I get what you’re saying but this is a constitutional right. We are likely looking at the right to carry a weapon without licensure. How do you square these things with that line of thinking?
I wouldn't squash their right to vote. They would all still have the right, but I would have a barrier to participation that at least would flesh out the lazy. Like if you have a day off work, a polling place within 5 minutes of your house, with minimal lines and you still can't find a way to vote; then I don't want you voting.
Edit to add: The simplest way would be a voting app (throwing out the obvious security issues). If literally having a pop up that says "Who do you vote for" is the only way to get heavy participation, then I don't think we necessarily need to make it that easy. There have been real barriers to voting throughout our history, I am ok with a passive barrier that says, "hey, we would love to have you vote but you have to be engaged in the process enough to at least show up."
Thanks. Read that backward. Expanded mail-in voting and less social media and cable news will help.
Expanded mail-in voting will only make things worse.
Expanded mail in voting will not help. Historically about 20% of mail in votes are thrown out through challenges. Any instance that could lead to one person walking up to a drop box with a pile of ballots, whether they are valid or not, and submitting them is going to leave questions of validity.
I don't think the right is ever going to trust mail in ballots because there is a belief in the "community organizers" going around and harvesting ballots and the idea that is not always on the up and up. One person. One vote. No accumulators. No worrying about when a vote is postmarked by (a major complaint in the last election). None of that. Provide the places to vote and people have to show up to place their vote unless they have a severe physical disability that would preclude them from doing so, or they are overseas.
Maybe we revisit the mail in voting at some point down the road when trust is reestablished. We are not there right now.
Some barriers are necessary to gain the confidence. I’m on record as supporting ID requirements. What we need are uniform and consistent barriers. Texas previously allowed a gun permit as sufficient identification but explicitly disallowed student IDs. That’s targeted and wrong. Florida moved voting locations away from universities. We can’t have that.
Lol.
So know I'm ignorant because I don't follow the rule that cash shouldn't be put in the mail because you've been told so.
Aren't you the good little sheep (did i do that right)?
Do you often refer to people that follow manufacturers recommended maintenance schedules, instructions, etc sheep?
Did you say the same when Ivermectin came out with their statement or do you pick and choice when you want to be a hypocrite with?
Or an interpretation of the Constitution relative to a new piece of legislation related to federal elections. That's the more likely outcome.
I think we all pick and choose what we are hypocritical about…and we are hypocrites if we deny that.
Ah...that's my bad. I thought your comment that mail-in balloting couldn't possibly be secure was advocacy against mail-in balloting.
I can buy that current opposition isn't solely due to the Trump misinformation campaign. I think the Trump team (not the GOP team) capitalized on concerns that grew out of what was a unique and challenging situation. But, rather than abandon sensible tools for making voting participation as high as possible, I think we'd be better off mitigating the legitimate concerns and addressing what is illegitimately inflaming them.
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According to the Q, stealing mailed birthday cash from Nanas all over the world is financing the underground trafficing of babys to baby eating Democrats in NY, CA and DC $5 at a time.
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I don't. It's all good until you're the one that the system decides is too dumb to vote. Didn't peg you as a "rule by the elites" kind of guy, but I think we'd be MUCH better off with substantially higher voter participation. It's not like there aren't already LOTS of uninformed people voting. In fact, I'd wager that they are the great majority.
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I don’t have to be a “rule by the elites” kind of guy to have some sympathy for that position. I suspect you do, too: do you believe 5 year olds should vote? If not, why not?
your solution sounds like having more uninformed voters= a better result. Do you believe that?
I’m a democracy defender. But I don’t bury my head in the sand as to its weaknesses. And it has A LOT.
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There is no trust without transparency. That goes for the 2020 election, 01/06, Epstein, etc. I don't know why that's hard for some to comprehend.
“The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.” - JFK
“The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.” - JFK
We need less immunity for social media websites that knowingly profit from orchestrating deception.
Do you always answer a question with a question when you know you can’t be truthful with an answer?
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Third party publisher immunity is interesting. I'm not sure how you lift immunity
What is hard to comprehend is why so many people say they believe every single isolated unproven report of an irregularity is absolute proof of some sort of massive election fraud that cheated Trump of reelection.
Election irregularities have happened and will always happen so long as we use a mostly-volunteer minimum wage system for election workers instead of the airport/TSA model seeking to achieve zero breaches.
Election fraud simply does not happen in large numbers, ever -- that's because it's just not as profitable as identity theft ! Who do you know that would stand in line for an hour or two (with no food or water in the oppressive states) just to vote once for yet another politician they never heard of and not get paid anything for their time? It just doesn't happen on a large scale, either during in-person voting or mail-in voting.
Far too little vote fraud to tip election to Trump, AP finds
ATLANTA (AP) — An Associated Press review of every potential case of voter fraud in the six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump has found fewer than 475 — a number that would have made no difference in the 2020 presidential election.
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Your mantra of "transparency" is not persuasive. Everybody saw "transparently" what happened on Jan. 6 (no one was deprived the images), and yet the conservatives deny it ever happened.
On the other hand, just exactly what kind of "transparency" can you yourself provide about Epstein? I doubt you really have secret video showing Epstein hanging himself in a jail cell or of Epstein (or whoever) screwing those young girls.
But those "people" you sort-of described haven't any understanding of how many irregularities normally happen anyway even in a fair election. The 2020 election did not have an unusual number of irregularities.
Trump and his minions viciously attacked many salt-of-the-earth apple pie Republican election workers just because Trump lost !! No other reason. He just pointed to every single instance as evidence of massive election fraud with, of course, no proof at all that anything beyond a minuscule number of irregularities happened.
I hope you didn't fall for this.
Please re-read. Your answer can’t be dishonest if you don’t answer the question…
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My neighbor has 26 grandkids. They send cash. Every year there are grandkids that don't get their cash.
Yeah, and guess who won Florida!
You've never voted in person in Florida if you think it's less secure. Walking into the polling place there is like walking into a prison - police officers at the entrance and exit. Multiple ID checks. It's nothing like you describe.
You should know by now that pointing out any failings of the 2020 election is an attack on Biden and pro-Trump, according to leftists.
"Election fraud simply does not happen in large numbers, ever"What is hard to comprehend is why so many people say they believe every single isolated unproven report of an irregularity is absolute proof of some sort of massive election fraud that cheated Trump of reelection.
Election irregularities have happened and will always happen so long as we use a mostly-volunteer minimum wage system for election workers instead of the airport/TSA model seeking to achieve zero breaches.
Election fraud simply does not happen in large numbers, ever -- that's because it's just not as profitable as identity theft ! Who do you know that would stand in line for an hour or two (with no food or water in the oppressive states) just to vote once for yet another politician they never heard of and not get paid anything for their time? It just doesn't happen on a large scale, either during in-person voting or mail-in voting.
Far too little vote fraud to tip election to Trump, AP finds
ATLANTA (AP) — An Associated Press review of every potential case of voter fraud in the six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump has found fewer than 475 — a number that would have made no difference in the 2020 presidential election.
Your mantra of "transparency" is not persuasive. Everybody saw "transparently" what happened on Jan. 6 (no one was deprived the images), and yet the conservatives deny it ever happened.
On the other hand, just exactly what kind of "transparency" can you yourself provide about Epstein? I doubt you really have secret video showing Epstein hanging himself in a jail cell or of Epstein (or whoever) screwing those young girls.
Oh, really?
How ‘Landslide Lyndon’ stole the Senate race in 1948
Special to WorldTribune.com By Bill Federer, November 14, 2018 In 1941, Lyndon Baines Johnson ran for U.S. Senate. Franklin D. Roosevelt made a speech on the eve of the election criticizing LBJ’s o…
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You fell for:
"It’s new, it’s scary, and it doesn’t feel right to people who are used to standing in line and showing an ID to a nice elderly volunteer at a desk at the polling place."
"It was thrust onto people amidst the most lop-sided media-covered election that I can remember."
You also fell for the claim that "The crumbling of the Russia investigation, the clear failure to cover anything that could hurt Biden, etc created a storm around the election."
You also fell for the claim that "a bunch of states just deciding to extend and augment mail-in without proper change management aided in the aftermath."
The bottom line is that what conservatives/ Trump supporters still harp on incessantly as "election fraud" is, in fact, tiny and minuscule. The only reason you're talking about it now is that you think your false claims of "election fraud" bolsters a claim that Trump was "cheated." Nobody (including you) is claiming that "election fraud" cheated some unknown candidate for state representative from some little crossroads Georgia district from getting elected to a minor office, even though those offices were physically printed on the same ballot as Trump.
Your claims are about Trump and Trump alone, and you fell for it all. There can be no other reason for your post,
LOL. You went back to disputed evidence from 85-95 years ago to prove what, that your original premise was faulty?"Election fraud simply does not happen in large numbers, ever"
Oh, really?
How ‘Landslide Lyndon’ stole the Senate race in 1948
Special to WorldTribune.com By Bill Federer, November 14, 2018 In 1941, Lyndon Baines Johnson ran for U.S. Senate. Franklin D. Roosevelt made a speech on the eve of the election criticizing LBJ’s o…
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Christ. Learn to read. I’m done with you.You fell for:
"It’s new, it’s scary, and it doesn’t feel right to people who are used to standing in line and showing an ID to a nice elderly volunteer at a desk at the polling place."
"It was thrust onto people amidst the most lop-sided media-covered election that I can remember."
You also fell for the claim that "The crumbling of the Russia investigation, the clear failure to cover anything that could hurt Biden, etc created a storm around the election."
You also fell for the claim that "a bunch of states just deciding to extend and augment mail-in without proper change management aided in the aftermath."
The bottom line is that what conservatives/ Trump supporters still harp on incessantly as "election fraud" is, in fact, tiny and minuscule. The only reason you're talking about it now is that you think your false claims of "election fraud" bolsters a claim that Trump was "cheated." Nobody (including you) is claiming that "election fraud" cheated some unknown candidate for state representative from some little crossroads Georgia district from getting elected to a minor office, even though those offices were physically printed on the same ballot as Trump.
Your claims are about Trump and Trump alone, and you fell for it all. There can be no other reason for your post,
You don’t. People need to be smarter. Although I do wonder if places like Facebook could get caught up somehow because they are essentially using their publishing to lure in consumers for advertising purposes. Maybe some kind of truth in advertising legislation. I don’t know.
Huh? In your post 45 you rattled off several things that are not only unproven but dubious in the first place. I replied that you fell for these unproven assertions, and you responded as you did,
I can read very well and, in fact, I read your post better and more literally than you did when you wrote it. Go whine somewhere else. You won't get a free pass here.
That's funny, If they made it into a movie it would be titled, " Dead Man Voting."
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