Pfft. I suspect ISIS would claim credit for Harvey, Irma, and Maria if they thought people might buy it.
Las Vegas shooting: 50 people killed in Mandalay Bay attack
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Pfft. I suspect ISIS would claim credit for Harvey, Irma, and Maria if they thought people might buy it.
Seems implausible I suppose (but then again we shouldn't assume that 'white' people are incapable of joining a particular religion), but 'responsible' news media are saying that ISIS did claim credit.
If people haven't figured out there isn't a god by now, then god help them! No god would allow such vicious acts of violence, nor would this god inflict children with terminal cancer.
Sure, but have they done so in the past? Has "ISIS" (whatever that means in this context) claimed "credit" in the past for events "they" had no hand in?
I'm not pushing this; I'm just sharing. Sharing probably isn't the best approach in these early hours.
1) Gun nuts will say, "It's useless to ban assualt rifles because the bad guys will still get them" will then turn around and say ban pot even though laws don't stop people from getting that..
2) How long before Trump makes himself to be the victim in all of this?
2) How long before Trump makes himself to be the victim in all of this?
Kinda meaningless right now, considering ISIS claims credit for virtually everything.
Yes, they have. A simpler example is claiming credit for a plot, simply because the nut job read some of their literature, when they weren't directly involved in the planning and execution.
Well, I agree -- and I realize that we should never let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
This is why I said that I've long favored bans on anything that clearly facilitates mass murder -- like high-capacity magazines (as one example). I'm generally sympathetic to the arguments of gun-rights advocates. But I've never seen any persuasive argument that high-capacity magazines should be legal -- even if, as is the case with all weapons, the vast majority of them will never be used in the commission of a criminal act.
What I'm saying is that, although I'm a proponent of toughening up some of our gun laws, my expectations are very tempered on just what kind of effect they might have in preventing (or reducing) senseless acts like this one. Hopefully, we might be able to reduce the number of victims at a particular incident, anyway.
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Sounded to me like someone unloading a machine gun at a range. Not an expert, but generally I don't believe it's standard practice to unload that many shots on a battle field in a single volley as you will waste all of your ammunition.
Of course we shouldn't assume that white people couldn't be radicalized by religion. I remember the Branch Davidians and Heaven's Gate quite well. The vast majority of Jim Jones' victims were black. Radicalization knows no race.
And I'd say it's very possible that a white middle-aged American man could buy into radical Islamism, too. But I don't think it would've come out of nowhere. They've already interviewed his brother and he's as shocked as anybody. I imagine, if he'd have been radicalized (by ISIS or anybody else), his brother would've known something was afoot.
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I could show you 63,000,000 people who would at least stop and wonder if it was true.
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I'll speculate that the woman whose ID he possessed recently dumped him, and he jumped the shark.
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Every American should have access to these, amirite????
But why stop at that, when you can have this!!!
But why stop at that, when you can have this!!!
Every American should have access to these, amirite????
But why stop at that, when you can have this!!!
These should be made available to the public:
2nd amendment protects my right to purchase a military grade tank.
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Tanks don't kill people. People kill people!
These should be made available to the public:
2nd amendment protects my right to purchase a military grade tank.
If people are using already banned firearms then it seems logical that they need to either, (a) double-secret ban them, or maybe (b) ban other weapons that weren't used.
Neither would accomplish anything, but then that's not really the point.
These should be made available to the public:
2nd amendment protects my right to purchase a military grade tank.
Only if your tank uses unleaded gas. Ya know, emissions regulations and all.....
The real problem is that the entire crowd wasn't armed. Surely, that would have minimized casualties. Someone would have taken out the bad guy on the 32nd floor from the ground concert. It's the same reason that school children should be armed.
Yeah that's true. The guns they used weren't bought legally and THEN modified. They were banned and somehow fell onto their lap.
The ATF's basically been neutered by various Republicans/the NRA over the years.
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/08/atf-ridiculous-non-searchable-databases-explained/
It got worse after the David Koresh stuff in Waco.
You laugh but I was amazing at Hogan's Alley. I'd have got him!
Being flippant about this serves no purpose.
FTR, I'm sympathetic to the notion that, in all likelihood, Paddock used weapons that are already banned. But we should also remember that this is merely one incident. Sadly, when I look at the list of deadliest shooting incidents in American history, I remember the majority of those on the list. In other words, it doesn't seem much of a stretch to say that we're seeing more mass shootings than we did in the past. I'm not going to go search for scientific evidence to back that up right now -- but it seems safe to assume.
So....this one was done with automatic weapons. Perhaps he modified legal weapons to achieve this. We'll find out. But I don't think it makes much sense to formulate policy on a single incident. It seems reasonable to say that weapons of mass murder -- whether presently legal or illegal -- have proliferated to a point where it's pretty easy for somebody so inclined to pull it off.
And I think we need to examine what can be done to make that less so.
I have seen discussions that the rate of fire tends to change during the shooting. They said there are apparently mods you can make to the grip and trigger area that uses the gun's recoil to increase the ROF so that it is similar to a fully auto weapon. However, changes to the shooter's grip while firing would increase or decrease the ROF accordingly.
He also had multiple rifles. If he had them all drum fed and fixed with this type of modification it is possible that he could have done this without a fully automatic belt fed weapon.
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Everyone is a responsible gun owner until they aren't. For whatever reason, a child gets a hold of one, a responsible teenager that has had gun training suddenly decides to use his to shoot up a school, a guy's wife leaves him and he loses it. Someone is cleaning a gun and it goes off. We read these stories daily. I don't know the answer, but there's no question it's way past time for a discussion. We have the ISIS discussion constantly, but are afraid to have this one, due to the power of the NRA.
What does this even mean? You sound like these NFL guys -- we need to have a discussion....we need to have a discussion. As if such a thing is going to end police-involved shootings. Oh well, at least we discussed it....we've got that going for us.
We have discussions all the time. Those of us who post at the WC are having one right now, in fact. And I'm pretty sure we're far from the only ones.
The lack of discussions isn't the problem. The lack of plausible solutions is.
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NFL guys? Really? You sounds like these red hat wearing guys. Asking for a discussion is the nicest way of bringing irrational people to the table to have an obvious conversation. The answer here is DEFINITELY not to stand still. So to just say "the lack of plausible solutions" is an argument someone makes when they themselves have no solution. We on the other hand are providing one. We used your solution and it hasn't worked. It's time to try the other sides solution....
Listening to it on the radio took me right back to a very bad day in Iraq. It was definitely automatic fire and probably small caliber.
Trigger crank is the other thing I saw as a possibility. Do a YouTube on that and it is clear you can get a ton of rounds off in a short amount of time.
