Official Vance /Walz debate thread

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

No she’s bouncing back big time. My daughter is having dinner at their house Sat. And I don’t care. About any of it. Like your linguistic post it’s funny how you get to that point

Serious moment, this is how I got there. I had a string of really, really bad relationships. Not because women suck, of course, because I suck. I'm willing to accept I'm the problem. But, either way, I was just burnt out and done with all of it. So I made like a New Year's Resolution kind of thing. No dating for one year. Just focus on me. A year later, I realized I was happier than I'd ever been in my entire adult life.

And that's that. I wish I had figured this out decades ago, and I would have become a priest or something.

 

[snarlcakes]

I know. Again you’re young. Gifted. But young. He inherited a pile of shit and pulled us out. I know. And what he did for pre-existing is more impactful than anything any president has done in my lifetime

There’s no evil like insurance co evil. And to not get coverage for someone suffering was hell for millions

He didn’t pull us out of it, he prolonged the recovery. ACA was a disaster to small business owners and working class people.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Serious moment, this is how I got there. I had a string of really, really bad relationships. Not because women suck, of course, because I suck. I'm willing to accept I'm the problem. But, either way, I was just burnt out and done with all of it. So I made like a New Year's Resolution kind of thing. No dating for one year. Just focus on me. A year later, I realized I was happier than I'd ever been in my entire adult life.

And that's that. I wish I had figured this out decades ago, and I would have become a priest or something.

oh that's because you came back UNRECOGNIZABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's like a different life. both have their pros and cons. i'm extremely happy like you. went back to playing soccer. relaxing. less stress. no fighting. time wiht kids is undivided and super fun. just better. but i think part of it is age. she tells me what she has going every weekend and it's exhausing and i'm so glad i don't have to deal with it all.

 

[snarlcakes]

Serious moment, this is how I got there. I had a string of really, really bad relationships. Not because women suck, of course, because I suck. I'm willing to accept I'm the problem. But, either way, I was just burnt out and done with all of it. So I made like a New Year's Resolution kind of thing. No dating for one year. Just focus on me. A year later, I realized I was happier than I'd ever been in my entire adult life.

And that's that. I wish I had figured this out decades ago, and I would have become a priest or something.

How do you go without sex? I figured out when I was 20 women suck, but they have vaginas. So, I put up with their sh#t 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Morrison]

Yes sir

I’d bet good money the kid looks just like you. 😊

 

[IUfanBorden]

I don't know that I've ever seen Aloha "defend" Hillary or Kamala. What he does do is categorically debunk the attempts to equate either with Trump. In that he's right, there's no comparison.

Ok..... 😂

He does a whole lot of debunking then....😂

 

[mcmurtry66]

I’d bet good money the kid looks just like you. 😊

Completing my metamorphosis from a young cocksman to an old cuck

 

[IUfanBorden]

Try to be honest. It’s apparently not one of your traits.

Where have I lied? Dude you constantly "defend" Kamala. I have never seen you call her out...Not once. But you pounce on everything Trump. People say , "Kamala lies"---You---Well not like Trump does. It simply never fails. Anything negative said toward Waltz or Harris, you attack those with, "well Trump does it worse..."

99.99% of your post, pretty much regardless the context, is anti-trump. I have yet to see you post a single negative toward Harris or Waltz.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Yes. Dumb as a post. You can’t even acknowledge a simple fact that voter fraud has a meaning and HRC did not claim she lost because of it, but Trump did. I have no desire to converse with a stubborn bonehead, so stop. We’re done.

What do you think HRC meant by the election "not being on the level"? And exactly how does one STEAL an election, without the presence of fraud? Fraud can be defined as, obtaining through deceit/deception.

I'm stubborn? Dude ytou have NEVER wavered on ANY stance, you have ever taken. None. Nadda. Zero. You feel you are above such. That you know all. Better than everyone else. TBH, you come as a pompus prick.

You love namecalling dont ya-----Isnt that something you chastise DJT for? let me guess----But he does it worse, Borden..

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Where have I lied? Dude you constantly "defend" Kamala. I have never seen you call her out...Not once. But you pounce on everything Trump. People say , "Kamala lies"---You---Well not like Trump does. It simply never fails. Anything negative said toward Waltz or Harris, you attack those with, "well Trump does it worse..."

99.99% of your post, pretty much regardless the context, is anti-trump. I have yet to see you post a single negative toward Harris or Waltz.

It’s simple. I want Trump to lose. I consider he and MAGA culture a huge embarrassment to my party. Plus he’s unfit for the office of President - in my very solidified opinion. I have no affinity for Harris and if you criticize her honestly, I’ll have nothing to say about it. However, you’re not even being honest in this post. Trying to say Harris is as much of a liar as Trump is, is a lie. No objective person believes that. This isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact.

You be honest and you can say what you want about her and I won’t care.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

What do you think HRC meant by the election "not being on the level"? And exactly how does one STEAL an election, without the presence of fraud? Fraud can be defined as, obtaining through deceit/deception.

I'm stubborn? Dude ytou have NEVER wavered on ANY stance, you have ever taken. None. Nadda. Zero. You feel you are above such. That you know all. Better than everyone else. TBH, you come as a pompus prick.

You love namecalling dont ya-----Isnt that something you chastise DJT for? let me guess----But he does it worse, Borden..

VOTER FRAUD. Look it up. Say it. Whenever you claim she claimed voter fraud you’re lying or you’re stupid.

I’m sorry, but I’ve lost all patience with the rampant dishonesty of MAGAs. I am embarrassed by it because you think of yourseyas Republican. You came in claiming you weren’t MAGA or even political, but repeat the same dishonest talking points that every MAGA here does. Word for word, copied and pasted exactly the same. I don’t think you were being honest. I assume you can understand why.

 

[IUfanBorden]

It’s simple. I want Trump to lose. I consider he and MAGA culture a huge embarrassment to my party. Plus he’s unfit for the office of President - in my very solicited opinion. I have no affinity for Harris and if you criticize her honestly, I’ll have nothing to say about it. However, you’re not even being honest in this post. Trying to say Harris is as much of a liar as Trump is, is a lie. No objective person believes that. This isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact.

You be honest and you can say what you want about her and I won’t care.

Where did I say, or even insinuate Harris is as much of a liar than Trump? I have never said that. Not once. I have said, and said so repeatedly, just because she doesnt lie as much, or tell "worse lies", doesnt excuse, or dismiss the fact she lies---and A LOT.

You approach everything so literally, and seemingly have a hard time deciphering "sarcasm", poking fun, etc....with reality. Do I think she lies more than DJT? No. Do I htink she lies a lot? Absolutely. SO she wins. She's the lesser, liar---so to speak.

I have yet to ever see you NOT defend any negative brought toward her, or Waltz. I thnk your hatred for DJT simply doesnt allow to see her faults. And thats because you are always comparing. "She doesnt lie as much.....She doesnt tell worse lies, etc, etc....And by doing so, you are overlooking that even though she's not as bad as DJT, she is still pretty ****ing bad.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Where did I say, or even insinuate Harris is as much of a liar than Trump? I have never said that. Not once. I have said, and said so repeatedly, just because she doesnt lie as much, or tell "worse lies", doesnt excuse, or dismiss the fact she lies---and A LOT.

You approach everything so literally, and seemingly have a hard time deciphering "sarcasm", poking fun, etc....with reality. Do I think she lies more than DJT? No. Do I htink she lies a lot? Absolutely. SO she wins. She's the lesser, liar---so to speak.

I have yet to ever see you NOT defend any negative brought toward her, or Waltz. I thnk your hatred for DJT simply doesnt allow to see her faults. And thats because you are always comparing. "She doesnt lie as much.....She doesnt tell worse lies, etc, etc....And by doing so, you are overlooking that even though she's not as bad as DJT, she is still pretty ****ing bad.

That’s a much better post.

I don’t like Harris. Criticize her honestly all you want.

 

[IUfanBorden]

VOTER FRAUD. Look it up. Say it. Whenever you claim she claimed voter fraud you’re lying or you’re stupid.

I’m sorry, but I’ve lost all patience with the rampant dishonesty of MAGAs. I am embarrassed by it because you think of yourseyas Republican. You came in claiming you weren’t MAGA or even political, but repeat the same dishonest talking points that every MAGA here does. Word for word, copied and pasted exactly the same. I don’t think you were being honest. I assume you can understand why.

1. Not a MAGA.
2. Not a Republican, nor a Democrat.

Why must you affiliate everyone who votes for Trump, as MAGA?

Explain to me how an election can be stolen, without the presence of "voter fraud"? How is that possible? And look, just b/c HRC didnt use the word "fraud", doesnt mean that is not what she meant; ANd maybe it wasn't. Maybe she feels a Russian spy broke into a ballot box, and stole a bunch of her votes? I dunno. Guess that is possible.

What I post is what I think. I dont copy...I simply post what I feel...What I think. Pretty ****ing arrogant of you to pretend you know different. Again, its what makes you come off as a pompus, ass prick. That you know people better than they know themselves---and thus wanting to lump them in with a group, just becuase, "you know..." You are a very arrognat and obtuse person.

As for being honest....What have I lied about? I think HRC thorugh her claims of the election being stolen, was insinuating a fraudlent election. How you see that as being some far-fetched, MAGA this or that, is ****ing beyond me.

You see, problem is, in your mind, you cant be wrong...Impossible. There is no middle-ground with you: You are right, everyone else is wrong. Not even a hint of, "Ya know Broden, I could see how someone could claim she(HRC) was claiming fraud. Even though I dont thin k she was---I could see how that could be , ya know---thought of."----But naaaah. Thats not you. You cant do that. You are not wired that way. Its your way---or nothing. ANd if someone doesnt bow to you , agree with you---well you retort to telling them how dumb they are...how stupid they are, etc....

Its ok to have a differ of opinions. To see things differently. I thiink HRC was claiming fraud, when she said the election was stolen. You dont. Ok, cool.

Grow the **** up, dude.

 

[IUfanBorden]

That’s a much better post.

I don’t like Harris. Criticize her honestly all you want.

WHo are you to judge such? WTF you mean, "much better post"?--Bro its the same shit I have said over and over, and ****ing over.

God damn are you an arrogant muther****er.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

1. Not a MAGA.
2. Not a Republican, nor a Democrat.

Why must you affiliate everyone who votes for Trump, as MAGA?

Explain to me how an election can be stolen, without the presence of "voter fraud"? How is that possible? And look, just b/c HRC didnt use the word "fraud", doesnt mean that is not what she meant; ANd maybe it wasn't. Maybe she feels a Russian spy broke into a ballot box, and stole a bunch of her votes? I dunno. Guess that is possible.

What I post is what I think. I dont copy...I simply post what I feel...What I think. Pretty ****ing arrogant of you to pretend you know different. Again, its what makes you come off as a pompus, ass prick. That you know people better than they know themselves---and thus wanting to lump them in with a group, just becuase, "you know..." You are a very arrognat and obtuse person.

As for being honest....What have I lied about? I think HRC thorugh her claims of the election being stolen, was insinuating a fraudlent election. How you see that as being some far-fetched, MAGA this or that, is ****ing beyond me.

You see, problem is, in your mind, you cant be wrong...Impossible. There is no middle-ground with you: You are right, everyone else is wrong. Not even a hint of, "Ya know Broden, I could see how someone could claim she(HRC) was claiming fraud. Even though I dont thin k she was---I could see how that could be , ya know---thought of."----But naaaah. Thats not you. You cant do that. You are not wired that way. Its your way---or nothing. ANd if someone doesnt bow to you , agree with you---well you retort to telling them how dumb they are...how stupid they are, etc....

Its ok to have a differ of opinions. To see things differently. I thiink HRC was claiming fraud, when she said the election was stolen. You dont. Ok, cool.

Grow the **** up, dude.

You can’t possibly equate what she said with claiming voter fraud. I don’t care if that seems arrogant, but it’s a fact that she didn’t. I’m fed up with the dishonesty and the absence of logical thinking.

You claim not to be MAGA, but I see no difference between you and the self-admitted and proud MAGAs on this board and elsewhere.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

WHo are you to judge such? WTF you mean, "much better post"?--Bro its the same shit I have said over and over, and ****ing over.

God damn are you an arrogant muther****er.

A fed up arrogant MF. I agree.

 

[IUfanBorden]

A fed up arrogant MF. I agree.

Fed up with..............................What? People having a different opinion than you? Me saying I think HRC claimed fraud, doesnt make me right---but it also doesnt make me wrong. I'm not the only perosn who perceived her claim of a "stolen election", as being fraud.

Problem in this world, and it includes myself as well, is that we get cuaght up in how bad the other is, that we lose sight of the shortcomings of ourselves, and/or those who we support. Just because something is worse than the other, doesnt mean it still isnt bad.

Take for example one of the worst syings ever---"It could always be worse..., or people have ot worse than you "---Ok. And? Of course it could always be worse---and of course there are people worse off than me...It doesnt change my situation. It doesnt lessen the burden. When I had my shoulder replaced, and missed 9 months of work, I had some tell me---"Well it could always be worse."---Just dumb. Of course it could. But it didnt change the fact of how bad my situation was.

I'm fed to...I'm fed up with the hypocrisy...the comparing. How politics have separated people. Its why i rarely, until now, ever participated in political talk. It just brings out the bad in everyone. SO what I will vote for Trump. Ok. What, thay makes me some type of bad person? Why? What because I think hes a better fit for POTUS, than Harris? Thats just dumb.

 

[IUfanBorden]

You can’t possibly equate what she said with claiming voter fraud. I don’t care if that seems arrogant, but it’s a fact that she didn’t. I’m fed up with the dishonesty and the absence of logical thinking.

You claim not to be MAGA, but I see no difference between you and the self-admitted and proud MAGAs on this board and elsewhere.

How could I not take what she said, and affiliate it with fraud? SHe said the election "was not on the level"? What does that mean to you?

How is me THINKING she cliamed fraud, being dishonest? Thats jsut dumb, dude. I could easily say you thinking its not, is being dishonest. Maybe I am wrong. Ok....cool. But me thinking that, doesnt make me a liar. I could think yellow is the best color----doesn that mean I am lying?

Absence of logical thinking? What is so illogical of thinking her saying the election "was not on the level", as that meaning fraud?

Easy, softball question here----When she said, "election was not on the level", what do you think she meant by that? ANd in a election---how could someone "steal" an election, w/o the presence of fraud? If the Russians colluded to get DJT elected, how did they do this? If an outside entity, not register to vote, interfers, would than not make such an event, fraudlent?

 

[IUfanBorden]

You can’t possibly equate what she said with claiming voter fraud. I don’t care if that seems arrogant, but it’s a fact that she didn’t. I’m fed up with the dishonesty and the absence of logical thinking.

You claim not to be MAGA, but I see no difference between you and the self-admitted and proud MAGAs on this board and elsewhere.

Different types of election fraud

There are many ways for criminals to steal votes and change the outcome of an election. These include:

• Impersonation fraud at the polls:Voting in the name of other legitimate voters and voters who have died, moved away, or lost their right to vote because they are felons, but remain registered.
  
• False registrations: Voting under fraudulent voter registrations that either use a phony name and a real or fake address or claim residence in a particular jurisdiction where the registered voter does not actually live and is not entitled to vote.
  
• Duplicate voting: Registering in multiple locations and voting in the same election in more than one jurisdiction or state.
  
• Fraudulent use of absentee ballots: Requesting absentee ballots and voting without the knowledge of the actual voter; or obtaining the absentee ballot from a voter and either filling it in directly and forging the voter’s signature or illegally telling the voter who to vote for.
  
• Buying votes: Paying voters to cast either an in-person or absentee ballot for a particular candidate.
  
• Illegal “assistance” at the polls: Forcing or intimidating voters—particularly the elderly, disabled, illiterate, and those for whom English is a second language—to vote for particular candidates while supposedly providing them with “assistance.”
  
• Ineligible voting: Illegal registration and voting by individuals who are not U.S. citizens, are convicted felons, or are otherwise not eligible to vote.
  
• Altering the vote count: Changing the actual vote count either in a precinct or at the central location where votes are counted.
  
• Ballot petition fraud: Forging the signatures of registered voters on the ballot petitions that must be filed with election officials in some states for a candidate or issue to be listed on the official ballot.

You are brushing with to short of brush.....THis is a list of some ways of STEALING votes, i.e. stealing an elction---AKA, voter fraud. THis is exactly what HRC claimed---A STOLEN ELCTION----or well, voter fraud.

 

[stollcpa]

Different types of election fraud

There are many ways for criminals to steal votes and change the outcome of an election. These include:

• Impersonation fraud at the polls:Voting in the name of other legitimate voters and voters who have died, moved away, or lost their right to vote because they are felons, but remain registered.
• False registrations: Voting under fraudulent voter registrations that either use a phony name and a real or fake address or claim residence in a particular jurisdiction where the registered voter does not actually live and is not entitled to vote.
• Duplicate voting: Registering in multiple locations and voting in the same election in more than one jurisdiction or state.
• Fraudulent use of absentee ballots: Requesting absentee ballots and voting without the knowledge of the actual voter; or obtaining the absentee ballot from a voter and either filling it in directly and forging the voter’s signature or illegally telling the voter who to vote for.
• Buying votes: Paying voters to cast either an in-person or absentee ballot for a particular candidate.
• Illegal “assistance” at the polls: Forcing or intimidating voters—particularly the elderly, disabled, illiterate, and those for whom English is a second language—to vote for particular candidates while supposedly providing them with “assistance.”
• Ineligible voting: Illegal registration and voting by individuals who are not U.S. citizens, are convicted felons, or are otherwise not eligible to vote.
• Altering the vote count: Changing the actual vote count either in a precinct or at the central location where votes are counted.
• Ballot petition fraud: Forging the signatures of registered voters on the ballot petitions that must be filed with election officials in some states for a candidate or issue to be listed on the official ballot.

You are brushing with to short of brush.....THis is a list of some ways of STEALING votes, i.e. stealing an elction---AKA, voter fraud. THis is exactly what HRC claimed---A STOLEN ELCTION----or well, voter fraud.

I love ya Borden but you’re not going to get anywhere.

It’s nice having you post on the Cooler. Always enjoy your post on the BB and enjoying them on the Cooler.

 

[Spartans9312]

He has said this before as well

 

[UncleMark]

Different types of election fraud

There are many ways for criminals to steal votes and change the outcome of an election. These include:

• Impersonation fraud at the polls:Voting in the name of other legitimate voters and voters who have died, moved away, or lost their right to vote because they are felons, but remain registered.
• False registrations: Voting under fraudulent voter registrations that either use a phony name and a real or fake address or claim residence in a particular jurisdiction where the registered voter does not actually live and is not entitled to vote.
• Duplicate voting: Registering in multiple locations and voting in the same election in more than one jurisdiction or state.
• Fraudulent use of absentee ballots: Requesting absentee ballots and voting without the knowledge of the actual voter; or obtaining the absentee ballot from a voter and either filling it in directly and forging the voter’s signature or illegally telling the voter who to vote for.
• Buying votes: Paying voters to cast either an in-person or absentee ballot for a particular candidate.
• Illegal “assistance” at the polls: Forcing or intimidating voters—particularly the elderly, disabled, illiterate, and those for whom English is a second language—to vote for particular candidates while supposedly providing them with “assistance.”
• Ineligible voting: Illegal registration and voting by individuals who are not U.S. citizens, are convicted felons, or are otherwise not eligible to vote.
• Altering the vote count: Changing the actual vote count either in a precinct or at the central location where votes are counted.
• Ballot petition fraud: Forging the signatures of registered voters on the ballot petitions that must be filed with election officials in some states for a candidate or issue to be listed on the official ballot.

You are brushing with to short of brush.....THis is a list of some ways of STEALING votes, i.e. stealing an elction---AKA, voter fraud. THis is exactly what HRC claimed---A STOLEN ELCTION----or well, voter fraud.

I looked at your list carefully and more than once. I don't believe Clinton has claimed any of those things happened in 2016. Her claims have always been about improper influence, not fraud.

 

[mcmurtry66]

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Harris flunked the bar and the pride of Chadon st never went to law school. These aren’t 1st scholars. But radical progressives so pretty frightening.

 

[Spartans9312]

Harris flunked the bar and the pride of Chadon st never went to law school. These aren’t 1st scholars. But radical progressives so pretty frightening.

He either doesn’t:

1. Understand freedom of speech

Or

2. Believe in freedom of speech

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Different types of election fraud

There are many ways for criminals to steal votes and change the outcome of an election. These include:

• Impersonation fraud at the polls:Voting in the name of other legitimate voters and voters who have died, moved away, or lost their right to vote because they are felons, but remain registered.
• False registrations: Voting under fraudulent voter registrations that either use a phony name and a real or fake address or claim residence in a particular jurisdiction where the registered voter does not actually live and is not entitled to vote.
• Duplicate voting: Registering in multiple locations and voting in the same election in more than one jurisdiction or state.
• Fraudulent use of absentee ballots: Requesting absentee ballots and voting without the knowledge of the actual voter; or obtaining the absentee ballot from a voter and either filling it in directly and forging the voter’s signature or illegally telling the voter who to vote for.
• Buying votes: Paying voters to cast either an in-person or absentee ballot for a particular candidate.
• Illegal “assistance” at the polls: Forcing or intimidating voters—particularly the elderly, disabled, illiterate, and those for whom English is a second language—to vote for particular candidates while supposedly providing them with “assistance.”
• Ineligible voting: Illegal registration and voting by individuals who are not U.S. citizens, are convicted felons, or are otherwise not eligible to vote.
• Altering the vote count: Changing the actual vote count either in a precinct or at the central location where votes are counted.
• Ballot petition fraud: Forging the signatures of registered voters on the ballot petitions that must be filed with election officials in some states for a candidate or issue to be listed on the official ballot.

You are brushing with to short of brush.....THis is a list of some ways of STEALING votes, i.e. stealing an elction---AKA, voter fraud. THis is exactly what HRC claimed---A STOLEN ELCTION----or well, voter fraud.

She didn’t make a claim that any of that happened. That she meant that any of those happened is your opinion. Opinions do not equal facts. On the other hand, it’s a fact that Trump made multiple claims of VOTER FRAUD. You should read the links in the election interference thread which lays it all out including the fact that dozens and dozens of Republican lawyers, staff and officials told him there wasn’t any evidence behind his claims. He was lying to destroy confidence in the election so he could overturn the outcome, which he clearly tried to do. The behavior of these two people is not the same. Not even close. And you’re entitled to your opinions, but your opinions aren’t facts. I think this is the part you don’t understand.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I looked at your list carefully and more than once. I don't believe Clinton has claimed any of those things happened in 2016. Her claims have always been about improper influence, not fraud.

Exactly.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Fed up with..............................What? People having a different opinion than you? Me saying I think HRC claimed fraud, doesnt make me right---but it also doesnt make me wrong. I'm not the only perosn who perceived her claim of a "stolen election", as being fraud.

Problem in this world, and it includes myself as well, is that we get cuaght up in how bad the other is, that we lose sight of the shortcomings of ourselves, and/or those who we support. Just because something is worse than the other, doesnt mean it still isnt bad.

Take for example one of the worst syings ever---"It could always be worse..., or people have ot worse than you "---Ok. And? Of course it could always be worse---and of course there are people worse off than me...It doesnt change my situation. It doesnt lessen the burden. When I had my shoulder replaced, and missed 9 months of work, I had some tell me---"Well it could always be worse."---Just dumb. Of course it could. But it didnt change the fact of how bad my situation was.

I'm fed to...I'm fed up with the hypocrisy...the comparing. How politics have separated people. Its why i rarely, until now, ever participated in political talk. It just brings out the bad in everyone. SO what I will vote for Trump. Ok. What, thay makes me some type of bad person? Why? What because I think hes a better fit for POTUS, than Harris? Thats just dumb.

Sorry to hear about the shoulder. My BIL had that and I know it’s no picnic.

Voting for Trump doesn’t make you a bad person. I know many good people that have or plan to do the same. Heck, my dad is going to vote for him. I made no attempt to change his mind and I’m not trying to change your mind.

 

[UncleMark]

Voting for Trump doesn’t make you a bad person. I know many good people that have or plan to do the same. Heck, my dad is going to vote for him. I made no attempt to change his mind and I’m not trying to change your mind.

Anyone who votes for Trump now (as opposed to 2016 or 2020) is beyond redemption. Attempting to overturn the election and illegitimately retain power is disqualifying.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Anyone who votes for Trump now (as opposed to 2016 or 2020) is beyond redemption. Attempting to overturn the election and illegitimately retain power is disqualifying.

But opening the border to criminals. Doubling the size of the non confined docket endangering us all isn’t? At what point does incompetence that becomes dangerous become disqualifying?

Trump is no good. Harris is dangerous

 

[hoosboot]

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He has said this before as well

100% agree with you that Walz is wrong about this. Someone can't be prosecuted merely because their speech is hateful. That speech has to break laws or cause other activities that are illegal. Former President Trump and his VP candidate continue to engage in hate-filled lies against legal immigrants and they aren't going to be prosecuted for it.

Good people just have to call them out on their lies, particularly ones as awful and counter to the spirit of the American experiment as the one that Vance and Trump are engaging in.

 

[IUJIM]

I looked at your list carefully and more than once. I don't believe Clinton has claimed any of those things happened in 2016. Her claims have always been about improper influence, not fraud.

Yes. She repeatedly claimed Russian Collusion was why Trump won. Come to find out, she was the one that initiated the Steele dossier and the entire Russian Collusion was her made up story.

 

[IUJIM]

Anyone who votes for Trump now (as opposed to 2016 or 2020) is beyond redemption. Attempting to overturn the election and illegitimately retain power is disqualifying.

Anyone voting for Harris is just an outright moron.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Yes. She repeatedly claimed Russian Collusion was why Trump won. Come to find out, she was the one that initiated the Steele dossier and the entire Russian Collusion was her made up story.

Russian influence was one of her complaints, That wasn’t on the list and it was in fact happening in Trump’s favor. It had nothing to do with the Dossier.

 

[DANC]

Where does this fantasy about Trump being a "peacemaker" eminate from.? I venture to say that there were just as many global conflicts going on during Trump's Presidency as there are today. Maybe not as well known, but if we're talking US military deaths the 13 Marines killed during Biden's withdrawl pales in comparison to the 65 (45 in Afghan) who died during Trump's 4 yrs...

Biden wasn' the one who decided the US should recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, a move that inflamed Palestinian tensions and recruited thousands of new warriors for Hamas. And let's not forget Trump's overall bumbling of Afghanistan, releasing 5,000 Taliban fighters on the promise that they would kill terrorists...

A refresher on history...

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Notice that Trump's Doha agreement promised US troops out of Afghanistan by May 1, 2021 2 months after Biden became POTUS. Also notice how the condition for the release of the 5,000 Taliban fighters (in exchange for 1000 Afghan political prisoners (not at all equivalent in terms of military effectiveness) was completed in Sept 2020, around 2 months before the election...

So Bien entered the Presidency with an impossible deadline of May 1 to evacuate all US Military personnel from Afghanistan. After the deadline passed the Taliban launched a blitzkrieg spring/summer assault not vs the US but against Afghan troops. Many of the Taliban fighters released in Sept were field commanders and they played a major role in the Taliban's rapid sweep across the country. Many of the Afghan "commanders" were local tribal warlords who worked out their own arrangements with the Taliban and often surrendered their forces en masse.

Even when the terrorist attack that murdered 13 Marines occurred in Aug the Taliban were not technically broaching the agreement that Trump had tried to work out to give his electoral bid a boost. The Taliban had refrained from directly attacking US troops, so had the US resumed hosilities we would have been the ones in violation of Trump's treaty. The Taliban knew that first Trump and then Biden were desperate to evacuate US troops, so they took advantage of the situation and exposed Trump's desire to be known as a "peacemaker".

Seven months after leaving Biden with a shit show, Trump called the Taliban "smart" and seemed to applaud the sweeping nature of their victory. Yet Trump was the one responsible for signing the agreement that effectively tied Biden's hands. At the time the Taliban swept to power, it was less than a year after Trump agreed to release 5,000 key Taliban fighters. Biden inherited an agreement which called for US troops to be out of Afghan in 2 months.

So exactly who did those "smart" Taliban outwit in negotiations? Aug 17, 2021, 3 mos past the withdrawl date Trump established...

Trump calls Taliban 'smart' as they take over in Afghanistan

Former president Trump appeared on FOX News to give his take on the situation in Afghanistan calling the Taliban 'great fighters' and falsely saying they've been fighting for 1,000 years. Fmr. Obama official Ben Rhodes joins to discuss.

www.msnbc.com

Presidents before Trump proclaimed Jerusalem the capitol of Israel. Trump was the only one who followed through with it. And guess what - the word didn't erupt into war when he did it.

The rest of your post is just gibberish-as-usual.

 

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In most languages, there are three genders.

LMAO Masculine, feminine, and inanimate "it". "It" is not a gender. It's considered a non-gender.

Stay in your lane.

 

[DANC]

He either doesn’t:

1. Understand freedom of speech

Or

2. Believe in freedom of speech

Of course they believe in freedom of speech - as long as they agree with it.

 

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Walz loves China.

 

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