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Republican Georgia election official calls on Trump and GOP to stop inciting violence

LOL! You're getting old but I wouldn't bet on the other guy yet! :cool: :D

I've been mad enough to throat punch one poster so I put him on ignore and he's been there for years. I don't want to meet him because I'm afraid I'd be arrested for pounding him. Maybe I'd have you pound him for me. Since you're an old white guy the cops might let you off easy!
All Aloha needs to do is honestly say, “Yes Sir, Officer, I cold-cocked the son of a bitch,” and they’d let him go.
 
This may have been true before Trump, but it most certainly isn’t the case now. Trump is attempting a broad daylight coup and several elected Republicans are supporting his efforts, or at the very least not condemning them. When the Democrats try and subvert an election, we can talk.
Just several? My understanding is that the vast majority of the Republicans are supporting his efforts.
 
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The key word being legal. The rest is just your opinion.

On the other hand, dear leader is taking money from foreign leaders through his hotels.

Maybe we should address the illegal corruption first.


problem is, the legalized corruption is as bad or worse, even far worse, for the country and the vast majority of the citizenry, far more prevalent, and much tougher to stop for obvious reasons.

that said, what did i say that you deem just my opinion?
 
hardly.

Name one democrat president as bad as Trump.

So, while you can name some minor crap, you definitely can't show that both sides suck equally.


Bill Clinton supported and signed NAFTA, and deregulated the banks literally insuring the 2008 financial meltdown, and in turn leading to the ever growing collapse of the dollar.

as big of a total scum of an individual and leader as Trump is, Bill left a high bar as a terrible prez.

that said, covid made for a bad leader to be a total disaster, which perhaps works in Bill's favor in not being the worst of the terrible.

that said, GW Bush lied his ass off to take us into a permanent state of war, (for which he should still be in prison), and destabilized the middle east. (and did little to nothing positive to offset the horrible he did).

and Reagan killed the working and middle class for the last 40 yrs and still counting, just so the rich could get much richer.

Obama on the other hand, was merely a massive disappointment who totally frittered away his chance.

that said, as beyond bad as Trump has been, he still has a long way to go to be anywhere near as bad as Reagan, Clinton, or GW.

i guess the reason Obama is thought of as well as he is, or papa Bush, is due to their being compared against total and complete sht since 1980.
 
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Bill Clinton supported and signed NAFTA, and deregulated the banks literally insuring the 2008 financial meltdown, and in turn leading to the ever growing collapse of the dollar.

as big of a total scum of an individual and leader as Trump is, Bill left a high bar as a terrible prez.

that said, covid made for a bad leader to be a total disaster, which perhaps works in Bill's favor in not being the worst of the terrible.

that said, GW Bush lied his ass off to take us into a permanent state of war, (for which he should still be in prison), and destabilized the middle east. (and did little to nothing positive to offset the horrible he did).

and Reagan killed the working and middle class for the last 40 yrs and still counting, just so the rich could get much richer.

Obama on the other hand, was merely a massive disappointment who totally frittered away his chance.

that said, as beyond bad as Trump has been, he still has a long way to go to be anywhere near as bad as Reagan, Clinton, or GW.

i guess the reason Obama is thought of as well as he is, or papa Bush, is due to their being compared against total and complete sht since 1980.

That was a nice attempt but bush led us to the recession. Clinton was an adulterer but that is about it.

Obama didn't get much done because as soon as the GOP took the senate, they said no to anything he wanted.

But I was not talking about disagreeing with policy. I am talking about corrupt, vile behavior.
 
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That was a nice attempt but bush led us to the recession. Clinton was an adulterer but that is about it.

Obama didn't get much done because as soon as the GOP took the senate, they said no to anything he wanted.

But I was not talking about disagreeing with policy. I am talking about corrupt, vile behavior.
Explain exactly how Bush caused the recession. No one else making that claim here has been able to explain it.
 
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That was a nice attempt but bush led us to the recession. Clinton was an adulterer but that is about it.

Obama didn't get much done because as soon as the GOP took the senate, they said no to anything he wanted.

But I was not talking about disagreeing with policy. I am talking about corrupt, vile behavior.
You are the drunk 24 year old at the sausage fest trying to impress people with your marginal understanding of economics. And instead you continue to make an ass of yourself at the sausage fest.

Everybody older than 25 understands that Clinton’s tenure of deregulation set the stage. I don’t think it was malevolent - as the real blame lies on the greed of this particular finance sector, but Bush just followed Clinton’s coat tails.

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You are the drunk 24 year old at the sausage fest trying to impress people with your marginal understanding of economics. And instead you continue to make an ass of yourself at the sausage fest.

Everybody older than 25 understands that Clinton’s tenure of deregulation set the stage. I don’t think it was malevolent - as the real blame lies on the greed of this particular finance sector, but Bush just followed Clinton’s coat tails.

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lol. “Everybody”? From your link:
It is the subject of heated political and scholarly debate whether any of these moves are to blame for our troubles, but they certainly played a role in creating a permissive lending environment.​


Hickory, 3-1. Own goalathon.
 
lol. “Everybody”? From your link:
It is the subject of heated political and scholarly debate whether any of these moves are to blame for our troubles, but they certainly played a role in creating a permissive lending environment.​


Hickory, 3-1. Own goalathon.
Ya know, I think everybody here has graduated from junior high school . . . it's why Mc's popularity lists were lame.
 
Ya know, I think everybody here has graduated from junior high school . . . it's why Mc's popularity lists were lame.
Equating ad hominem attacks with own goals seems a fitting banality, especially considering DeRanger has been (feebly) attempting to gaslight Sglowrider, Hickory and me lately.
 
We have this discussion and you're still wrong. You're talking about over 70 million Americans that voted for him (as all know here, I wasn't one of them), but they not OK or "fine with" racism as you've tried to claim several times. That's a ridiculous notion.

Some percentage of those 70 million are racist. I would make no claim as to what that percentage is. We could probably come up with another category that looks at people who upon hearing of George Floyd’s death were quick to comment, “I don’t think he was a good guy”. Or “They would be better off protesting crime rates in their communities”. Or may favorite “he probably had it coming”. I’m not certain you would call those people racist but they appear to somewhat indifferent. That indifference would allow someone to vote for a candidate that had the appearance of being racist. With that said there are many other factors in play.
 
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We have this discussion and you're still wrong. You're talking about over 70 million Americans that voted for him (as all know here, I wasn't one of them), but they not OK or "fine with" racism as you've tried to claim several times. That's a ridiculous notion.
True. However Trump did succeed in flipping all those racist Democrats you’ve always talked about.
 
True. However Trump did succeed in flipping all those racist Democrats you’ve always talked about.

Voting for a racist wasn’t a deal breaker for the mostly republican Trump voters. While not all 100% of them are racist, and while they don’t go around promoting racism, their candidate being racist was something they were obviously willing to compromise on.
 
Voting for a racist wasn’t a deal breaker for the mostly republican Trump voters. While not all 100% of them are racist, and while they don’t go around promoting racism, their candidate being racist was something they were obviously willing to compromise on.
It’s not the only thing they compromised on. They compromised on character, values, you name it, anything other than lower taxes, de regulation, and the like.
 
You are the drunk 24 year old at the sausage fest trying to impress people with your marginal understanding of economics. And instead you continue to make an ass of yourself at the sausage fest.

Everybody older than 25 understands that Clinton’s tenure of deregulation set the stage. I don’t think it was malevolent - as the real blame lies on the greed of this particular finance sector, but Bush just followed Clinton’s coat tails.

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And even Clinton had coattails to ride on. Deregulation was simply part of the neoliberal wave that took over both parties in earnest post-Carter. Hell, if you really want to blame someone, blame Milton Friedman. :D
 
And even Clinton had coattails to ride on. Deregulation was simply part of the neoliberal wave that took over both parties in earnest post-Carter. Hell, if you really want to blame someone, blame Milton Friedman. :D
Post-Carter? I thought it was Carter was the one who deregulated trucking and the airlines . . . and beer (at Billy's suggestion?).
 
Post-Carter? I thought it was Carter was the one who deregulated trucking and the airlines . . . and beer (at Billy's suggestion?).
I didn't mean to give Carter specifically a pass. It just seems like 1980 was really the turning point for when both parties took a giant leap toward market capitalism. But I'm no economist, so if someone wants to correct me and say it's more like 1976, I'm fine with that!
 
What makes one a socialist?

I think he is referring to him saying politicians shouldn't be allowed to make money based on their celebrity. The whole point of capitalism is for people to be able to make money.

Celebrities make money on their celebrity all the time ;)
 
I think he is referring to him saying politicians shouldn't be allowed to make money based on their celebrity. The whole point of capitalism is for people to be able to make money.

Celebrities make money on their celebrity all the time ;)
One could easily argue that capitalism is based on celebrity. Nowadays. What’s the difference between some well-advertised brand name and some generic form of the same thing? The celebrity of expensive advertising.
 
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It’s not the only thing they compromised on. They compromised on character, values, you name it, anything other than lower taxes, de regulation, and the like.

You listed those first two traits like they actually had those to compromise on.
 
They ran on it, introduced a bill to amend the constitution, and most Republicans voted for it. It failed to get the two thirds required. They also passed term limits for Congress and Senate in several state legislatures, but the USSC struck those down.

Term limits are an absolute necessity.
 
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I think I’ll do my 5 miler. Breathing is a subset of that.
Was rough today. Barely sub 44 minutes. Hard time catching my breath in the cold.

And having two Christmas ales last night didn’t help.
 
Was rough today. Barely sub 44 minutes. Hard time catching my breath in the cold.

And having two Christmas ales last night didn’t help.
OK, I'll bite . . . how cold was it?

I used to run down by the Chattahoochee in the mornings, and during winter it would often be in the 25-30 degree range. Drawing a breath in the cold wasn't a problem . . . and neither were the knees back then, but the knees sure are a problem now! But then, I'm old . . . .
 

Term limits are an absolute necessity.
You will get a bunch of support for this idea if you present it fairly (apologies to all Testudines).
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OK, I'll bite . . . how cold was it?

I used to run down by the Chattahoochee in the mornings, and during winter it would often be in the 25-30 degree range. Drawing a breath in the cold wasn't a problem . . . and neither were the knees back then, but the knees sure are a problem now! But then, I'm old . . . .
A bit north of 30. Usually the cold doesn’t bother me so it must be the damn beers.
 
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