It is no failure and I am not making excuses. Kids no longer feel obligated to go to the state school. We want kids that want to come to Indiana. It is hard to turn down Indiana. Times have change. CMW worked hard to get him to come.
Need to step up NIL
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Got any data to support this? It sure looks like it always has -- state schools have a recruiting advantage with local players. And of course an advantage doesn't guarantee anything.
The issue is UConn didn't have that advantage a couple years ago. Good coaching, scouting, recruiting is what got them there. So far, we are lacking somewhere, and we can go down that path trying to navigate what that is but it's not just one player going to UConn, it's a culmination of failure that keeps getting harder to overlook with each situation that occurs.
No.
You start upping the money to ungodly amounts for a kid, that totally resets the market and future kids will be expecting it.
These kids have agents. (Most) Agents have more then one kid they represent, so you overpay one kid and then you're screwed.
Eh, I honestly couldn't care less about in-state kids. I know there's a large faction of people who do but primarily because the state has produced some really talented kids. I am talking about kids from anywhere. I could run down a list of failures from the last 2 years, where he has been able to get in early on kids to build relationships with and he hasn't been able to establish what's needed.
Again, all of this can be overlooked if the product on the court is good. Look no further than Purdue and their crappy recruiting yet success on the court. I don't care how my coach gets the success on the court, just that he gets it. The issue is there is failure under every rock we roll over. The only success seems to be the portal recruiting but even that turned into a mirage for us last season. Therefore, all of our chips are in on this current team and all we can do is hope it's also not just another mirage. If they are an Elite 8 team, by golly, then we have no reason to question this strategy if he can maintain it. But as of today, there are only questions and no answers, hence the fear.
Your words are full of hatred, Why do you go on the Purdue board?
We are going to get it done this year.
Except per memory Woody took some heat as he didn’t show up in kid’s sectional game until Friday, and both Painter and Shrewsberry showed mid week games, and when Woody showed up on Friday he brought his wife. Woody got torched on here and on Twitter for that act.
How did Painter and Shrewsberry fare in the Mullins recruitment?
Plenty to complain about Woody but he and the staff put a ton of work into this recruitment and I just think some of the “lazy” characterizations are unfair.
The proof will be in the pudding. Woody has the best team money can buy, IU is ranked preseason, and picked 2nd in league. He has his opportunity to prove a leopard can in fact change its spots on offense. Win big and we all fall in line, go 20-11 or 19-14 well bye bye Woody is my expectation. I think any IU coach must at least meet standard set by Tom Crean- Sweet Sixteen and Big Ten regular season crowns. Crean did that and was fired, Woody has done neither as of yet.
Where is Coach BF Hutton when we need him?
Maybe Woody just needs to read Dale Carnegies’s “How To Win Friends And Influence People.”
You forget, you still have to recruit the portal kids. You forgot the year b4, when CMW struck out in the portal.CMW did not get the kid, who went to Tenn.
Jay walking is technically illegal in most locales- so yes he’d be wrong in your scenario. Can’t blame the Colorado State transfer Dalton Knecht for heading to UTenn. Rick Barnes has a Final Four and Multiple Elite Eights and Sweet Sixteens as skins on his wall. And the choice worked out, Knecht was All American and is now a Laker. Woody got a wing from Northwestern but Kopp didn’t move like Knecht , now did he? I really hope Woody has more movement in this year’s team on offense.
Because he couldn't. Kopp was a stand still catch and shoot. Knecht was a triple threat athlete with a handle.
I have no idea how your response ties into my comment that the staff wasn’t lazy in the Mullins recruitment but yea, I agree with you that he needs to win. It seems pretty obvious but hopefully the BOT and boosters also see it that way.
Wow. I guess they’re also tithing to the basketball program.
Not sure one player is worth that, but we’ll see.
Not sure one player is worth that, but we’ll see.
I hate to say it, but if an 18yr old kid wants 4+ million to go to college for a year , we don't need them. By "we", I mean Indiana U. grads who don't support bs like that.
Our priority should be to raise the resources for our fb program. We have top 4 NIL for our basketball team nationally. We have the 49th highest paid fb coach in America. He'll require an immediate pay raise.
The idea that we haven't been meeting the mark financially for the high school talent we've pursued is off base. We have been out of our depth on who we've pursued. We doubled our budget from last year and left the checkbook open for a couple of instate players. Both are perimeter players and all we have to offer is a concept.
The idea that we haven't been meeting the mark financially for the high school talent we've pursued is off base. We have been out of our depth on who we've pursued. We doubled our budget from last year and left the checkbook open for a couple of instate players. Both are perimeter players and all we have to offer is a concept.
I 100% agree. Dolson must be walking around about 6 inches taller these days. And he damn well should, Might’ve gotten lucky, might’ve out ninja’d everyone else. Who knows? But he hammered a walkoff HR - no matter how you see it.
Here’s the truly odd thing - after this incredible Fall, I don’t think I’ll care as much about the shitshow coming in Winter. At some time (hopefully minimal) everyone on this forum except for willdog will be asking WTF is Woody doing!?
Makes me calmer, I think.
Probably. But it’s kinda hard for us older fans to pivot and not give a crap who we’re rolling out there any given night. We used to get to know our players. This rent-a-roster stuff is crap. But it’s where we are. Woody will eventually be held accountable for whatever he does.
Please don’t engage with this 13-year old idiot. I come here to get away from people like willdog.
Fair enough. But do you think UCONN fans are going to get to know McNeely or Mullins?
Did Woodson lose another kid to UCONN...or did every program in the country lose another kid to UCONN? You do realize it's the hottest program in the country,right? You act like it's only IU vs UCONN rather than UCONN against the rest of the country.
2 things can be correct at the same time. YesIU lost to U.Conn and several other schools did too.
But as I keep saying, our success isn't measured by the failures of others, it's how we do.
Yes, we lost this recruiting battle. Sadly, we are no longer the blue blood program we were in the previous century and will remain so until we have several consecutive deep runs in the Big Dance.
JHS was sort of a long-term recruitment, Reneau, Tucker and Mgbako were late signing period Miracles. Our staff has a niche, that seems to be quick and transactional.
Oh...ok.....this is the first time I have seen your name...but ok. Lol...I must not have noticed because you don't take up much space.
You aren't even on my list...let alone inside my head. Get in line.
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