No, they are afraid they'll be confused about which one to use . . .
No, they are afraid they'll be confused about which one to use . . .
Dems and Pubs both play the gerrymandering game.
Voter ID shouldn’t be hard. You want to vote, verify you’re eligible and vote. It’s not that hard.
Americans' faith in election integrity drops: POLL
Only 20% of the public says it's very confident in the country's elections.abcnews.go.com
Dan Carlin said this was a possibility in 2016 on his Common Sense podcast and that people he had talked to in the intelligence communities were worried that the Russians were trying to accomplish this via social media bots, etc. at that time.
Regardless of who caused this, though, it's very troublesome.
My father worked in his precinct polling location for over 20 years.
We kids got day old doughnuts when he got home.
As long as losers say they were cheated … there will be distrust.
Both sides did it recently, Abrams, Hilary, and Trump. Dems also felt cheated in 2000.
All counting activities need to be effectively monitored by interested parties. It can’t work otherwise.
Ballot harvesting is insane, and needs to stop. — It is a potential counting activity not monitored by anyone.
Mail-in ballots can be provided postage-free if a state is inclined to do so.
To be fair, it only hurt voter confidence because one party repeatedly and consistently told voters not to be confident because of it.
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I don’t accept that. I agree that the messaging hurt but it’s not all that hurt it.
It’s new, it’s scary, and it doesn’t “feel right” to people who are used to standing in line and showing an ID to a nice elderly volunteer at a desk at the polling place. It was thrust onto people amidst the most lop-sided media-covered election that I can remember. The crumbling of the Russia investigation, the clear failure to cover anything that could hurt Biden, etc created a storm around the election. And a bunch of states just deciding to extend and augment mail-in without proper change management aided in the aftermath.
That's a fair compromise take. I'll accept that.
Didn't peg you as a guy who wanted to decide policy based on folks all up in their feelz. I guess I should have seen the calculus from my conservative brethren:
feelz about the covid = bad
feelz about the voting = hmmm...okay!
Tied into this, the Cyber Ninjas lost a court case on whether or not they have to comply to FOI requests so they have closed their doors. I guess that is one way to avoid FOI requests.
news.yahoo.com
Cyber Ninjas, company that led Arizona GOP election 'audit,' is shutting down
Arizona election officials this week released a report rebutting almost every claim by Cyber Ninjas in its ballot review.
Voting should be easy and secure. We need a comprehensive analysis of the process and bipartisan recommendations on how we achieve those objectives. Measures that intentionally make voting harder should be criticized as such. And Ds have to come to terms that election security is an important issue to many that has to be included. We should want everyone to vote and be confident in the results.
Pretty solid assessment.
Go around the world and they all say that the mail in vote is the least secure vote. If you are giving everyone a holiday, a free day off, to go in person and vote, then the only absentee mail in votes I would allow would be military, expatriates, and possibly those physically incapable of going to a voting precinct.
If we are looking for a compromise, that would be mine on the holiday. One person, one vote, in person on a federally recognized holiday. Build in some set asides in hours for "essential" businesses and there you go.
The main complaint from the right is that you cannot verify who all is voting and ballot harvesting. The main complaint from the left is finding time to vote. My proposal addresses each.
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That’s not what I advocate. I’m explaining the sour taste in mouths. It wasn’t handled well. It was thrust into people under the guise of COVID. If it’s a more efficient way of voting and is equally secure (how on earth could it be at the logical level?) then fine, but don’t decide it at the last minute amidst a highly controversial election lead up.Didn't peg you as a guy who wanted to decide policy based on folks all up in their feelz. I guess I should have seen the calculus from my conservative brethren:
feelz about the covid = bad
feelz about the voting = hmmm...okay!
The media’s behavior in September and October was farcical at best and criminal at worst.
We also need equitable voting locations. I’d propose that it should be based upon population numbers. Forever there was 1 voting location in Marion County and whole bunch in the much more Republican donut counties. That was 100% intentional and needs to be rectified.
I am far from convinced that mail in is anywhere near as secure but hopefully the evil doers on both sides balance one another out before being arrested.
Is that not Marion County's fault? I am a bit uninformed on how the locations are picked but I thought the county decided that and Marion county is most assuredly not run by the GOP. I do know that in the few years after graduating from IU that I lived in Marion County that there was more than one polling site. I voted at an elementary school in the Nora area.
All that being said, I would have no problem making sure there were an equal amount of places to vote in person. To me the most secure election is in person with a paper ballot to back up the vote.
The law required unanimous approval to add locations. The law also required at least 1 member from the GOP. Hence no voting stations. That’s poor.
A court changed this for Marion County. Under Indiana law, the voting board has to unanimously agree on locations. The board is 2 from one party and one from the other. In Hamilton, the one D okayed as many voting locations as the 2 Rs wanted. In Marion the one R would only vote for one location.
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Game Theory would likely push both sides to cheat as much as they could since they’ll assume the other side will be maximizing cheating. Much like an arms race.
Ok, then that is not right. I am not in Marion County anymore so that is something I was not aware of. Going back to the post above, despite my ignorance of that point, if you are going to more draconian enforce in person voting like I was saying, then there should be an abundance of neighborhood polling locations to vote at no matter where you live.
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So getting back to MCM, should we have uniform election laws? While I understand elections are conducted locally and always will be, should they be conducted under a uniform set of rules? Wouldn’t that raise citizen confidence? But together a blue ribbon committee to make recommendations to address voting access and security. Let’s go.
You're not advocating for election policy? It sure looks like you are. And You're justifying the one set of feelz because you agree with them and mocking another set of feelz because you don't.
I don't have a problem with people's feelz. Just want to call it for what it is.
All of this is peoples' "feelz" Hoos. There was no widespread voter fraud; had there been it would have been discovered in a court somewhere. The issue is that the vast majority of people do not feelz confident about our elections and that in and of itself is the issue. Feelz. So steps have to be taken to remedy same. The common sense approach is to restrict mail-in voting to the disabled/military/etc., require voter ids, institute a national holiday(s), and ensure that every community has ample NEIGHBORHOOD voting locations. If federalization is required to institute same then so be it.
All of the gamesmanship is just that, coupled with stereotyping. Republicans want to gerrymander to combat the fact that in most places the walls are closing in on them so they have to be strategic to keep pace with the evolving demographics; Republicans and Democrats think blacks and young people are too lazy (or too busy) to take the time to get Voter Ids so Republicans support Ids and Dems don't; Dems know some of their constituents won't stand in line for hours so support mail-in votes; Repubs know that the old farts in the Villages will stand in line on their knee replacements and wilting hips for days in the driving rain clutching their Styrofoam cups of black coffee to vote so they only want in-person voting. It's all a game and we all know what's behind every "concern," whether people are too afraid or PC or woke to say it.
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My grandma sends my kids cash in the mail every year for their birthdays. She lives in Texas, we live in Indiana.
What's the point?
Have no idea. Don't really care either way.
It's $20. It's always gotten here, three times a year, for 20 years now.
If there's some scheme about someone taking birthday cards from mail, I've never heard of it.
Mail-in voting in Florida was certainly very secure. I had to register online with my voter ID card, had to provide a cell number and/or an email address that was already on file from my prior registration for verification, I had to answer security questions such as my state property tax ID from the prior year, and I had to confirm by email or text my identity both when I voted and when my vote was counted. If I had showed up in person I would have been turned away. It happened to others.
Voting in person in Florida in my experience is less secure due to the human element. Sometimes the poll workers ask for ID, sometimes they don't: they just let you sign next to your name on the voter rolls, since they want to keep the line moving. So unless two people try to sign in under the same name and address, nobody knows that anything went wrong.
Voting in person in Florida in my experience is less secure due to the human element. Sometimes the poll workers ask for ID, sometimes they don't: they just let you sign next to your name on the voter rolls, since they want to keep the line moving. So unless two people try to sign in under the same name and address, nobody knows that anything went wrong.
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What? Either you’re having a rare episode of poor reading comprehension or my writing isn’t being interpreted as I intend.
I’m not advocating anything. I’m explaining why I don’t accept that the 2020 opposition to mail voting is only because the GOP launched a misinformation campaign against it. I’m explaining there are other factors - human nature mostly - that coupled with poor change management has left people with a poor trust in the process. I’m not advocating anything. I’m speaking on why people didn’t trust.
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I probably don’t know enough details to be anything other than a layman. But I’m a layman that prides himself on critical thinking and common sense.
It certainly seems against common sense and logic that we can have national elections, which are the sum of state/county-monitored bodies, without at least a uniform set of “basic” standards. We probably do and I’m just not aware of them.
I am pro-voter ID (which apparently makes me a huge racist). Pro national day off for elections. I’m all in favor of voting being easier - but extremely secure. I’d be happy were a bi-partisan commission formed to establish the universal rules, but the commission would need some teeth.
That would require an amendment to the US Constitution. THAT will never happen. Or, if you think it might, please explain how.
Tape certain elected officials' mouths shut and remove the existence of social media and cable news?
Otherwise, I doubt that 20% will ever go down.
I am not too PC to say it. I don't want just anybody voting because half of this country knows what is going on in Kim Kardashian's life more than they do the country. That stupidity knows no party. I think there should be a little bit of a convenience barrier to participating because quite a few of the people that don't vote, you don't want voting because it will be a fast track to an idiocracy nanny state. We are half way there now with the minor inconveniences in place as it is.
