I have no idea why he originally committed nor what he thought post TJD IU would look like
Reneau is coming back ….
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I'd agree for the most part on a 100-200K difference, and my guess is all these kids can work out something through agents or "friends of the family" where they can get a loan, but I think the amount of NIL will play a role if it's much more than that (say $400K or more). The bottom line is most of these kids believe they are going to play in the NBA regardless of where they go, and most are probably right: it depends more on them than the system or coach. But certainly being highlighted in a system helps. It's why it's been frustrating that CMW couldn't capitalize more off of JHS's success to get guards. In my mind the school that has separated themselves on NBA likelihood is UK, but now they're losing in the tournament. Did you see Calipari's pre game presser yesterday? Flatly stated that 70+% of kids who get a UK scholly play in the NBA (think he said are drafted) and of those, 73% get a 2nd NBA contract. That's powerful. It was funny hearing Jay Wright comment that "that's recruiting, right there!". IMO, that's why Boogie picked UK, not because he didn't want to play in CMW's system/offense. Oh, and I'll bet there NIL deal was within $200K of IU's, if not more. Now Love, Knecht, et al...? That might've had more to do with how CMW/IU would use them.
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There is some amount of money that would persuade Ware to return. If he is drafted bottom of first round then likely 2 year contract at $2 mil+ per year and then the third year option. if he stayed chance of career ending injury so say at least $4-5 mil to get him to stay I guess
Reneau was our second leading scorer (just slightly lower than Ware), got 6 rebounds per game and shot more free throws than anyone else. Yes, he needs to defend better without fouling, but comparing him to Troy Williams is beyond ridiculous.
Not really. Basketball IQ of both is minimal. Emotional Intelligence of MR needs a complete redo.
I'm sure there is...but if you're able and willing to give anyone that kind of money...then split it up 2-3 ways and go get a couple guys like Zeke Mayo, Robert Ford III, and some stud 3 and D wing guy.
Not sure Woody would know how to coach those guys...but as much as I love Kelel Ware, that'd be a much better ROI, even if Woody couldn't maximize them.
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I doubt he would come back for less than 3 million minimum given the risk of injury. He knows woodson needs him in the worst way so he can name his price. IF woodson has to pay 4 million basically all the NIL is gone.
Oh for the good old days when Larry Bird was so poor he showed up on campus with little more then the clothes on his back and was so embarrassed he left. I came from a poor rural background and know what it’s like. These current top players are not in any way poor and I am glad for NIL for their sake even though it sucks for me.
Reneau had the same number of turnovers this year as Williams did his last year - 93. Reneau had 18 more assists.
Right, except that at least at IU, just about every player on our bball team (Leal was getting enough to pay his sister's tuition, so by just about every player, I mean, every player!) is getting some NIL, whereas a very small fraction are ever sniffing the NBA, or will even play pro ball. NIL is pretty impactful for all athletes in major sports and the best in many of the secondary ones, it sounds like.
They might not be after NIL, but they/their families certainly could be before. And, NIL isn't life changing money for most, but damn, it sure would be nice to know your kid might be making $100-200K over 4 years at a school like IU vs you having to pay for everything as Larry and is parents and yours, did!
It is concerning that we are basically having to pay players whatever they want to stay at IU or even come here. More money is not going to improve heart and effort. It basically puts the players in control with no power left to coach them.
Cody Williams is No 1 in many mock drafts and his brother Jalen is having a hell of a rookie season for OKC. Sam Presti is one hell of a judge of NBA talent.
Agreed he can name his price at IU honestly. GIven Woodson had zero recruits signed they know he is super desperate.
When the boosters said we are giving woodson 2 million more to be successful that just proves to me they know he cannot be successful without having to buy players at top dollar. It also shows me the boosters have no clue about basketball. I guarantee Northwestern does not even have 1/3 the NIL IU does and they are a far better team. IU used to be liek a Northewestern or WIsconsin but now we are no different than a Kentucky.
OKC has two rookie of the year candidates with Holmgren being injured last season and now Williams.
I think they just set him up for more failure because 6 is not enough for CMW.
It most certainly is not given the way he is already shelling it out. But do they really care I think they would rather just smoke cigars with him.
From the comments I've read and heard, there's zero % chance he's coming back, period. He's going to be a first round pick, maybe end of lottery depending on how he does in workouts and will get a multi-year contract. Plus, more than anything, I think he wants to be in the NBA. Ware's gone, the coaching staff can focus on Reanu and now Mbako and filling out the roster from there.
Except you mentioned basketball IQ. Reneau sees the floor better than TW did. We also have not seen MR dribbling mindlessly at the top of the key while the shot clock winds down, only to turn the ball over or take a bad shot like TW was famous for.
I think the players in the portal can see through Woodson's schtick. Its all about the benjamins....and IU is going to have to cough up an obscene amount of cash just to find guys who can get IU into the upper half of the conference. Unfortunately, if that happened...Woodson will get a raise and an extension. Catch 22, rinse and repeat. I can't compare the IU vicious cycle with anything else....and I've tried. Maybe the Chicago Bears?
