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Interesting article. While we know what the motivation would be, the character traits involved are telling too. Both the Duke and Virginia cases had plenty of tells.
Interesting article. While we know what the motivation would be, the character traits involved are telling too. Both the Duke and Virginia cases had plenty of tells.
Poppy-cock. That all assumes that he is guilty. An accusation should not lead to outrage unless we know he really did it. And to this point, IMO, the accusation is lacking in quite a bit of meat. We will see if the accuser has anything more to offer, if she does not, then why should I be more inclined to believe her over him?
As mentioned multiple times, she mentioned it to her therapist years ago, and she passed a lie detector test. That’s two. What’s his evidence?
Reading Comprehension -101. No assumptions of guilt made. Re-read. Re-post something sequitor. You missed the entire point, or should I say thrust, of the opinion piece.
He hasn’t been in this thread much, except for your remark that the Dems had no room to talk about moral values. And they do. Donald Trump is yours, not the Dems. He will go down in history as a Republican and a stain on their history, their party, and this country.
Merrick Garland molested me behind a McDonald's in 1974. I am willing to go on TV and talk about it, but only when he is again up for confirmation.
Yes it is.
You know what else is depressing? Being 14-18 years old, hormones raging while your brain is not yet fully developed, and looking at a lifetime of accusations if you do something that offends someone that you have no idea how to understand.
I really feel for teen-age boys and young men these days . . . .
Perfect. We'll put you on TV and let you testify under oath . . . subject of course to any consequences for perjury and/or defamation . . . .
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Hey, if she is willing to testify under oath, that’s enough proof for me. She is telling the truth!
She mentioned it in 2012, 30 years after the incident was alleged to have occurred in couples therapy at a time when Kavanaugh was said to be on a short list of Supreme Court candidates. And lie detector tests are known to be inaccurate, that is why they are inadmissible in court.
He does not have any evidence yet. Kind of hard to defend yourself against an allegation 30+ years after the fact when the accuser won't even give an accurate timeframe or place where the incident occurred. Just because women have been victims of men in the past does not mean that this particular woman was a victim of this particular man. Think of any important male in your life, would you just accept an accusation like this on its face or would you want more?
If the Me Too movement is going to be that an accusation is as good as being found guilty in public opinion then count me out. It is a bull shit standard. The same kind of bull shit standard that says that if a girl and guy are both drunk and hook up and she regrets it the next day that the guy committed assault. That is not equality, it is creating a special class for women.
As a parent of 4 sons, it is about to the point where the best advice to them is to take a Go Pro on every date. That is a bit tongue in cheek but people like you would convict people like them based on nothing but an accusation. And girls do lie. See Duke and see Virginia.
I need more proof than just the girls statement, sorry.
In all seriousness, Ford needs to be called to testify before Congress, and Kavanaugh given his chance to rebut.
If she's not willing to do that, or press charges, then full speed ahead with the nomination.
What can really be done otherwise? We sink the nomination based on this lady's poor memory and/or lies?
If she's not willing to do that, or press charges, then full speed ahead with the nomination.
What can really be done otherwise? We sink the nomination based on this lady's poor memory and/or lies?
Yes, I want a hearing. Let's get this out there, they both appear willing to talk, let's see what they have to say.
Congress is full of children. Adults need to handle matters this serious. Congress should hire outside counsel to conduct the questioning or the hearing will end up being little more than a three ring circus. Someone tweeted this earlier and I complete agree.
Is not part of that because alcohol was frequently used to try to get women into a state they would not, or could not, say no?
White males only? You're not concerned about Bill Clinton, are you?
Seriously, why do you conclude white males only? There's plenty of diversity in the allegations . . . Clinton, Cosby, Weinstein, Thomas, Moonves . . . all prior to Kavanaugh.
^^^^ ee cummings would agree with this post. ^^^^
Alternatively, another way to say it is that alcohol would be frequently used to obtain a young woman's assent . . . .
I’m really confused on your position on this. And again, I’m not saying her accusations are true. But don’t you think most boys, and I’m certain your sons, know that it is NOT ok to push a woman into a room, lock the door, put their hand over her mouth, and force themselves on her? There is no ambiguity here. I can see many situations where boys might be confused. If a girl is sending mixed signals, if they are making out , if she is flirting with him, and a million more. I get that. I get that if a girl starts with a guy and then says stop. I absolutely get all of those things. But if, emphasis on if, her statement is true, do you really think that’s something that is hard for guys to understand is wrong? PS....girls have raging hormones too!
For some, yeah. Alcohol is known to be a social lubricant. However, unless the guy is holding her down and pouring it down her throat, or has drugged her, then does she not have some responsibility for her state of mind? If they have both done that to themselves and both consent in that frame of mind, why should the guy be held to a higher standard for his state of mind than the girl after the fact?
FWIW, in my late teens and early 20's, you did not have to force the girls into drinking. They are just as big of partiers as the guys and in some instances, bigger.
Maybe you should read the article I posted on the Duke, Virginia case and profile of women who lie about rape. And there’s are lots of reasons women don’t mention it to anyone. Ever.
As a parent of one son and one daughter, I don't see any cause for young men to be worried. The only assault on strong manhood comes from people who think that strong, independent, empowered women are a threat.
It’s an indication, know it’s not always reliable, but it’s one piece of a puzzle.
Why? It's not the Gordian Knot. If the girl doesn't like you and doesn't want you to touch her, don't touch her. It's that simple.
I can vouch for that. No one has to force girls to drink. But I do think the boy should make sure that the girl is sober enough to give consent. That is piece number one of sex education on college campus these days. And a huge way to make sure you aren’t going to get accused of something the next day.
Strong, independent women are not a threat. I married one. Having a standard where an unstable person can really screw things up for you based on nothing more than an accusation is quite another story.
I just want to make sure that in our desire to make sure guys who do this are properly dealt with, that we don't throw out due process as well. Often the accusation makes the big splash, the accused gets slimed, and the retraction is buried several years after the fact.
Which one has been seeing a psychiatrist? Kavanaugh or Ford. The woman is mentally unstable.
And how does one decide if another is sober enough? And does that not get harder if the boy is also intoxicated. If they are both going at it, is she not guilty of the same thing as him the next day if he decides that she is not as cute without the beer goggles? Or if he has a girlfriend and realizes, "crap, I cheated...she must have taken advantage of me."
I am cool with the new rules as long as they are equally applied.
That's OK. I've been observing the effects of the feminist movement for a few decades now and have concluded that in many ways the feminist movement is spot on, but highly incomplete because it doesn't recognize that as women's roles change there are concomitant changes that should become available for men . . . instead women seem to want to change things for themselves while keeping men in their traditional roles.
To fully understand where I'm coming from would take at least an extended conversation . . . maybe several.
Different hormones . . . .
This is why it should have been Coney Barrett. Much less susceptible to smear campaigns, and we wouldn't have had to worry about Democrats claiming she hates women.
I don’t really care what you think. This a political hit job and wrong.
Why's that? Honestly, there is nothing wrong with believing that two people should be held to the same standard no matter what sex they are. I provided examples on why a guy may regret what he drunkenly did the night before. It is the same type of regrets about drunkenly hooking up with a guy that a girl may have. I am not talking about a situation where one forces themselves on the other. I am talking about where both are consenting at the time while drunk and then one changing their mind after they sober up.
You worry about your kids and I will worry about mine.
And oh yeah, **** you.
They're both testifying Monday, which is good.
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