preserved Rose’s right to apply for reinstatement at some future date, which was the real get for him.
How many baseball writers who vote on HOF nominees bet on sports?
Asking for a dead friend.
Asking for a dead friend.
He bet on games. He's out. Never let him in.
Mess with the integrity of the game, you're out. Simple.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericma...ose-should-never-be-admitted-to-hall-of-fame/ :
MLB Rule 21 provides that a player will be banned for life if he bets on a game in which he is involved. Here's the language of that Rule:
It is impossible for a player not to be aware of Rule 21. It's everywhere. It's posted in the clubhouse. It's in the shower. It's carved into soap. It's in the sandwiches. Every player every year acknowledges the rule in writing. The ubiquity of the rule underscores its importance. Rose knew the rule and broke it.
MLB Rule 21 provides that a player will be banned for life if he bets on a game in which he is involved. Here's the language of that Rule:
The Rule was put in place in 1927 after the Black Sox scandal of 1919, when eight Chicago White Sox were accused of throwing the World Series in exchange for money from gamblers. The scandal had the potential of toppling the game and MLB acted quickly by implementing Rule 21.
It is impossible for a player not to be aware of Rule 21. It's everywhere. It's posted in the clubhouse. It's in the shower. It's carved into soap. It's in the sandwiches. Every player every year acknowledges the rule in writing. The ubiquity of the rule underscores its importance. Rose knew the rule and broke it.
Wonder if that rule has been litigated. Rose settled if I remember right
I guess duty to perform means participates
MLB and the NBHOF&M are separate and distinct entities.
The latter passed a rule after all this went on with Rose which disqualified anybody on the permanent ineligible list from their ballots.
There’s no reason they couldn’t repeal that rule - independently of MLB’s rules.
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VanPastorMan
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My Grandpa was a huge Reds fan. He absolutely loved Rose. He and my Dad got into it during the 75 World Series because Dad was a Red Sox fan. Rose accepted the ban but later wanted it lifted. It was not injust or just to keep him out. He just had to live with the original ban. I do think he will probably get in. It should be sooner rather than later because over time people will not care as much.
VanPastorMan
Hall of Famer
I've shared this before. My father is not doing well. He has dementia. If he heard right now that Ted Williams wasn't in the HOF he would come to and object to it.
No reason to repeal it. It’s a good rule. It works.
I’m not necessarily arguing for that. I’m just saying that Rule 21 isn’t the controlling factor here. That’s a different rule from a different entity. All that does is render such a player ineligible to play, coach, manage, etc for MLB teams.
HBO had a good special on Pete Rose that came out a few months ago https://www.max.com/shows/charlie-h...nk&utm_medium=affiliate&clickref=1101lzJAPsG4
The HBO show gives you a good look at Pete and the arguments against reinstatement. You forget a lot of the facts over time, and this sums up the arguments about him getting into the baseball hall of fame.
The HBO show gives you a good look at Pete and the arguments against reinstatement. You forget a lot of the facts over time, and this sums up the arguments about him getting into the baseball hall of fame.
Pete will go down as the greatest player of all time who never made the HOF in the hearts, of many, if not most fans.
The irony here is, not being in the hall makes Pete special among the great players.
Well...Barry Bonds. You could make a pretty strong argument that Barry Bonds is the best to ever play the game. But there's a very obvious asterisk that will always go along with that.
It would be really interesting to know which players who are in the HoF ever used PEDs without ever even being accused of it. I'd bet that isn't an empty list.
I had no idea till just now that Pete had died,when I saw the story about the last teammate meeting on Sun on my yahoo feed. I guess I didn't visit this site after your thread was posted because I was still digesting KK,and Mtombo's deaths.
Pete JB, Morgan, Concepcion etc were the reason I became a Reds fan back in the 70s. The Indpls Indians were the Reds AAA farm team and WLW out of Cincy had a huge media presence in Indy with WLWI. So in a sense the Reds were my local team. It was kind of amazing to see their transformation after they moved from Crosley to Riverfront and Pete was always larger than life. So it's kind of shocking to see him gone...
For anyone that followed the Art Schlichter saga... In the 1990 Series the Reds were pretty heavy underdogs to the As. Not only did they win, but they swept which was a huge shock.
But the thing I remember most about that series was hometown boy Schlichter calling me in Vegas from either Game 1 or 2 in Cincy and mentioning that he and Pete were at the game together. Just two high rollers (and Reds fans) taking in the scene at Riverfront like 50,000 or so others...
RIP Pete...
If he had ever told the complete truth about what he did, he'd have had a chance. I don't think he did. He might get in at some point, but I wouldn't bet much on it.
