Parent involvement

[IUCrazy2]

Lol. And sometimes all it takes is one good teacher to overcome bad parents and make an everlasting impact on a student ‘s life.

Sometimes. On a scale of that occurring 1% of the time or 100% of the time, how often do you think that occurs? Conversely, on a scale of 1% of the time and 100% of the time, how often do you think having a good situation at home leads to success?

This isn't even close Zeke. Yeah, teachers can leave an impression but they aren't the influence of parents. Sorry.

Youre being irrational and ridiculous, as your quote implies. i hate to tell you, but no matter how much you try to keep your kids from learning about the real world, it’s going to happen one of these days.

You are the one being irrational. You don't think I know how the world works? You don't think I am not teaching them about the real world? Get outta here with that nonsense. What I am saying is that w.r.t. the teachers I am paying them to do a job and as a parent I have a say (with the community) of setting the parameters of what that job is. So someone like you would be fine to come in and teach my child English or Math or whatever as long as you kept your politics to yourself. I never knew what my teacher's political leanings were. They checked it at the door. If students do, you aren't doing the job properly. That is the ask. "OH these horrible parents intruding on the classroom, woe is me...." Give me a break.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Reined in? Kind of seems like things are going the way I voted in the district I am in.

1. The incompetent superintendent stepped down (only one local person dug into that and from what I heard she needed that agreement to save her ass from the way she was treating teachers in the district.) That is the only thing that was "embarassing" (only because local media are morons and the school district is bound by the legal agreement not to let on why she was fired) and you can ask @Bulk VanderHuge about how awesome she was to begin with. She was a bad hire. Shit-canning her will be a net positive for the district.

2. They removed political sloganeering from the schools. Bye Trump flags, bye pride flags, bye BLM, etc. School isn't the place.

3. They dropped the micro-aggression policy and brought the student handbook more in line with near peers w.r.t. things like that and dress code.

You are probably thinking of the library where they allowed themselves to get outmaneuvered by an activist running the library who did the whole malicious compliance thing and moved The Fault in our Stars when books like Gender Queer and This Book is Gay were the ones intended to be moved to the more appropriate adult section (not banned). You know, the type of books where whenever I post the actual content for you guys suddenly disappear? The ones with drawings of people sucking each other off or the ones that tell teens they should go to Grindr for hook ups? The ones where you can't print the content of them in newspapers so whenever this conversation gets brought up you all can pretend like people are crazy. Those kind of books.

If you want to bring politics into the classroom you have to ensure there is a dispassionate discussion of both sides. I am not sending my kids to school to be programmed by people like you and Bloom to think like you and I would offer you all the same dispensation. We need to agree on what a teachers job is and pushing the social stuff beyond what is required for a civil society isn't that.

The student handbook? Does that include the new dress code that the board sprung on them a few weeks before school started ? The one that talks about slips for females? I haven’t seen a slip in a store in decades. I guess you enjoy making national news for your extremist board, but many of the teachers and parents I know in HSE sure don’t.
Notice you didn’t respond to your flag hyperbole. Is there an LGBTQ club at the high school or is that not allowed? It’s a shame that a flag to make kids feel accepted is now considered political. I’d agree that isn’t necessary at grade school level, but don’t see the problem in high school.
As for the library, those activist librarians are such a pain, aren’t they? Lol. Moving all the books out of the YA section was a ridiculous decision it wasn’t just the few books you mentioned, it was books with sex, violence, drugs. It was the PUBLIC library too, not the school library. If you don’t want your child to take out a book, don’t let them.
Like I said in another post, I think the board has far overstepped their boundaries and the next election will be very interesting, just as the board meetings have been. Seems a lot more people are paying attention now. We’ll see.

 

[Noodle]

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ROFL Pathetic acting in a very poorly staged video. No one really thinks this video is real, right?

 

[zeke4ahs]

Sometimes. On a scale of that occurring 1% of the time or 100% of the time, how often do you think that occurs? Conversely, on a scale of 1% of the time and 100% of the time, how often do you think having a good situation at home leads to success?

This isn't even close Zeke. Yeah, teachers can leave an impression but they aren't the influence of parents. Sorry.

You are the one being irrational. You don't think I know how the world works? You don't think I am not teaching them about the real world? Get outta here with that nonsense. What I am saying is that w.r.t. the teachers I am paying them to do a job and as a parent I have a say (with the community) of setting the parameters of what that job is. So someone like you would be fine to come in and teach my child English or Math or whatever as long as you kept your politics to yourself. I never knew what my teacher's political leanings were. They checked it at the door. If students do, you aren't doing the job properly. That is the ask. "OH these horrible parents intruding on the classroom, woe is me...." Give me a break.

I’d never say teachers have the influence of parents. Again, you are taking a few examples and acting like it’s the norm. I’m sure in high school and perhaps junior high there are classes where politics are discussed. In elementary, very seldom. You certainly have the right to KNOW what your child is learning, but you don’t have the right to dictate what everyone else’s child is learning. You also pay the fireman, police officers, and all public servants’ salary. You running in there to tell them how to do their job? Teachers go to school for six years to get an education about best practices In education. Let them do their jobs.
I have never seen a single post from you complimenting any of your sons’ teachers. Every single education post has been negative. Wonder why that is? I’d be willing to bet that the large majority of teachers your kids have had have been good experiences. Is that not true? Then why do you constantly post about the negative ones?

 

[zeke4ahs]

ROFL Pathetic acting in a very poorly staged video. No one really thinks this video is real, right?

Pretty sure the person who posted it did.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Sometimes. On a scale of that occurring 1% of the time or 100% of the time, how often do you think that occurs? Conversely, on a scale of 1% of the time and 100% of the time, how often do you think having a good situation at home leads to success?

This isn't even close Zeke. Yeah, teachers can leave an impression but they aren't the influence of parents. Sorry.

You are the one being irrational. You don't think I know how the world works? You don't think I am not teaching them about the real world? Get outta here with that nonsense. What I am saying is that w.r.t. the teachers I am paying them to do a job and as a parent I have a say (with the community) of setting the parameters of what that job is. So someone like you would be fine to come in and teach my child English or Math or whatever as long as you kept your politics to yourself. I never knew what my teacher's political leanings were. They checked it at the door. If students do, you aren't doing the job properly. That is the ask. "OH these horrible parents intruding on the classroom, woe is me...." Give me a break.

And for the record, I didn’t mean the remark about your kids as an insult. It just seems kind of silly to me all the hullabaloo over books when kids can get on their phone and see basically anything they want. And if I seem anti parent involvement, I am anything but. I had a wonderful relationship with nearly all of my parents and encouraged them to come into the classroom as often as they could. I had many who were great volunteers and had impactful relationships with the kids too, I’m still in touch with many of my parents and tons of my former students. The only time anyone knew of my politics was the year Obama was elected because I took off school to go to the inauguration. I brought back some souvenirs and we talked about it some. At that time, my school was nearly all African American and we mostly talked about the historical moment.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Pretty sure the person who posted it did.

And people who hang on every word of 2000 Mules

 

[Bloom.]

It is true. Your Grandparents stepped up and performed the "parent" role. You have to have someone supporting you at home or it doesn't matter what they do in school. Now you can go and find exceptions to my rule, they exist, but by and large a kid who is successful in a good school will be successful in a not as good school because of what is at home.

The teachers change every year. The parents don't. The home environment provided by parents (or someone acting in loco parentis) at home is THE most important factor. All that cool stuff at the school district you teach at and the cool stuff at my kids' schools is nice but that isn't why those schools are as great as they are. It is because the overwhelming majority of parents in the community push education and are involved.1

I took it to mean parents involved in education.

If you meant that, then definitely, no. Not even grandparents. Dad's parents were uneducated. Mom's parents lived too far away to help academically but close enough to help with rides to practices and such.

If you meant a good home, then yes. Agree.

 

[snarlcakes]

It takes money way from public schools.

The money follows the student. The same thing happens if a kid moves from Carmel to Zionsville.

 

[VanPastorMan]

First and foremost I am NOT the one on here acting like I know everything that is going on. People like to say it's just an isolated incident when they really have no idea whether it is or not. It may be an isolated incident but I sure wouldn't take the "experts" on here word for it being isolated.

Secondly, I am way past that stage... I have grandkids that I can spoil.

I have two grandsons living with me so I can't spoil them because then I have to live with the outcome. It stinks. But I do love having them around. My 3 yr old loves that Nadda Yadda Yadda commercial. He laughs a lot when it is on. I think it is a cell phone commercial.

 

[hoot1]

Uh you know this is staged, right?

Staged like a SNL skit these days.

By that, I mean neither funny or revelant to what is actually happening in most of America.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Staged like a SNL skit these days.

By that, I mean neither funny or revelant to what is actually happening in most of America.

Doesn’t it seem like there are only ever cameras/active recordings at the meetings where this shit happens?

 

[stollcpa]

Pretty sure the person who posted it did.

I am pretty sure you have no idea.

 

[UncleMark]

I am pretty sure you have no idea.

I'm pretty sure that's a non denial.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

ROFL Pathetic acting in a very poorly staged video. No one really thinks this video is real, right?

Stoll:

 

[zeke4ahs]

I am pretty sure you have no idea.

Lol. Sure thing. Why would you post a fake scene then if you knew it was? That’s even worse.

 

[stollcpa]

Lol. Sure thing. Why would you post a fake scene then if you knew it was? That’s even worse.

Staged or not it provokes discussion. There are certainly teachers displaying Pride flags that is upsetting to some parents.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Staged or not it provokes discussion. There are certainly teachers displaying Pride flags that is upsetting to some parents.

So now fake news doesn’t matter. Got it.

 

[Bloom.]

The money follows the student. The same thing happens if a kid moves from Carmel to Zionsville.

Sigh...

No. It's not the same.

If you move to Zionsville, then Zionsville is your public school of residence. If you live in Zionsville but send your kid to Brebeuf (private) or Options (charter), then your money leaves the community public schools.

Side note:
You can't live in Zionsville and go to Carmel. You can't live in Carmel and go to Zionsville. Not without lying about where you live.

 

[snarlcakes]

Sigh...

No. It's not the same.

If you move to Zionsville, then Zionsville is your public school of residence. If you live in Zionsville but send your kid to Brebeuf (private) or Options (charter), then your money leaves the community public schools.

Side note:
You can't live in Zionsville and go to Carmel. You can't live in Carmel and go to Zionsville. Not without lying about where you live.

You can live in Carmel and take your kids to Sheridan. Once again the money just follows the kid. Districts can deny out of district students, which happens in high demand schools. Not the case in districts with lower demand. So, your complaint doesn’t make much sense?

 

[zeke4ahs]

Staged or not it provokes discussion. There are certainly teachers displaying Pride flags that is upsetting to some parents.

And comforting for some students. And the other students could care less. Kids don’t care about rainbow flags.

 

[stollcpa]

Sigh...

No. It's not the same.

If you move to Zionsville, then Zionsville is your public school of residence. If you live in Zionsville but send your kid to Brebeuf (private) or Options (charter), then your money leaves the community public schools.

Side note:
You can't live in Zionsville and go to Carmel. You can't live in Carmel and go to Zionsville. Not without lying about where you live.

@bloom, do you identify as a moderate republican or moderate Democrat?

 

[UncleMark]

So now fake news doesn’t matter. Got it.

stoll just can't bring himself to admit he got duped.

 

[ZekkeTheClown]

And comforting for some students. And the other students could care less. Kids don’t care about rainbow flags.

I know an extremely bloody crucifix would have comforted me if it was at the front of every public school class room.

I’m talking really gorey type stuff that showed exactly the suffering Jesus had to endure for our sins.

Do you advocate for the bloody crucifix or just the symbolism that fits your ideological predilections?

 

[stollcpa]

So much for personal responsibility.

Do you have any personal responsibility in what you did?

 

[stollcpa]

I know an extremely bloody crucifix would have comforted me if it was at the front of every public school class room.

I’m talking really gorey type stuff that showed exactly the suffering Jesus had to endure for our sins.

Do you advocate for the bloody crucifix or just the symbolism that fits your ideological predilections?

The ban will come quickly.

 

[UncleMark]

Do you have any personal responsibility in what you did?

I own my actions regarding Cray.

 

[DANC]

Oh I do? Of course it exists. In very isolated incidents. The right takes one example and acts like it’s everywhere, teachers are groomers, pedophiles, preaching white guilt, etc.

Isolated? lmao They are happening all over the country and you think it's isolated?

You're either extremely ignorant of deliberately lying, and I think it's the latter.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

IMHO, charters can have benefits but they can also have problems...just like every other institution.

The idea of school competition and managing schools like a business sounds all well and good, but that competition needs to be managed carefully because the stakes are different. This isn't the same as some business making electric toothbrushes or kitchen utensils. There are good charter schools and shit charter schools just like there are good businesses and bad businesses and financial competition is an imperfect tool for spurring improvement, so we need to make sure we're judicious about how we plot changes.

I don’t know how charters work around the US, but I think Colorado has a very good model. They are public schools. They are subject to imposition of improvement plans, or even charter revocation for poor performance. The initial charter is reviewed and approved by local and state boards. They are generally very popular with parents and have waiting lists. The notion that charters encourage white separation is just nonsense.

 

[stollcpa]

I own my actions regarding Cray.

Good. Cray couldn’t have committed the egregious action he did without your help.

 

[Stuffshot]

You need to be paying attention when it comes to what's going on to attack public schools. Parent groups complaining there isn't transparency. There is. Parent groups complaining teachers are trying to sexualize their curriculum. Of course, when pressed, it's always some random, isolated example that has zero to do with Indiana, let alone the district they live in.

It's been orchestrated and paid for. Meanwhile, Heritage Foundation is trying to open charter schools in suburbs and struggling to do so. They need approval and families. In the meantime, the groups they're helping fund are trying to create upheaval.

I was at a school board meeting years ago when a couple complained that their child's elementary school was having a Halloween
party. They asked the school board to cancel it because they thought it was promoting witchcraft and the supernatural. They claimed Halloween violated their religion.

Someone in the audience loudly asked if they let their children watch Harry Potter movies. The complaining husband turned to the audience and said yes but he didn't see what that had to do with it. There then was much laughter from the audience.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Isolated? lmao They are happening all over the country and you think it's isolated?

You're either extremely ignorant of deliberately lying, and I think it's the latter.

How many teachers do you think there are in the country? I’ll tell you….over 4 million. You’ve read about a handful. Less than 100, I’d bet. Do you know what a minuscule percentage that is of over 4 million? Calm down.

 

[Bloom.]

You can live in Carmel and take your kids to Sheridan. Once again the money just follows the kid. Districts can deny out of district students, which happens in high demand schools. Not the case in districts with lower demand. So, your complaint doesn’t make much sense?

You can live in Carmel and take your kids to Sheridan. Yes.

You can't live in Sheridan and take your kids to Carmel, Zionsville, Noblesville, Fishers, HSE or Westfield.

My complaint makes total sense in that a charter school in the area would syphon off kids from public schools in the area. That's the topic. Moving from Carmel to Zionsville, your scenario, isn't part of the discussion. Try to keep up.

 

[Bloom.]

I was at a school board meeting years ago when a couple complained that their child's elementary school was having a Halloween
party. They asked the school board to cancel it because they thought it was promoting witchcraft and the supernatural. They claimed Halloween violated their religion.

Someone in the audience loudly asked if they let their children watch Harry Potter movies. The complaining husband turned to the audience and said yes but he didn't see what that had to do with it. There then was much laughter from the audience.

There is a TikTok video that went around last fall and has resurfaced with Halloween approaching. It's of a woman holding her young child, both in costume. She says, "We don't celebrate the Pagan holiday Halloween. We just dress up in costumes and have fun getting candy."

It's stitched with another video of someone saying, "Yeah, that's just Halloween."

 

[Bloom.]

@bloom, do you identify as a moderate republican or moderate Democrat?

Left leaning moderate.

I have zero party identity. I'd easily for vote Christie in the GOP primary, again, and would be interested in what he has to say in the general election. But he took a picture with Obama, so he's out.

 

[Bloom.]

Staged or not it provokes discussion. There are certainly teachers displaying Pride flags that is upsetting to some parents.

It's so stupid

Marginalized, cis gendered whites taking back the rainbow!!!!

God, country, rainbows

 

[Bloom.]

Isolated? lmao They are happening all over the country and you think it's isolated?

You're either extremely ignorant of deliberately lying, and I think it's the latter.

All over? One per state. I guess that's all over, but even if it was one per school, even the smallest schools would bring it in at under .4%

COVID killed at higher rate. So wear your anti-woke mask and STFU.

 

[snarlcakes]

You can live in Carmel and take your kids to Sheridan. Yes.

You can't live in Sheridan and take your kids to Carmel, Zionsville, Noblesville, Fishers, HSE or Westfield.

My complaint makes total sense in that a charter school in the area would syphon off kids from public schools in the area. That's the topic. Moving from Carmel to Zionsville, your scenario, isn't part of the discussion. Try to keep up.

I pointed out your reasoning wasn’t consistent because it’s already happening with public schools. You just admitted I was right. Thanks.

Also, you’re wrong about living in Sheridan and taking your kids to Noblesville, Zionsville, Westfield, Fisher, and Carmel. If you work in one of those school systems you can take your kids to the district.

 

[Bloom.]

I pointed out your reasoning wasn’t consistent because it’s already happening with public schools. You just admitted I was right. Thanks.

No, it's not. Taking money from one public school to another isn't taking money from public school. It's just moving it to another public school.

That doesn't involve voucher options. That's just where you live.

Also, you’re wrong about living in Sheridan and taking your kids to Noblesville, Zionsville, Westfield, Fisher, and Carmel. If you work in one of those school systems you can take your kids to the district.

OK...the few times that pops up. I'll give you an atta boy.

This was discussed a couple of weeks ago. Noblesville, Zionsville, Westfield Fishers, HSE schools and Carmel are closed enrollment. Sheridan is open enrollment.

 

[snarlcakes]

No, it's not. Taking money from one public school to another isn't taking money from public school. It's just moving it to another public school.

That doesn't involve voucher options. That's just where you live.

OK...the few times that pops up. I'll give you an atta boy.

This was discussed a couple of weeks ago. Noblesville, Zionsville, Westfield Fishers, HSE schools and Carmel are closed enrollment. Sheridan is open enrollment.

I’ve worked in education for a long time. I understand the process. I assumed your issue was public schools being stressed, from lack of funding, as parents send their kids choose other schools. That’s not the issue because you’re ok with it as long as it’s other public schools.