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One of the problems with going electric vehicles and machines etc.

Right. But you have to appreciate the source. This isn't stay at home Pete talking in platitudes and generalities and nonsense with his soft manicured nails. Ze. This is an industry man. Okay. An oil man. A man who has gained expertise in the energy field BY WORKING WITH HIS HANDS AND GETTING DIRTY. A man that seamlessly goes from the garage twisting off rusted bolts to put in a new battery THAT HE MADE HIMSELF to the oil fields of the Dakotas where he shares a shed with six other men all on cots. Up at 4 am to turn on the hoses or dozers or whatever they use.

When Victor showed up to the site and they asked for his resume he just showed them his hands and went to work.

Americans are still out there. You lose faith with all the nerds and paper pushers on this board but thanks to Victor we know there's still hope
Hey I learned the difference between an open and closed deck engine block. Today was a good day.

More information I'll never use anywhere other than our current scenario. Because, were I to use it with somebody in the wild I run the risk of them actually knowing what I'm talking about and having far superior knowledge.

Kinda like knowing how to ask where the library is in Spanish and then the person tries to have a whole ass conversation in Spanish. And I just stand there and nod.
 
Hey I learned the difference between an open and closed deck engine block. Today was a good day.

More information I'll never use anywhere other than our current scenario. Because, were I to use it with somebody in the wild I run the risk of them actually knowing what I'm talking about and having far superior knowledge.

Kinda like knowing how to ask where the library is in Spanish and then the person tries to have a whole ass conversation in Spanish. And I just stand there and nod.
Amongst our law school crew the response is "He likes peanuts" from that wonderful Simpsons episode when homer won an elephant
 
Your first mistake is to believe what the OP posted is a real story. I read the same thing on Facebook at least 6 months ago and I realized it's the same kind of concocted story people make up to tell you how bad things are getting probably with some creative editing by someone with the oil industry. There's no way electric will be viable with agriculture for machinery that is only used for just a few weeks a year. Maybe at some point but certainly not now without a better means of recharging in a large field miles away from where the farmer's live.

did you not like my easy solution above to the recharging in a field miles away problem?

as fast and easy as refueling.
 
They drive their new Tesla.....

Except in Commiefornia, which cannot produce electricity to avoid rolling blackouts at this time.

Imagine...your new electric car in the garage in Commiefornia.....needs a charge, because you've had no electricity for three days and have used your battery power for work, school, groceries, doctor etc.....

Oh snap, a fire breaks out, your new electric vehicle in your garage won't run, and is soon to be a cinder, along with everything else you own...

And possibly your loved ones, too.

I laughed out loud at the poster suggesting a battery pack swap out on farm equipment, like a 24 volt Sawzall....
seeing eye to eye is one thing.

you responded to my post with gobbledygook that had nothing to do with anything i said, and didn't even make sense.

when i nicely asked you to explain what in the world you were saying, you go all hurt snowflake on me.

and what exactly is it i said you disagree with?
Not worth even this response.
 
Ten years ago would you have thought electric car technology would move this fast or be this available?
Electric technology was all over the place years ago. Remember the busses that ran on a tether? Street cars too. We moved to on-board fuel for some pretty good reasons. The problem with any energy is portability and storage. Gasoline/diesel is still the best for many applications. A tanker truck is like a big battery that easily moves stored energy from point A to point B.

Electricity will always have insurmountable limitations until we get superconducting transfer. Without that, just moving electricity is a consumptive use. Same for storing electricity.

For certain applications, electric drive is better for the end user, and we will be seeing more of it. But when you consider all the ramifications of building batteries, producing electricity, and moving electricity, the “greenness” is not what people think.
 
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did you not like my easy solution above to the recharging in a field miles away problem?

as fast and easy as refueling.
Easy solution?

Think about the infrastructure costs and time frame that this would involve.

You must enjoy the thought of $8.00 for a loaf of bread and a $30.00 cheeseburger.
 
i think i pissed him off when i suggested how we do away with gas engines.
Who’s pissed? I never once said anything about doing away with gas/diesel. Go re-read all the conversations. Is the technology ready. No. Can it be? Maybe. There is arguments for both but to say it can’t be done is very short sighted. Technology moves faster than it ever has.
 
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Electric technology was all over the place years ago. Remember the busses that ran on a tether? Street cars too. We moved to on-board fuel for some pretty good reasons. The problem with any energy is portability and storage. Gasoline/diesel is still the best for many applications. A tanker truck is like a big battery that easily moves stored energy from point A to point B.

Electricity will always have insurmountable limitations until we get superconducting transfer. Without that, just moving electricity is a consumptive use. Same for storing electricity.

For certain applications, electric drive is better for the end user, and we will be seeing more of it. But when you consider all the ramifications of building batteries, producing electricity, and moving electricity, the “greenness” is not what people think.
Mask it/call it what you want. It’s the efficiency side that matters. Electric is viable. Tesla was never a green movement as far as Elon goes. He’s put people in their place for assuming that. He saw a use and made it happen. Pretty effectively too. Most just laughed it off. Me included.
 
Who’s pissed? I never once said anything about doing away with gas/diesel. Go re-read all the conversations. Is the technology ready. No. Can it be? Maybe. There is arguments for both but to say it can’t be done is very short sighted. Technology moves faster than it ever has.

are you a bot?

you respond to my posts with nonsense that has nothing in the slightest to do with what i posted, and doesn't even make sense.

you need to re read our back and forth, not i.

please do before responding.
 
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Mask it/call it what you want. It’s the efficiency side that matters. Electric is viable. Tesla was never a green movement as far as Elon goes. He’s put people in their place for assuming that. He saw a use and made it happen. Pretty effectively too. Most just laughed it off. Me included.
Tesla would still be the name of an inventor without government retail subsidies. It was definitely a green movement even though the green is a essentially another government fraud.
 
are you a bot?

you respond to my posts with nonsense that has nothing in the slightest to do with what i posted, and doesn't even make sense.

you need to re read our back and forth, not i.

please do before responding.
What was nonsense? The battery swap I agreed with? The warranty issue is nothing new. The machines would be designed to swap batteries easily. The technology isn’t there yet but could be. I completely agree with you on most. Agree?
 
What was nonsense? The battery swap I agreed with? The warranty issue is nothing new. The machines would be designed to swap batteries easily. The technology isn’t there yet but could be. I completely agree with you on most. Agree?

i think maybe you were mis matching your replies.

your reply to my original post didn't make sense as to my post you were responding to.

why i asked you to clear up what you were saying.
 
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People whining about the costs of an EV transition in passenger and commercial road vehicles are totally ignoring the exponentially-rising cost of global climate change. Or they are denying that global climate change even exists, which at this point is at the level of absurdity seen in believing in a Flat Earth or believing in the Big Lie.
 
I won’t argue with you on that. The other problem with newer engine design is the the inherent problems with burning carbon fuels. They lose energy in the process. They also still have carbon build up issues. Ford added port injection to keep valves clean. Seems a simple fix but it just adds more parts. Look I love my gas and oil burners but even I can’t argue they are dying out.
Toyota introduced dual injection in 2008, & Ford & others have adopted as well.
 
Sure it is. Mine is a screamer turbo 6 and gets areound 35 on highway and about 30 average. It’s a decent size car too. That mileage. was unheard of just a few years ago. It has mild hybrid technology which is a feature many cars have nowadays, but it isn’t advertised.
My Regal 6-cyl. got 30-31 mpg on the highway (long haul, interstate, few stops).

Getting 35 mpg from a new hybrid doesn't sound very impressive.
 
The National Electric Grid could not handle the extra use of charging cars! We are 20 years away. To say we are not, is just plain stupid! But speaking of stupid, how are you Biden voters.
 
People whining about the costs of an EV transition in passenger and commercial road vehicles are totally ignoring the exponentially-rising cost of global climate change. Or they are denying that global climate change even exists, which at this point is at the level of absurdity seen in believing in a Flat Earth or believing in the Big Lie.
Right, and the electricity used to charge is free and no emissions are generated from producing it right? You can go out in storms, catch lightning in a bottle and charge your car battery.
 
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Right, and the electricity used to charge is free and no emissions are generated from producing it right? You can go out in storms, catch lightning in a bottle and charge your car battery.
Battery disposal is also easy and safe🫣 not to mention we will have more dependence on China.
 
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People whining about the costs of an EV transition in passenger and commercial road vehicles are totally ignoring the exponentially-rising cost of global climate change. Or they are denying that global climate change even exists, which at this point is at the level of absurdity seen in believing in a Flat Earth or believing in the Big Lie.
Wtf is a passenger road vehicle? Do you mean a car?
 
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Right, and the electricity used to charge is free and no emissions are generated from producing it right? You can go out in storms, catch lightning in a bottle and charge your car battery.
Wether you believe any climate change stuff the biggest difference is how the emissions are captured. It’s easier to capture at the source than at each tailpipe. It’s not about no emissions it’s about less.
 
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The roadside will be covered with cars with dead batteries. It looks like the tow truck business will be good.
You are just dumb. It’s so easy to gang charge from battery to battery. Leave the educated stuff to the adults. Now go back to the play pen.
 
Right, and the electricity used to charge is free and no emissions are generated from producing it right? You can go out in storms, catch lightning in a bottle and charge your car battery.
Right, and the electricity used to charge is free and no emissions are generated from producing it right? You can go out in storms, catch lightning in a bottle and charge your car battery.
You're talking to a guy without an ounce of common sense. "People whining...don't understand climate." If a passenger road vehicle is a car the average price of an electric "car" is the same as the median household income here. You think they're just going to not pay rent or buy groceries or pay utilities and roll down to the dealership with their 510 credit score and see about a new EV Tahoe. Now to qualify they have 2 hundy they can put down but are going to need an 80 year loan if that works.

Also everyone parks on the street. Soooooo gonna need help charging. No garages.
 
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I mean maybe I’m now talking to a different lower elevation mountain?
Okay as a disclaimer going forward: I'm not responding to any replies I receive unless and until that poster either likes or loves the post they responded to. I've pissed away far too many points and I'm going to rectify that. I'm not living in an Internet world with a lower score than uncle bulk

Govern yourself accordingly
 
Okay as a disclaimer going forward: I'm not responding to any replies I receive unless and until that poster either likes or loves the post they responded to. I've pissed away far too many points and I'm going to rectify that. I'm not living in an Internet world with a lower score than uncle bulk

Govern yourself accordingly
@jet812 thank you
 
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They need to drastically increase the range of batteries to around 1000 miles per charge and their lifespan to 15-20 years before needing replacing before electric vehicles will ever become mainstream.
 
Damn I need to have another cup of coffee so I can figure out where this went of the rails. Having idiots like Lucy blocked makes some of this stuff complicated. 🤔
 
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