PU vs UT
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It is just bad logic and rationalization of mediocrity. Great coaches and great players win. If you are in a bad or mediocre marriage, the PU folk think you should just stay instead of getting out and next year is going to be different.
Who’s giving up? I come here and read about IU’s high standards and how Paint would not meet them. How are the high standards working for IU? Pls respond with a March comment cause it’s all you have.
Just for the fun of it, here's the results of two other teams going back to 2007 and who they lost to
Team 1:
3 seed
2 seed
11 seed
3 seed
11 seed
1 seed
15 seed
7 seed
2 seed
4 seed
7 seed
5 seed
1 seed
1 seed
1 seed
1 seed
Average seed of loss of 4.7 while their average seed was 5.4
In 2006 this team lost to another 11 seed
Team 2:
3 seed
15 seed
5 seed
9 seed
1 seed
5 seed
1 seed
7 seed
2 seed
3 seed
2 seed
6 seed
1 seed
Average seed of loss of 4.6 while their average seed was 4.2
In the same time period, the average seed Purdue has lost to is 6.2 while their average seed was 4.8. Take away the last 3 years and the average seed of loss is 4 while their average seed was 6. So clearly, the last 3 years have flipped the script. Until then, Purdue actually played above their seed under Painter.
Mediocrity. Are you talking about Pu or IU? Only 1 of those teams has been mediocre for the past few years.
I'll "spin" whatever I want to. You certainly do. Yes 76 had some luck involved. There is always an element of luck. IU had a damn fine team but IU won some damn close games that year. In fact if IU hadn't had some "bad luck" the year before with Scott May breaking his arm, IU might have gone undefeated two years in a row. You think that IU's luck wasn't bad that they had a quick turnaround after their play in game to end up getting whacked by St. Mary's by 30? If that isn't the case, why was everyone over here whining about it when it happened? A ball bounces one way or a foul is called another changes the outcome. May breaks his arm, Hummel hurts his back, fate turns on a dime, the simple flip of a coin or the bounce of a ball. It is not all luck of course. Skill puts you into a position to benefit from luck. But luck can still make or break you and often does.
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Shitting the bed against mid-majors 20 years into a tenure? Say what you will about IU, but at least we try and hold coaches accountable: we haven't given up like PU.
Bad luck…Tom Coverdale destroys his ankle as IU gets to F4. Alan Henderson’s knee blows up. Ted Valentine gets his revenge on RMK for the leather whip (and other things). Scott May breaks his arm. There’s a couple more banners right there. Every teams has its share of sob stories.
The narrative (Purdue vs lower seeds) actually goes back well into they Keady heydays. This isn’t a recent phenomenon. The last few yrs have just forced it under a microscope.
CMP teams have spit the bit the past several yrs but he’s also dealing with a legacy handed down to him by his former boss/coach.
Basketball is a skilled sport: normally, the most skilled players and coaches win. I'm not going to walk into a Pacers' practice and get lucky and beat one of those guys in 1 on 1. It was no accident or luck that IU had like 7 NBA players on the 1975 era roster and Bob Knight as coach.
Painter is very much a product of Keady: the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.
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I guess MSU and Kentucky needed to fire their coaches since they both lost to 15 seeds in recent history. Duke should have fired coach K for losing to an 11, 14 and 15 seed. Etc. Good to great teams get upset. You're just being an ass because you hate Purdue.
Purdue has plenty of injuries to show for losses as well. Hummel twice, Big dog, Haas. I'm sure there are many more.
What have I spun? Everything I’ve presented is fact based and logic. No opinion. No speculation.
I didn’t whine one bit about the ST M quick turn game. Was bad scheduling, but deal with it. IU lost because they were marginally good but ST M was better. Excuses and blame are for losers.
What is the difference between Izzo/Calipari and Painter? Come on, now.
You still need to win something and consistently to be able to justifiably say that the injuries prevented winning big. There's a big difference between good and great.
Jimbo is embarrassed by IU’s usability to live up to his expectations. His only joy is picking on PU.
Calipari is a long time cheater, so I wouldn't put him in the mix. But with you, that's probably OK because he has won a natty. That's all that matters to you. Right?
He has been to Final Fours at 3 different schools. Perhaps he's dirty, it wouldn't surprise me. But, dismissing him totally because he's a "cheater" isn't logical.
Hummel’s knee for sure. Not because I root for PU. But I always liked RH as a player and a person. Reminded me of a modern day Ted Kitchel.
I would say Final Fours, National Championships, and way better recruiting.
I'd say that Purdue is the most unlucky team in NCAA. They've had the most regular season success without having it in the post season. Most of Purdue's best teams have had injuries that prevented them from getting there.
They got those F4's and Natty's because of higher recruits. That's why Painter is considered to be one of the greats. He has Purdue in a very good position with nothing but 3 and 4 star players. Edey was rated in the 400's FFS.
Well Purdue has 25 Big Ten Championships. Bobby thought those were important.
I don't totally dismiss Wooden. It is complicated. Would he have been as successful without the benefits? At the end of the day, he only hurt his own record/legacy because people can ask that question.
But you said someone had to win something. You keep moving the goalposts. Losers do that.
I don't think I've seen anybody on here that is "happy" with the StM game. If IU didn't want to run out of gas, don't put yourself in a position where you have to win to get in .
At the time what he did wasn't a violation even if it might have been unethical. Calipari is a known cheat. Can't believe an IU fan would defend him even in an attempt to make Purdue look bad. Which by the way failed.
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Bobby won 3 nattys. He didn't win one every year he was at IU. Do you think he considered every year they didn't win the natty a failure? Do you?
Well said. You’re spot on. Now, can we please get back to Courtsense’s obsession with crowd size? Reminds of someone. He’s fat, doesn’t know anything about basketball, lives in Florida…….I’ll think of it in a minute….
You spent a lot of time on this which is no surprise given your embittered obsession with all things IU.
Nice IU crowd in MSG, not classic, but as big as the next three combined.
One of your guys has claimed that Auburn will be the dominant crowd in ATL next month. But then he also guaranteed that Ahia would have 20K in MS this past game…it was nowhere close.
You’re still here?
Your entire Thanks Giving weekend spent here begging for respect.?
Fail
I don’t what will happen in Atlanta. All I know is that the sponsor of that MSG tournament was so embarrassed by the turnout that they didn’t announce ticket sales or attendance. That’s not something one sees every day.
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