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Only 20% of the public says it's very confident in the country's elections

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They might, but with 50% not voting in general elections it is hard to know.

AOC's 2018 primary had about 30,000 votes cast. 696,000 live in that district.

GA14 has over 700,000 in it. MTG won 44000 in the first primary, 44,000 in the run-off, 229,000 in the general. There are a whole lot of people that never gave their opinion, especially in the primary.
Good point, and just another example of why I'm concerned that someone is going to pass a law disqualifying voters who are not smart enough. I'd be left with nothing to do and nowhere to go on the first Tuesday in November.
 
There is nothing wrong with that as long as the person ask for a ballot (don't just mail them out to registered voters) and the signature can be verified. I'm not sure how a signature is verified. I don't think the average person can always verify a signature but I assume that it's just the average Joe checking the signature on the ballot against a previous signature.

In the last election I personally know two people that got two ballots... not sure how that happened and I personally wouldn't know how to take advantage of it but if there's a way you can bet some people will.

And the date the ballot is due should be enforced strictly based on postmark.
My mom got a ballot for herself and my deceased father.
 
Where did McM say we had to make that decision? All he said was we know we have a raft of uninformed voters and getting more to vote ( there’s an assumption here that most who don’t vote are actually more uninformed than those that do) doesn’t help elect better candidates or policies.
Neither I nor McM said "we" had to make that decision. But somebody does.

Regarding whether that actually results in the best candidates or policies, I think you’re wrong. For example, judges in states that appoint vs elect are better, on average, by a WIDE margin in my experience. And in a business setting, allowing a firm to operate via vote by every employee on policy decisions would be much worse than allowing the executives to make the decisions. Same goes for military decisions. Same goes for sports teams.
Sounds like you're with McM on "The King knows best". If autocratic rule produces the best results, why have votes at all? I think we all know that it's because it doesn't produce them. It just produces results where you think they are "better" if they work out the way you want.
 
Neither I nor McM said "we" had to make that decision. But somebody does.


Sounds like you're with McM on "The King knows best". If autocratic rule produces the best results, why have votes at all? I think we all know that it's because it doesn't produce them. It just produces results where you think they are "better" if they work out the way you want.
You're engaging in more black-and-white thinking here. One can think that anything less than 100% voting participation for an entire populace results in better decision-making than 100% participation, while also not being in favor of autocratic rule. Put another way, the choice does not have to be between 1 person making every decision or 300,000,000 million. There are a lot of governing options available (see the Dawn of Everything for examples of just how varied these options have been throughout human history) and saying that if someone isn't for 100% voter participation in selecting representatives in a representative democracy then they have to be for autocratic rule is just not accurate.
 
You're engaging in more black-and-white thinking here. One can think that anything less than 100% voting participation for an entire populace results in better decision-making than 100% participation, while also not being in favor of autocratic rule. Put another way, the choice does not have to be between 1 person making every decision or 300,000,000 million. There are a lot of governing options available (see the Dawn of Everything for examples of just how varied these options have been throughout human history) and saying that if someone isn't for 100% voter participation in selecting representatives in a representative democracy then they have to be for autocratic rule is just not accurate.
The more I consider it, the more it seems the current system rewards the polar opposites. If we attract more, they are probably the mushy middle which I suspect would be good.
 
The more I consider it, the more it seems the current system rewards the polar opposites. If we attract more, they are probably the mushy middle which I suspect would be good.
Would need data to know. I could see it just being more extremes galvanized
 
well, most recently for arguing that mail-in voting destroyed confidence in the vote.

No, LYING about non-existent irregularities in mail-in voting, totally ignoring the fact that mail-in voting was established practice in so many states for so long, and of course THE BIG LIE destroyed confidence in the vote.
For me, it's basic common sense to state you must show proof of ID to vote. An ID is required for so many basic and fundamental things. Hell, we had to show ID to go to the UNC cancer center for my wife to get treatment. It's a basic and fundamental authentication process. For it to not be required to vote breaths fresh air into elections being fraudulent. In my opinion, this one single item should be mandatory for every election in every state.

I am not familiar enough nor have the time to research all the claims for election fraud. However, regardless of republican or democrat or no party affiliation, let's just say as an American, some things that have been going on in recent elections do not pass the sniff test. Frankly, we would be naive to think it's a new issue. One thing I'd like to think we could all align on is voting integrity. When I went to vote in this past election, I was blown away when they would not require my id to cast my vote. We have lived in, registered to vote and subsequently voted in 5 different states. NC is the first one where an ID wasn't required. It's mind boggling. We also received mail in ballots addressed to us in our mail box and never requested it. We also have had voter registration sent to our home for people who don't live here and never have. We built this house. No one else has ever lived at our address.
 
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I’m pretty sure people still work on national holidays so we should expand that mail-in voting idea. Works great in Colorado and there’s even an online tracking system to check your voting status/registration.

Sound good? Good.
Early voting last weeks. The vast majority of the voting population, ie high 90 percentile, have ways and means to get to a polling location. For the others, there are established processes.
 
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I've been through the process in Indiana. You have to request one every time.
I don’t know how my mom would have unless the assisted living center did it. I know they organize and helped seniors vote living there. Just remember my mom showing me two envelopes and saying she got one for dad.
 
I don’t know how my mom would have unless the assisted living center did it. I know they organize and helped seniors vote living there. Just remember my mom showing me two envelopes and saying she got one for dad.
Well, under @BradStevens proposed criteria, people in assisted-living probably won't be able to vote at all, so there's that. Of course, my parents who are 90 probably wouldn't either, but that's not much of an issue since they cancel each other out.

(Note for any oversensitive types...before you fall to your fainting couches, this is a joke. You know, the kind that comedians used to be able to tell before they got all canceled, like Farva claims.)
 
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For me, it's basic common sense to state you must show proof of ID to vote. An ID is required for so many basic and fundamental things. Hell, we had to show ID to go to the UNC cancer center for my wife to get treatment. It's a basic and fundamental authentication process. For it to not be required to vote breaths fresh air into elections being fraudulent. In my opinion, this one single item should be mandatory for every election in every state.

I am not familiar enough nor have the time to research all the claims for election fraud. However, regardless of republican or democrat or no party affiliation, let's just say as an American, some things that have been going on in recent elections do not pass the sniff test. Frankly, we would be naive to think it's a new issue. One thing I'd like to think we could all align on is voting integrity. When I went to vote in this past election, I was blown away when they would not require my id to cast my vote. We have lived in, registered to vote and subsequently voted in 5 different states. NC is the first one where an ID wasn't required. It's mind boggling. We also received mail in ballots addressed to us in our mail box and never requested it. We also have had voter registration sent to our home for people who don't live here and never have. We built this house. No one else has ever lived at our address.
You live in NC? Where? We moved to Charlotte a couple years ago.
 
Is Clay Aiken in your district? You voting for him?
Well, actually, I'm not registered to vote in NC. I'm registered in Florida.

I'm in Mecklenberg County. I'm not really up on NC politics, but the governor is like Biden, in that he seems like a moderate, but is heavily influenced by leftists.
 
Don't you love our Governor?
He's doing a good job in terms of balancing his constituents. It's a high wire act. Truthfully, I do not follow it much. But it's laughable to hear his name mentioned as a presidential candidate. But then again, look who's in office right now!
 
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He's doing a good job in terms of balancing his constituents. It's a high wire act. Truthfully, I do not follow it much. But it's laughable to hear his name mentioned as a presidential candidate. But then again, look who's in office right now!
I think he's a milquetoast, but I don't vote in NC, so.....
 
Voting should be easy and secure. We need a comprehensive analysis of the process and bipartisan recommendations on how we achieve those objectives. Measures that intentionally make voting harder should be criticized as such. And Ds have to come to terms that election security is an important issue to many that has to be included. We should want everyone to vote and be confident in the results.
To protect democracy, election security > expanding the electorate.

It’s more important to restore high-frequency, engaged voters’ confidence in free & fair elections than it is to make it easier for low propensity, less committed voters to cast a ballot
 
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To protect democracy, election security > expanding the electorate.

It’s more important to restore high-frequency, engaged voters’ confidence in free & fair elections than it is to make it easier for low propensity, less committed voters to cast a ballot
I've yet to hear of a single voter who wanted to vote who was denied the opportunity to vote.
 
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