He represents all Republicans who approve of him, which is what, about 80% or more?
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A used car salesman? You must have a high opinion of our so-called president!
Call BS all you want, but you’ll be wrong. There is zero doubt, ZERO, that people remember events differently. Often to the point it doesn’t even sound like the same event. Are you seriously disagreeing with that? Have you ever heard of the Innocence Project? Can’t do the fancy link think on my phone for some reason: https://www.innocenceproject.org/
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If it was indeed attempted rape, pretty sure she’d remember it. Although I know sometimes painful memories are suppressed.
And I bet you’d remember if you tried to rape someone too. This isn’t about a teenage make out session. How dismissive .
Aloha, forget about party affilitions for a moment -- between a drunk guy lying about a attempted rape and a girl/woman accusing someone of a rape, my money's on the woman being more likely to be telling the truth, every time and twice on Sunday.
Wait, what?
He's yours. Deal with it.
They misspelled RINO. Hate it when that happens.
Of course people remember things differently, just as they perceive things differently. But that's a strawman in this discussion. Stop using sophistry, Aloha. Or at least stop thinking others don't see right through it. Try making an argument that has some relevance to the topic being discussed.
The exact definition of politicizing the event. Wait until the perfect time to disclose the crime. Really tells me all I need to know about your true feelings of the “victim”
Sophistry? More BS.Of course people remember things differently, just as they perceive things differently. But that's a strawman in this discussion. Stop using sophistry, Aloha. Or at least stop thinking others don't see right through it. Try making an argument that has some relevance to the topic being discussed.
You’re not even being fair in your post - you assume he’s lying and she’s telling the truth (or that her memory is accurate 30 years later). Step back from party affiliations yourself.
When this "news" broke out, I was thinking, "he was just a red-blooded teenager, and it would be natural that he could've been horny and attempted to do something with the girl in question, especially with a stomach-full of alcohol. The keyword here is "attempted." Twenty years later, it would and should not amount to much. That was my original thought, and that was the reason why I did not jump into the discussion.
Now that he is vehemently denying the affair, if the truth comes out that the case actually happened, I have to conclude that he really is a rat and should not be approved for the position he is seeking. But since the senate is controlled by the Republicans, my money is on the approval.
Now that he is vehemently denying the affair, if the truth comes out that the case actually happened, I have to conclude that he really is a rat and should not be approved for the position he is seeking. But since the senate is controlled by the Republicans, my money is on the approval.
Tells me all I need to know about your understanding of women who have experienced sexual assault. And there’s a whole bunch of you in this thread. I sure hope you never have anyone close to you experience it. You might then develop a little more empathy.
I have plenty of empathy for victims. What I don’t accept is releasing the information only when it becomes politically convienent, some 35 years later.
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Time to move to the gold teesI'm not outraged. I've seen nothing in this process that I didn't fully expect so why would I be outraged?
I am outraged about the state of my golf swing. I was a single digit handicap so I didn't expect to shoot in the 90s like I have been the last couple years. That really outrages me.
I need to take a couple lessons and the time to practice. I can get back to single digits even without the length I had 10 years ago. I think.
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I almost shot my first 70s round the other day until I tripled 18. Took a lot of beer for me to get over that.
Breaking 80 the first time is a psychological hurdle. Was close many times, but managed to screw it up,and then broke through with a 77. I did it the next week too. I’ve done the 70s more times than I can count, but I haven’t done it since 2008. I only have myself to blame, it takes practice to be single digit and I don’t.
I've given up golf since I'm (a) old and (b) have a bum back. But when I did still golf, breaking 100 meant either (a) I had my best day ever, or (b) I cheated. Assuming that rolling the ball in the rough and liberal use of foot wedges constitutes cheating.
Politically convenient? Put yourself in her situation.
If you were her, would you publicize such a shameful experience to your friends, boyfriend/husband, or especially strangers? I certainly would not.
However, if you feel that, again assuming that you were her, and you feel that Mr. K were such a scumbag in his youth, would you just sit there, laughing at the suckers (American citizens), and let the scumbag st on the highest court in America? I know I wouldn't, but I am not you.
No, I am not claiming that Mr K is a scumbag. In fact, I have no idea what kind of person he is. I just used it as a place holder from the assumed point of view of the lady.
There is nothing in this woman's statement that merits taking it seriously and a damned sight that fairly screams that it is a political hit. This nomination needs to go ahead on schedule.
This revelation can be characterized in a number of ways, but one thing looks to be certain: it's making a difference:
Flake opposes quick vote on Kavanaugh, putting confirmation in doubt
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/16/kavanaugh-allegation-anonymous-republicans-825855
Flake opposes quick vote on Kavanaugh, putting confirmation in doubt
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/16/kavanaugh-allegation-anonymous-republicans-825855
Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court hit a serious roadblock Sunday night, as GOP Senate Judiciary Committee member Jeff Flake said he is uncomfortable voting to advance Kavanaugh's nomination later this week after the nominee's sexual assault accuser went public.
Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who is not a member of the committee but whose vote is critical to Kavanaugh's confirmation, similarly said late Sunday that the committee should pause.
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Republicans are now left wondering whether Grassley will move forward with a committee vote this week without hearing testimony from Ford. And it is still unclear if undecided moderate Collins or fellow moderate Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) will support Kavanaugh, though GOP leaders have been supremely confident in his confirmation prospects until Sunday.
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A lawyer close to the White House said the nomination will not be withdrawn.
“No way, not even a hint of it,” the lawyer said. “If anything, it’s the opposite. If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried. We can all be accused of something.”
Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who is not a member of the committee but whose vote is critical to Kavanaugh's confirmation, similarly said late Sunday that the committee should pause.
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Republicans are now left wondering whether Grassley will move forward with a committee vote this week without hearing testimony from Ford. And it is still unclear if undecided moderate Collins or fellow moderate Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) will support Kavanaugh, though GOP leaders have been supremely confident in his confirmation prospects until Sunday.
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A lawyer close to the White House said the nomination will not be withdrawn.
“No way, not even a hint of it,” the lawyer said. “If anything, it’s the opposite. If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried. We can all be accused of something.”
I think I’d be more receptive to her version of the events...or the event in general...if she’d have mentioned it to even one person at the time as opposed to a memory brought out via therapy 30 years later. I just find it difficult to accept that such a traumatic experience occurred and a teenage girl never mentioned it to a soul for 30 years. Not even a friend? I don’t think that being skeptcal about this is out of line.
You have zero understanding if you don’t understand that. Imagine that, someone doesn’t want their sexual abuser to be a Supreme Court Justice. She told people about it at the time and got therapy for it. Kind of like how many women kept quiet about Trump until they found out that people would actually vote for a slimeball like him. Silly women, thinking sexual abuse allegations from 19 women would make people not vote for him.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/blasey-ford-kavanaugh-letter-feinstein/index.html
Here’s her letter. Sure doesn’t look like a makeout session gone bad. According to her, she was going to the bathroom and the two guys pushed her into a room and locked the door.
Here’s her letter. Sure doesn’t look like a makeout session gone bad. According to her, she was going to the bathroom and the two guys pushed her into a room and locked the door.
Who did she tell about it at the time? Where are their statements? Did I miss something? If so, I’ll gladly change my opinion.
Chuck Grassley has said the vote will go ahead on schedule. Losing Flake's vote in committee is pretty meaningless as it will result in a tie vote and the nomination will proceed to the floor. But it is a warning sign that the rest of the moderate caucus might band together to derail the nomination.
According to the letter it wasn't the two guys who pushed her into the room it was Kavanaugh.
How many of us have absolutely denied those stupid things as we are up for the Supreme Court?
If it were simply "stupid", as you say, Kavanaugh could confess and apologize. Somehow I don't think that would work and still allow Kavanaugh sufficient support to get on the Supreme Court. Actually, Trump would probably pull the nomination in that event--he doesn't like people who confess and apologize. He sees it as a sign of weakness.
I never tried to rape a girl in high school, but that's just me.
Did you try to rape someone? Fortunately, I didn’t know anyone like that. People getting stupid drunk? Of course. Trying to rape someone? Nah.... You?
I thought I saw that , but I may be wrong. I’ll look. But the lie detector test? Wonder if Kavanaugh would consent to one?
Not vouching for David Frum, but it's not just "libs" who think stuff like this merits some consideration.
And now her address and phone number has been released. Her life will be a living hell. Wonder why women don’t come forward? Wonder why she wanted to remain anonymous?
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