It definitely is. From the sound of things on Peegs, Sisley and Mullins are both going elsewhere. Families love IU but not what they are seeing on court.
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Using your logic, there is no other coach out there. I would rather be here again in 3 years than wait another season just to be here again in 4 years.
I don’t think we are going to get a quality coach if we spend 12 million to buyout Woodson and another millions more to buyout another coaches contract. It is easy to spend money when it is not yours. Plus who wants to coach at a destination when they turnover coaches every three years? What is Beard’s buyout at Ole Miss since that is the popular choice to replace Woodson?
The national champions the last few seasons are retaining players and have upperclassmen that have stayed in the same program"
Woody will be 66 in March. That's one big difference.
What they have in common is that neither has evolved as a coach.
Woody's PC after the Wisconsin game was not good.....exact same verbiage as he's used all along. Which tells me he either doesn't quite grasp what's going on, or he doesn't have a clue as to what to do about it.
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So then you agree, IU isn't what you just outlined. Hence, its time to move forward. I knew I would get you there, it was just a matter of how that would be accomplished.
You do know many coaches coach at least until 70 and even beyond. If they look like they win or get people to the NBA, pay good NIL there will be recruits and transfers available. I am old and old school but from watching the new landscape I think there are a lot more variables than most take into account.
Most said the same about Tom Allen, and well, we did. It's easy to say we won't spend that money when you don't know whether or not we already have it ready to go.
Every 3 years? Archie was hired in 2017 and fired after the 2021 season. Tom Crean was with IU from 2008 through 2017. You act like its a precedent that was sent forth as opposed to an outlier. If a coach is afraid they would come to IU and would not be successful after 3 years, then I hope those candidates will refuse to come to IU. Call it natural selection, if you will.
I’m not going to speculate on what he was thinking when he took the job (or maybe I will lower in this post, VBG). but as fans……
Does anyone think that the IU job is hard? Let me rephrase that: There is a universe between where we are as a program and where the elite programs are. How hard should it be to turn IU into a perennial top 25 team?
IMHO, you have to be a pretty crappy program if you aren’t making the tournament 90+ percent of the time. In fact, there are teams that make it 90% of the time that many here would consider junk programs.
Now, throw NIL into the mix, throw in the portal )and the ability to outbid programs like KU). Add to that fan support, and school resources.
Now, go back to the decision to hire Woodson. Why wouldn’t he (or anyone with half an ego) expect to just show up in a nice suit and coach the team to an annual top 25 finish?
It's actually quite shocking........
Going into Woodson year 2 we had Trayce & Race, Bates as a soph, and a freshman class of JHS, MR, and Gunn & Banks. It looked like if he could corral X we'd be off to the races........
You going to be quite disappointed this spring. I will say a prayer for your mental health when Woodson is still your coach next fall. You are comparing apples to oranges my friend.
No, I don't think this is reasonable at all, and I have never coached a basketball team.
No coach comes in and thinks it will be easy to be a top 25 team. You have 351 D1 programs first of all, so to be top 25 you have to be in the 90th percentile of that. And granted, the vast majority of those programs don't have the resouces but among those that do they all have coaches working hard to build winning programs. The idea that you would just show up in a nice suit and be a top 25 team is laughable. I can't imagine even the most egotistical coach thinking it's that easy.
This is a program in rigor mortis. In case you haven't noticed.....it isn't just Wisky that owns IU.... now its Rutgers too. Its a program with a historical name. If I went to Tombstone...I doubt I'd run into Wyatt Earp.
If he wasn’t in his mid 60’s I would agree but he is already a short term coach.
Jay Wright is retired. He's 62, and by retiring has already said "I'm done with coaching." He has all the money he will ever need. Why would Jay Wright come out of retirement back to the grind of a HC job to try to execute a rebuild that 5 coaches since RMK have been so far unable to do?
I honestly don't know why Woodson did it other than out of a sense of duty. I don't think he would have done it for any other program.
Like I said those are longshots. I think Beard would come in a heartbeat. I also feel the same about Pearl.
If you're saying a prayer, it's your mental health that is most concerning. Regardless, I didn't say it's what will happen, I am saying it's what needs to happen. You are the only one declaring predictions on what will happen.
I dont think Pearl would move and at 63 I dont think it makes sense.
Ole Miss threw Beard a lifeline and I wonder if he would be willing to turn his back on that so soon.
May signed that big FAU contract extension.
So where does that leave IU ?
Bennett might want a fresh start outside the ACC. I don’t like his style of play. We might get bored with it.
The insider over on BB says the 2025 class could be a bust as Woody has basically stopped recruiting. Apparently some of our top targets in that class are not happy with the staff. Also, someone said none of the coaches were out recruiting over the weekend which is extremely odd.
Sounds like Woody is planning to burn it down until he gets that $12M he's owed. What an awful hire.
iirc May's contract has a surprisingly modest buyout but, in any event I expect him to move on to a bigger job before IU has an opportunity to hire him-maybe SEC or ACC
i have no idea what Schertz's contract looks like--i assume the info's out there somewhere in the interwebs
I also have no idea what Dolson and, more importantly, Pres Whitten feel about Beard or Pearl (or, for that matter, whether either would be interested in the IU job circa 2024-25)
these points are why I mentioned some other names earlier in addition to May and Schertz-Valentine, English, Kelsey, etc
It is alarming, if true, he should give that bonus back immediately if he plans to live in Btown after the inevitable. That's sounds about as breachable a violation of a coaching contract as I could imagine
Saw that it and now we see why Woodson only landed one fall recruit the last two summers. He is not 100% in this like I thought. Thanks alot Quinn. I bet the top 2025 guys go to purdue
Did u hear him talk about Indiana this year yes he would. Also Beard loves Knight and would come here in a second plus Pitno did the same thing to Iona. May's buyout is
If May takes another job before Feb. 29, 2024 he will owe the university $1.5 million. That number decreases to $1 million, $750,000 and $500,000 over the next three years
I read it quite well. It’s due to the fact that your argument keeps changing. I implied nothing; I specifically stated that, when you fire a Coach, you lose 95% of his recruits since they can now go to the portal. If you are going to hire a new coach, you had better find one with a fully stocked roster he can convince to come to IU or to stay for those previously committed. However, once it becomes known in the coaching circle that it’s 3 years or the road, your roster of candidates diminishes.
One of the reasons
My point is that Davis did for Knight what maybe Fife did for Woodson. If CMK doesn’t have a young recruiter who can relate to today’s players and their aspirations, he’d best start recruiting one. His job may depend on it.
Mike Davis was given the IU job, besides continuity and the players liking him, because he was successful in recruiting. He was then in over his head as HC, but that’s a different topic.
My point is that Davis did for Knight what maybe Fife did for Woodson. If CMK doesn’t have a young recruiter who can relate to today’s players and their aspirations, he’d best start recruiting one. His job may depend on it.
Your last statement is nothing but conjecture. Except for the occasional outlier coaches if anything, are type A personalities and extremely confident in their own abilities. Pay them well and virtually any coach would take any job and yes, that is conjecture on my part but it is just as valid as yours!
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