About the game.....why doesn’t the GOP want to get the FBI involved? Why won’t Kavanaugh take a lie detector test like she did? That would be a step in clearing things up quickly.
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They should probably both have an opportunity to watch the other testify (from outside the chamber) and respond under oath.
Avoiding an Anita Hill situation where Thomas got to testify both before and after Hill and frame the entire narrative is probably what Ford's lawyers are trying to avoid.
I don’t see her testifying Thursday. I believe she’s being used to delay.
I’ll happily admit it if I’m wrong.
Boy, that article sure reeks of cover-up -- by Chua. Guess she's got to protect her daughter, who might not have the right look but Kavanaugh still accepted as a favor. Sucks for the daughter who's probably completely qualified otherwise.
Thing is, nothing here says Kavanaugh mistreated his proteges. He may just like being surrounded by aesthetically pleasing Mona Lisas.
McConnell's infamous quote (see below) has been percolating in my mind for a couple of days. In essence, he's the opposite of a statesman, all politics, no policy. Ideally, what we need are politicians who strive to be all about policy. McConnell is the devil incarnate for a democratic republic, the fastest path to the destruction of our American experiment. He's teaching all his colleagues to devalue policy. Witness their abandonment of budget and debt restraint, morals, ethics, you name it.
Looks like the Judiciary Committee countered with Wednesday and also responded to some of her requests.
What the committee gave up was very little. The clause that they need a response by close of business today still stands. There was no word on a subpoena...but I've read that confirmation hearing rules do not permit witnesses to be subpoenaed (don't know if that is true or how they could force compliance).
Anyway, bottom line is McConnell has one priority -- maintaining his position as the Senate majority leader and has decided that he needs to push Kavanaugh through asap to achieve that. That will happen unless Ford makes such a good impression (likely) and Kavanaugh makes such a bad one (unlikely because he'll go full robotic) that both GOP women flip and the Dems go party line. My sense is that Kava won't make a bad enough impression to convince Ms. Maine, who's pretty stiff.
So get used to it. It's on to November 6.
Someone needs to post pictures of all Kavanuagh’s female clerks to prove they look like models. Sounds highly dubious to me that Yale churns out model beautiful lawyers at a high rate. How many lawyers do you know that look like models of either sex? Until I see the pictures, I’ll remain skeptical of this article which appears to be based on an anonymous gossip.
Are the lawyers posting here all like male models? I’ve met a couple of you, and I’d say no.
Models for the New Balance catalog.Someone needs to post pictures of all Kavanuagh’s female clerks to prove they look like models. Sounds highly dubious to me that Yale churns out model beautiful lawyers at a high rate. How many lawyers do you know that look like models of either sex? Until I see the pictures, I’ll remain skeptical of this article which appears to be based on an anonymous gossip.
Are the lawyers posting here all like male models? I’ve met a couple of you, and I’d say no.
ALL the claims coming from the left i this matter are based on anonymous gossip. No fact - not a single one other than Dr. Ford's identity - bearing on this matter has been corroborated nor proven. Neither has been a single word from any witness supporting her claim. A "friend" who had made a broad statement on Wednesday has now recanted her prior statement. Even Senator Feinstein has said for publication that she doesn't know if the claim is true. No person other than the Professor has come forward to vouch for any part of this claim being true. It is an attack on the prerogatives of elected Presidents acting under the specific language of the Constitution and on the Senate doing its duty over the saboteurs in the Democratic Caucus and Party - and their owners.Someone needs to post pictures of all Kavanuagh’s female clerks to prove they look like models. Sounds highly dubious to me that Yale churns out model beautiful lawyers at a high rate. How many lawyers do you know that look like models of either sex? Until I see the pictures, I’ll remain skeptical of this article which appears to be based on an anonymous gossip.
Are the lawyers posting here all like male models? I’ve met a couple of you, and I’d say no.
Gee, if only the Federal government had a Bureau that could Investigate this. You know, because I'm sure everyone would like to know the truth.
Oh well, I guess we may have a person who may possibly be a sexual assaulter and outright liar on the SC. He'll fit right in with his boss.
Strength and weakness are learned traits. Many are teaching weakness by PC, stalling and gamesmanship. Strength is looking your aggressor in the eye, making your clam, gathering backup and getting justice for yourself and more importantly, for any furture victims. The weakness crowd has zero interest in future victims, only the political points they can make at their own sustituants expense.... which is the definition of weakness.
Give my kind the proof, 10 minutes after, 10 days after, even ...... 10 months after and we’ll be by your side. After that, you are not worth my time. I’d you don’t care, why should I?
I do not remember this type of comment in the Catholic Priest or MSU trainer threads. In both cases years went by.
Let there be zero doubt, it applies to ALL of those. I am a consistent asshole I promise. Would you like for me to post my zero forgiveness thoughts on those managment concepts? It Would actually be GD short!
Let's just say, for shiggles, that Ford got it completely right:
Are you saying that her weakness with waiting to report it would make you okay with BK on the SC...because that's the way I am reading it?
No. I can understand and forget that she dismissed it 3 times. But now is the 4th try, with the entire world ready to be her warrior or her hang man. No more little girl BS. She and her handlers are holding the US government hostage. Shit or getnoff the pot forever. If he did it and you can prove it, I’m with ya. If you’ve done this as a 36 yr attention whore, you owe me big time. I honestly have zero either way to this point, but with strke 1,2,3 You ( she) better bring it this time. Otherwise, her story will forever be shit. And I will put one more memory in about a woman that won’t accept the help offered, while holding the world captive.
Grassley stated a short while ago that unless the committee terms were accepted by 10pm that the committee would hold a vote on Kavanaugh on Monday.
She doesn’t have to prove anything. Kavanaugh’s the one that wants to be a Supreme. Her input is for her experience that the committee can weigh in their decision. I will say the committee is at least giving her an opportunity to speak but it’s coming off like they aren’t going to take seriously anthing she says either-a real horse and pony show.
And the last (Maybe) thing on this is.... Whether it goes her (cough her handlers cough) way or not. As far as I am concerned, it is now her sole purpose in life to spread the word to all young women of the world, if anything like this happens to them, go directly to the officials, police, teacher, cousin, aunt, or freakin bus driver and FORCE them to take action. No longer can anyone scream foul while playing the victim that won't force the solution. Hell just keep CNN on their speed dial if that is what it takes.
The way it is being handled is a constant keeping the world held hostage because only 1 out of 1000 boys ever have to deal with it. make 1 out of every guilty boy deal with it. Then the damn problem is solved quick fast and in a damn hurry.
Now please everyone put me on ignore, put me in perpetual time out. But this decades old mamsy pamsy BS has to stop and only the victoms are the true steak holders. I'm sick of it being held over "my head" only because the victims won't force justice.
It's absolutely fascinating that you still think you're presenting some kind of objective take on this.
hmmm I disagree, she does have to "prove it". The very sad part for her is that any possible evidence was gone 36 yrs ago. anyting left is just hearsay and one side wanting to hear and one side NOT wanting to hear. If she doesn't have to prove it now, and then he is held up for 1 second (its already been a week) then he is getting hosed. Tomorrow you will be hosed, then me and rock and........
Yes it is a dog an pony show, but if she made whom ever pay 36 yrs ago, we wouldn't be wasteing the worlds Effing time right now. I am not apologizing, but her holding this back is stopping my government from it job. put up or shut up. No one should have this power from claiming a "weakness" to get justice for themselves.
Democrats have a golden opportunity
to take over politics by simply deciding to stop playing politics and taking the high road. On everything. The country is ripe for the taking. I don't believe the Republicans could recover for at least a decade. Alas...
to take over politics by simply deciding to stop playing politics and taking the high road. On everything. The country is ripe for the taking. I don't believe the Republicans could recover for at least a decade. Alas...
Three (nine?) screen names later, and you're still convinced that the Democrats' best political path is whatever would appeal to you personally.
I don't think my point is to be objective. Rather quiet subjective. Obective BS has gotten us 14,000+ views on one little piss ant message board, because of her not nailing this crap down 36 years ago and now holding the freaking senate hostage. I claim to hold every one responsible to stop these actions. Everyone is accountable. You see something, act. Me, I'll act. lets teach. And for the very specific record, out loud, I am not holding Ford responsible for this at all. Everyone has been playing this crap letting is slowly, further and further spiral down. Instead of forcing action. I want the guilty punished and the false accusers chastised.
What do I know about politics, but it seems unwise for Republicans to leave unexploded ordnance laying around.
I guess I wasn't clear enough. I'm not talking about pragmatics, I'm talking about taking the high road a la Michelle Obama. Remember her speech? "When they go low, we go high..." I think the preponderance of Americans are sick and tired of politicians going low and my hunch is the majority of Republican politicians don't know how to go high in any sincere or genuine manner.
No, the preponderance of Americans claim they are sick and tired of politicians going low. Polling and voter behavior suggests Americans are wrong about what they are actually sick and tired of. Politicians don't act like assholes during elections because it doesn't work.
Negative campaigning is going low. It's what assholes do. It's common every election cycle. Talk about the issues, let the other guy go low.
Good move by Ford, postponing til Thursday.
I would want more time to get my "story" straight too.
Obama took the high road. Last super-majority we've seen in Congress, if I"m not mistaken. Got us Obamacare. That's a counter-example. Obama had vast crowds chanting, "Yes we can!!!" Trump had them chanting, "Lock her up!!!" See the difference?
Then again, I'm not even talking about what has worked in the past. You're talking about what worked pre-Trump, pre-#MeToo, and pre-Kavanaugh. I'm talking about a civilized future.
I get it, I suppose, Goat, You're trying to paint my optimism for humanity as unrealistic (in addition to trying to de-humanize me by jumping on the stollcpa and mjvcaj handle-bandwagon). Fine, but so far your refutations have missed the mark because you don't really understand fully my position. My impression is, you're not interested in understanding such a position. You're interested in target practice. I'll help you out.
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I sure wouldn't use Obamacare as anything to gloat aboutObama took the high road. Last super-majority we've seen in Congress, if I"m not mistaken. Got us Obamacare. That's a counter-example. Obama had vast crowds chanting, "Yes we can!!!" Trump had them chanting, "Lock her up!!!" See the difference?
Then again, I'm not even talking about what has worked in the past. You're talking about what worked pre-Trump, pre-#MeToo, and pre-Kavanaugh. I'm talking about a civilized future.
I get it, I suppose, Goat, You're trying to paint my optimism for humanity as unrealistic (in addition to trying to de-humanize me by jumping on the stollcpa and mjvcaj handle-bandwagon). Fine, but so far your refutations have missed the mark because you don't really understand fully my position. My impression is, you're not interested in understanding such a position. You're interested in target practice. I'll help you out.
Kavanaugh friend and previous supporter now advises him to withdraw his name. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/kavanaugh-confirmation/571021/
If Kavanaugh were to ask my advice today—and to be clear, he hasn’t done so—I would tell him he almost certainly should have his nomination withdrawn. The circumstances in which he should fight this out are, in my view, extremely limited. I would advise him against letting Senate Republicans ram his nomination through in a fashion that will forever attach an asterisk to his service on the Supreme Court. Assuming she is not impugning him maliciously, Kavanaugh’s accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, deserves better than that. The Court deserves better than that. And Kavanaugh himself, if he is telling the truth about his conduct in high school, deserves better than to be confirmed under circumstances which tens of millions of people will regard, with good reason, as tainted.
Let’s start with a blunt reality: The sum of the allegations against Kavanaugh is, if true, disqualifying. On both left and right, commentators have suggested that the assault allegation alone is not grounds for Kavanaugh’s rejection—even if true. Let’s leave for another day the question of whether that’s right. The allegation does not present on its own. Kavanaugh has categorically denied the incident took place. That means that if it did take place, he is either lying about it now or, short of that, perhaps has no memory of the matter. The former is certainly disqualifying. The latter, even if Kavanaugh’s memory is genuinely and honestly impaired and he actually believes the incident never took place, cannot be distinguished publicly from the former. Though Kavanaugh has been careful not to slime Ford, his denial of the incident impugns her anyway, which is legitimate if his denial is accurate. It will not do, however, to impeach her credibility wrongly and then ask for confirmation to the highest court in the land because the false denial was not intentionally false. If the allegations are true, Kavanaugh cannot be confirmed.
Kavanaugh is an excellent lawyer. He knew, I’m sure, when he issued his categorical denial that he was leaving himself no wiggle room. Perhaps he intended the move as a show of strength, a hint that he will rebut Ford’s allegations persuasively when given the chance to speak. Whatever the motivation, the move locks him in. The only plausible defense now for him is self-exculpation on the facts.
And in this endeavor, Kavanaugh himself bears the burden of proof. This sounds like unjust ground to stake out in a society in which the accused is innocent until proven guilty. But in practical terms, Kavanaugh is the one who has to persuade the marginal senator to vote for him. He is the one who has to give Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski enough confidence in him that they can vote to confirm believing they can defend their actions to a legion of angry voters. It is he, not Ford, who needs to count to 50.
Let’s start with a blunt reality: The sum of the allegations against Kavanaugh is, if true, disqualifying. On both left and right, commentators have suggested that the assault allegation alone is not grounds for Kavanaugh’s rejection—even if true. Let’s leave for another day the question of whether that’s right. The allegation does not present on its own. Kavanaugh has categorically denied the incident took place. That means that if it did take place, he is either lying about it now or, short of that, perhaps has no memory of the matter. The former is certainly disqualifying. The latter, even if Kavanaugh’s memory is genuinely and honestly impaired and he actually believes the incident never took place, cannot be distinguished publicly from the former. Though Kavanaugh has been careful not to slime Ford, his denial of the incident impugns her anyway, which is legitimate if his denial is accurate. It will not do, however, to impeach her credibility wrongly and then ask for confirmation to the highest court in the land because the false denial was not intentionally false. If the allegations are true, Kavanaugh cannot be confirmed.
Kavanaugh is an excellent lawyer. He knew, I’m sure, when he issued his categorical denial that he was leaving himself no wiggle room. Perhaps he intended the move as a show of strength, a hint that he will rebut Ford’s allegations persuasively when given the chance to speak. Whatever the motivation, the move locks him in. The only plausible defense now for him is self-exculpation on the facts.
And in this endeavor, Kavanaugh himself bears the burden of proof. This sounds like unjust ground to stake out in a society in which the accused is innocent until proven guilty. But in practical terms, Kavanaugh is the one who has to persuade the marginal senator to vote for him. He is the one who has to give Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski enough confidence in him that they can vote to confirm believing they can defend their actions to a legion of angry voters. It is he, not Ford, who needs to count to 50.
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