Parents convicted in school shooting

[Baller23Boogie]

James Crumbley: Father of Michigan school gunman convicted of manslaughter

For the first time parents are convicted of manslaughter over their child's role in a shooting in the US.

www.bbc.com

This is a good first step, IMO.

If a parent knows their kid is mental decline and doesn't do the necessary steps to keep them and everyone around them safe, then in my opinion, they should be charged and held accountable.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

James Crumbley: Father of Michigan school gunman convicted of manslaughter

For the first time parents are convicted of manslaughter over their child's role in a shooting in the US.

www.bbc.com

This is a good first step, IMO.

If a parent knows their kid is mental decline and doesn't do the necessary steps to keep them and everyone around them safe, then in my opinion, they should be charged and held accountable.

I agree.

What is the second step in your view?

 

[hoot1]

James Crumbley: Father of Michigan school gunman convicted of manslaughter

For the first time parents are convicted of manslaughter over their child's role in a shooting in the US.

www.bbc.com

This is a good first step, IMO.

If a parent knows their kid is mental decline and doesn't do the necessary steps to keep them and everyone around them safe, then in my opinion, they should be charged and held accountable.

IMO mankind has a great deal to learn on the subject of mental health. Studies on how our brain functions, for example, is in its early stages.

To date it is theorized some mental illnesses are inherited and shared by members of some families. So who to say the mother in this case isn't a victim of inherited mental health problems.

Also there is the difficulty of finding competent mental health practioners in a field which is controversial and non existent in many communities.

IMO a hundred years from now the science of mental health which exists today will be viewed as having been in the dark ages. Also the laws on how we treat mental illness will change as we learn more about causes and cures.

The case in this thread someday very well might be an example of how little we knew about mental health.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

IMO mankind has a great deal to learn on the subject of mental health. Studies on how our brain functions, for example, is in its early stages.

To date it is theorized some mental illnesses are inherited and shared by members of some families. So who to say the mother in this case isn't a victim of inherited mental health problems.

Also there is the difficulty of finding competent mental health practioners in a field which is controversial and non existent in many communities.

IMO a hundred years from now the science of mental health which exists today will be viewed as having been in the dark ages. Also the laws on how we treat mental illness will change as we learn more about causes and cures.

The case in this thread someday very well might be an example of how little we knew about mental health.

It will get worse.

From Wiki

According to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, there is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of schizophrenia or other chronic psychoses, with the highest risk potentially among the most frequent users.[2] A possible connection between psychosis and cannabis is controversial because observational studies suggest a correlation but do not establish any causative effect of cannabis on long-term psychiatric health.[26] Medical evidence strongly suggests that the long-term use of cannabis by people who begin use at an early age display a higher tendency towards mental health problems and other physical and development disorders, although a causal link could not be proven by the available data.[27] The risks appear to be most acute in adolescent users.[27] In one 2013 review, the authors concluded long-term cannabis use "increases the risk of psychosis in people with certain genetic or environmental vulnerabilities", but does not cause psychosis. Important predisposing factors were genetic liability, childhood trauma and urban upbringing.[26] Another review that same year concluded that cannabis use may cause permanent psychological disorders in some users such as cognitive impairment, anxiety, paranoia, and increased risks of psychosis. Key predisposing variables included age of first exposure, frequency of use, the potency of the cannabis used, and individual susceptibility.[28] Nevertheless, some researchers maintain there exists "a strong association between schizophrenia and cannabis use...", while cannabis use alone does not predict the transition to subsequent psychiatric illness. Many factors are involved, including genetics, environment, time period of initiation and duration of cannabis use, underlying psychiatric pathology that preceded drug use, and combined use of other psychoactive drugs.[29]​

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And now we are on a trend towards legalizing hallucinogenics.

 

[larsIU]

It will get worse.

From Wiki

According to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, there is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of schizophrenia or other chronic psychoses, with the highest risk potentially among the most frequent users.[2] A possible connection between psychosis and cannabis is controversial because observational studies suggest a correlation but do not establish any causative effect of cannabis on long-term psychiatric health.[26] Medical evidence strongly suggests that the long-term use of cannabis by people who begin use at an early age display a higher tendency towards mental health problems and other physical and development disorders, although a causal link could not be proven by the available data.[27] The risks appear to be most acute in adolescent users.[27] In one 2013 review, the authors concluded long-term cannabis use "increases the risk of psychosis in people with certain genetic or environmental vulnerabilities", but does not cause psychosis. Important predisposing factors were genetic liability, childhood trauma and urban upbringing.[26] Another review that same year concluded that cannabis use may cause permanent psychological disorders in some users such as cognitive impairment, anxiety, paranoia, and increased risks of psychosis. Key predisposing variables included age of first exposure, frequency of use, the potency of the cannabis used, and individual susceptibility.[28] Nevertheless, some researchers maintain there exists "a strong association between schizophrenia and cannabis use...", while cannabis use alone does not predict the transition to subsequent psychiatric illness. Many factors are involved, including genetics, environment, time period of initiation and duration of cannabis use, underlying psychiatric pathology that preceded drug use, and combined use of other psychoactive drugs.[29]​

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And now we are on a trend towards legalizing hallucinogenics.

 

[hoot1]

It will get worse.

From Wiki

According to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, there is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of schizophrenia or other chronic psychoses, with the highest risk potentially among the most frequent users.[2] A possible connection between psychosis and cannabis is controversial because observational studies suggest a correlation but do not establish any causative effect of cannabis on long-term psychiatric health.[26] Medical evidence strongly suggests that the long-term use of cannabis by people who begin use at an early age display a higher tendency towards mental health problems and other physical and development disorders, although a causal link could not be proven by the available data.[27] The risks appear to be most acute in adolescent users.[27] In one 2013 review, the authors concluded long-term cannabis use "increases the risk of psychosis in people with certain genetic or environmental vulnerabilities", but does not cause psychosis. Important predisposing factors were genetic liability, childhood trauma and urban upbringing.[26] Another review that same year concluded that cannabis use may cause permanent psychological disorders in some users such as cognitive impairment, anxiety, paranoia, and increased risks of psychosis. Key predisposing variables included age of first exposure, frequency of use, the potency of the cannabis used, and individual susceptibility.[28] Nevertheless, some researchers maintain there exists "a strong association between schizophrenia and cannabis use...", while cannabis use alone does not predict the transition to subsequent psychiatric illness. Many factors are involved, including genetics, environment, time period of initiation and duration of cannabis use, underlying psychiatric pathology that preceded drug use, and combined use of other psychoactive drugs.[29]​

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And now we are on a trend towards legalizing hallucinogenics.

CoH, what will we do if it is discovered alcoholics and users of cannabis along with other harmful substances can predispose their bad habits to their offspring ?

In other words, the kids are born predisposed to acquiring bad habits.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

It will get worse.

From Wiki

According to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, there is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of schizophrenia or other chronic psychoses, with the highest risk potentially among the most frequent users.[2] A possible connection between psychosis and cannabis is controversial because observational studies suggest a correlation but do not establish any causative effect of cannabis on long-term psychiatric health.[26] Medical evidence strongly suggests that the long-term use of cannabis by people who begin use at an early age display a higher tendency towards mental health problems and other physical and development disorders, although a causal link could not be proven by the available data.[27] The risks appear to be most acute in adolescent users.[27] In one 2013 review, the authors concluded long-term cannabis use "increases the risk of psychosis in people with certain genetic or environmental vulnerabilities", but does not cause psychosis. Important predisposing factors were genetic liability, childhood trauma and urban upbringing.[26] Another review that same year concluded that cannabis use may cause permanent psychological disorders in some users such as cognitive impairment, anxiety, paranoia, and increased risks of psychosis. Key predisposing variables included age of first exposure, frequency of use, the potency of the cannabis used, and individual susceptibility.[28] Nevertheless, some researchers maintain there exists "a strong association between schizophrenia and cannabis use...", while cannabis use alone does not predict the transition to subsequent psychiatric illness. Many factors are involved, including genetics, environment, time period of initiation and duration of cannabis use, underlying psychiatric pathology that preceded drug use, and combined use of other psychoactive drugs.[29]​

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And now we are on a trend towards legalizing hallucinogenics.

Cannabis isn't a top mental health issue. Screens are much more detrimental.

 

[hoot1]

Cannabis isn't a top mental health issue. Screens are much more detrimental.

JDB, are you saying that testing people (screening) for drug use is more detrimental than using the drugs ?

Think about what the potential detrimental costs of screening people for all kinds of potential physical and mental health issues could be.

Starting with an employer concerned about the cost of providing health care insurance, or a potential parent screening a baby to adopt.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

JDB, are you saying that testing people (screening) for drug use is more detrimental than using the drugs ?

Think about what the potential detrimental costs of screening people for all kinds of potential physical and mental health issues could be.

Starting with an employer concerned about the cost of providing health care insurance, or a potential parent screening a baby to adopt.

No hoot, I'm saying electronics screens.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Cannabis isn't a top mental health issue. Screens are much more detrimental.

Hm. I don’t follow. Screens don’t get into your blood, brain, or other organs.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

CoH, what will we do if it is discovered alcoholics and users of cannabis along with other harmful substances can predispose their bad habits to their offspring ?

In other words, the kids are born predisposed to acquiring bad habits.

That is a huge problem. We are in a multi-generational situation of drug and alcohol abuse. In addition to conditions like fetal alcohol syndrome, we have the problem of social contagion that is not genetic but cultural. Many youngsters live in conditions of cultural rot. A friend who spent a career in juvenile justice often speaks in terms of “feral kids”. These are kids with addicted parents. I think that is an apt description.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

What’s he on?

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

JDB, are you saying that testing people (screening) for drug use is more detrimental than using the drugs ?

Think about what the potential detrimental costs of screening people for all kinds of potential physical and mental health issues could be.

Starting with an employer concerned about the cost of providing health care insurance, or a potential parent screening a baby to adopt.

I had a simple screening process for mental illness with every one of my wives. Simple short and to the point..

Q - are you female
A - yes

Yep, it's gonna be mental .

It proved to be 100% accurate too.

 

[larsIU]

What’s he on?

Nothing....you know he don't smoke weed.

And he didn't steal those boxes either.

Spoiler: Almost 30 years old now

Friday (1995) ⭐ 7.2 | Comedy, Drama

1h 31m | R

www.imdb.com

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Nothing....you know he don't smoke weed.

And he didn't steal those boxes either.

Spoiler: Almost 30 years old now

Friday (1995) ⭐ 7.2 | Comedy, Drama

1h 31m | R

www.imdb.com

He did get fired on his day off though.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

It will get worse.

From Wiki

According to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, there is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of schizophrenia or other chronic psychoses, with the highest risk potentially among the most frequent users.[2] A possible connection between psychosis and cannabis is controversial because observational studies suggest a correlation but do not establish any causative effect of cannabis on long-term psychiatric health.[26] Medical evidence strongly suggests that the long-term use of cannabis by people who begin use at an early age display a higher tendency towards mental health problems and other physical and development disorders, although a causal link could not be proven by the available data.[27] The risks appear to be most acute in adolescent users.[27] In one 2013 review, the authors concluded long-term cannabis use "increases the risk of psychosis in people with certain genetic or environmental vulnerabilities", but does not cause psychosis. Important predisposing factors were genetic liability, childhood trauma and urban upbringing.[26] Another review that same year concluded that cannabis use may cause permanent psychological disorders in some users such as cognitive impairment, anxiety, paranoia, and increased risks of psychosis. Key predisposing variables included age of first exposure, frequency of use, the potency of the cannabis used, and individual susceptibility.[28] Nevertheless, some researchers maintain there exists "a strong association between schizophrenia and cannabis use...", while cannabis use alone does not predict the transition to subsequent psychiatric illness. Many factors are involved, including genetics, environment, time period of initiation and duration of cannabis use, underlying psychiatric pathology that preceded drug use, and combined use of other psychoactive drugs.[29]​

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And now we are on a trend towards legalizing hallucinogenics.

Seriously? Wiki? This doesn’t even use a study. This an observation or opinion. This could also conclude that mentally ill people gravitate or self medicate. That’s an opinion too.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

I had a simple screening process for mental illness with every one of my wives. Simple short and to the point..

Q - are you female
A - yes

Yep, it's gonna be mental .

It proved to be 100% accurate too.

What did it say about you? Bad picker?

 

[larsIU]

What did it say about you? Bad picker?

My wife tells me I was chosen.

By her.

So, everything really is out of my control. sonofabitch

 

[Victorbmyboy]

My wife tells me I was chosen.

By her.

So, everything really is out of my control. sonofabitch

So it’s like when a “dog” chooses you? 🤣

 

[larsIU]

So it’s like when a “dog” chooses you? 🤣

Dog probably likes me better.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

So it’s like when a “dog” chooses you? 🤣

WELL, that usually involves sniffing buttholes within the first 10 seconds of the first date, per dog rules.
I've found that creates an awkward first impression, almost every time.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Hm. I don’t follow. Screens don’t get into your blood, brain, or other organs.

You should read fathers’ posts on here.

Associations between screen time and lower psychological well-being among children and adolescents: Evidence from a population-based study

Previous research on associations between screen time and psychological well-being among children and adolescents has been conflicting, leading some researchers to question the limits on screen time suggested by physician organizations. We examined a ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

How screen time really affects your health

Tuned into a screen most of the time? Ohio State experts describe some surprising ways screens could be affecting your health.

health.osu.edu

Study Probes Connection Between Excessive Screen Media Activity and Mental Health Problems in Youth

Smartphones, tablets, gaming systems, and other screen devices have become a major temptation for people of all ages, but a new study is focusing on the

medicine.yale.edu

I had a simple screening process for mental illness with every one of my wives. Simple short and to the point..

Q - are you female
A - yes

Yep, it's gonna be mental .

It proved to be 100% accurate too.

Somehow I think @zeke4ahs is going to keep the streak going!