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[Shirtsandskins]

Myles was included in Kentucky's numbers.

The number of 3.4.5 star players from the home state are the same.

Have a nice evening. Your vitriole is noted. You hate when a good point is made and will obsess on items you can't comprehend to deflect.

IU has as many three, four and five star players on its roster , from the home state, as any of the other schools identified. The recruiting model CTC is using mirrors those of the schools that have been successful in the NCAA tournament. (Champions).

The fact that Indiana kids aren't on the roster isn't for a lack of attention. The upcoming class es of 17 and 18 are getting plenty of recruiting attention.

A reasonable mind would understand but we know you're not reasonable. Go to bed.
U


Your response was not unexpected. You want to have Indiana kids. This staff is recruiting Indiana as hard as anyone else. If we don't get those kids, your point will be made about not having an advantage. The point that those other schools have locked down the talent in their states wasn't correct. With respect to the post about CTC having NEVER been established in Indiana in eight years, the poster admitted he was incorrect in that statement and there was criticism of using rosters that were five and six years old. The information wasn't designed to cherry pick, it wasn't designed as excuses. It was done to shine a light on the fact that the top programs are recruiting nationally. Whether it's done by choice or not isn't really a factor.

There have been a number of times that people have said that in order to have consistent success, the level of talent needs to be upgraded. That's what the Indiana coaching staff is attempting to do. Please identify another time when IU basketball has been this strong with this many top 6 candidates.

As far as not recruiting Indiana well, that's a matter of perspective and we will probably disagree until there is a definition of the term well.

Thanks for your input. Have a nice day.

LOL

We have the same amount of in state kids yet our state out pruduces theirs. Don't you think that if those schools had as many local options they'd likely have more local players than IU ...how do you not see the disconnect

Flawed data leads to flawed conclusions

 

[TheSpa]

Myles was included in Kentucky's numbers.

The number of 3.4.5 star players from the home state are the same.

Have a nice evening. Your vitriole is noted. You hate when a good point is made and will obsess on items you can't comprehend to deflect.

IU has as many three, four and five star players on its roster , from the home state, as any of the other schools identified. The recruiting model CTC is using mirrors those of the schools that have been successful in the NCAA tournament. (Champions).

The fact that Indiana kids aren't on the roster isn't for a lack of attention. The upcoming class es of 17 and 18 are getting plenty of recruiting attention.

A reasonable mind would understand but we know you're not reasonable. Go to bed.
U


Your response was not unexpected. You want to have Indiana kids. This staff is recruiting Indiana as hard as anyone else. If we don't get those kids, your point will be made about not having an advantage. The point that those other schools have locked down the talent in their states wasn't correct. With respect to the post about CTC having NEVER been established in Indiana in eight years, the poster admitted he was incorrect in that statement and there was criticism of using rosters that were five and six years old. The information wasn't designed to cherry pick, it wasn't designed as excuses. It was done to shine a light on the fact that the top programs are recruiting nationally. Whether it's done by choice or not isn't really a factor.

There have been a number of times that people have said that in order to have consistent success, the level of talent needs to be upgraded. That's what the Indiana coaching staff is attempting to do. Please identify another time when IU basketball has been this strong with this many top 6 candidates.

As far as not recruiting Indiana well, that's a matter of perspective and we will probably disagree until there is a definition of the term well.

Thanks for your input. Have a nice day.

If Crean is using a recruiting model that's been successful in the NCAA (champions), why do you think he's failed to attain the results comparable to other schools with similar philosophies (according to you)?

 

[TeeJay88]

LOL

We have the same amount of in state kids yet our state out pruduces theirs if those schools had as many local options they'd likely have more than IU ...how do you not see the disconnect

Flawed data leads to flawed conclusions

I have not seen evidence that Indiana has outproduced North Carolina or Michigan the last four years. We have with respect to Kentucky and Kansas. The position that those schools come into Indiana to glean talent is unsupported.

Should you care to go player by player in comparison of who was available vs who we recruited at that position, I'd be happy to engage in that discussion. Example, Brunk vs Davis, Swanigan vs Bryant etc. Some players simply were not coming to IU as it has been in the past.

 

[TeeJay88]

If Crean is using a recruiting model that's been successful in the NCAA (champions), why do you think he's failed to attain the results comparable to other schools with similar philosophies (according to you)?

He hasn't been using it as long, the IU program wasn't relevant the previous decade prior to his arrival, those other coaches are already established as elite, CTC is not.

 

[TheSpa]

He hasn't been using it as long, the IU program wasn't relevant the previous decade prior to his arrival, those other coaches are already established as elite, CTC is not.

Always an excuse . . .

 

[Shirtsandskins]

I have not seen evidence that Indiana has outproduced North Carolina or Michigan the last four years. We have with respect to Kentucky and Kansas. The position that those schools come into Indiana to glean talent is unsupported.

Should you care to go player by player in comparison of who was available vs who we recruited at that position, I'd be happy to engage in that discussion. Example, Brunk vs Davis, Swanigan vs Bryant etc. Some players simply were not coming to IU as it has been in the past.

So now you want to cherry pick individual players? You need to stop

 

[TeeJay88]

Always an excuse . . .

You asked for an explanation, I gave one. If you choose to view the answer as I see it as excuses, why ask for an explanation in the first place? It would seem as though ANY discussion of this subject, that doesn't fit your idology, will be summarily dismissed. Why even participate if that's your MO?

 

[TheSpa]

You asked for an explanation, I gave one. If you choose to view the answer as I see it as excuses, why ask for an explanation in the first place? It would seem as though ANY discussion of this subject, that doesn't fit your idology, will be summarily dismissed. Why even participate if that's your MO?

Yes, I asked for an explanation, which you didn't provide. Unfortunately but very typically, you offered excuses. Again. If you want to continue to participate in the discussion, wouldn't it make sense that you actually provide reasoned support, rather than empty excuses, for your position? Absent that, it's easy to be dismissive of the continual doses of cotton candy that you're feeding us.

 

[Shirtsandskins]

He hasn't been using it as long, the IU program wasn't relevant the previous decade prior to his arrival, those other coaches are already established as elite, CTC is not.

17 years as a HC and he's not established yet...,he needs more time

You really, really need to stop

 

[TeeJay88]

Yes, I asked for an explanation, which you didn't provide. Unfortunately but very typically, you offered excuses. Again. If you want to continue to participate in the discussion, wouldn't it make sense that you actually provide reasoned support, rather than empty excuses, for your position? Absent that, it's easy to be dismissive of the continual doses of cotton candy that you're feeding us.

The responses were self explanatory. Your responses are simply confrontational. Nice work. It serves zero purpose in dialogue.

 

[TeeJay88]

17 years as a HC and he's not established yet...,he needs more time

You really, really need to stop

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[Shirtsandskins]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Yes good idea, sleep it off. Today was not your best day

 

[IU Scott]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Might as well stop trying to change their minds because it is not happening. If you give them a legitimate reason it will always be an excuse just because they don't agree with you.

 

[TeeJay88]

So now you want to cherry pick individual players? You need to stop

You listed the four and five stars from Indiana, I offered to go player by player in discussion and gave examples of how that might progress. As usual, you jump the gun without considering the whole post.

It's hilarious when you accuse others of ironic or hypocritical posting when you're so willing to respond to the poster and not the post.

 

[TheSpa]

The responses were self explanatory. Your responses are simply confrontational. Nice work. It serves zero purpose in dialogue.

Yes, they were self-explanatory, but they were completely lacking in depth. They're nothing but empty excuses meant to explain away the sub par results attained by a veteran coach at a marquee program. You've offered no substance.

 

[Shirtsandskins]

You listed the four and five stars from Indiana, I offered to go player by player in discussion and gave examples of how that might progress. As usual, you jump the gun without considering the whole post.

It's hilarious when you accuse others of ironic or hypocritical posting when you're so willing to respond to the poster and not the post.

You need to stop, you're looking more and more foolish. This was a flawed premise with flawed data and a flawed conclusion.....Cherry picking and insults/mocking aren't going to change that

 

[TheSpa]

Might as well stop trying to change their minds because it is not happening. If you give them a legitimate reason it will always be an excuse just because they don't agree with you.

A legitimate reason needs to be provided, however.

 

[Shirtsandskins]

Might as well stop trying to change their minds because it is not happening. If you give them a legitimate reason it will always be an excuse just because they don't agree with you.

First He needs to give a legitimate reason for flying around the country to get lesser players than the ones in IUs backyard

 

[tru123dt]

Yes, all sense of a reasonable debate has evaporated into the air. I cannot decipher their key points of their argument any longer. It is only attack the poster who they disagree with even if it is irrational. Are they seriously trying to argue recruiting for Coach Crean is a weakness?

 

[TheSpa]

Yes, all sense of a reasonable debate has evaporated into the air. I cannot decipher their key points of their argument any longer. It is only attack the poster who they disagree with even if it is irrational. Are they seriously trying to argue recruiting for Coach Crean is a weakness?

Are you seriously trying to argue that it's a strength given the high number of transfers, underperformers, and annual significant roster turnover? Those are facts that you and others continually avoid.

 

[IU Scott]

First He needs to give a legitimate reason for flying around the country to get lesser players than the ones in IUs backyard

It has been given

First He needs to give a legitimate reason for flying around the country to get lesser players than the ones in IUs backyard

it has been given and one of the reasons it is harder to get in-state players today is that the recruiting landscape has totally changed. When we dominated in the 80's it was easier to recruit the local players because less coaches saw those players. With summer basketball and every basketball game available on tv today the players are able to see every team in the country.

 

[TeeJay88]

Three eighths of the posse are in the house.

 

[TeeJay88]

You need to stop, you're looking more and more foolish. This was a flawed premise with flawed data and a flawed conclusion.....Cherry picking and insults/mocking aren't going to change that

Signed the Peegs.com forum police.

You've outkicked your coverage on this thread. Give it up.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

those other coaches are already established as elite, CTC is not.

wtf??

Crean is not established as elite? Didn't I make that point?

He's had EIGHT years!!! Just when will he "finally" become to that level? Just when will IU start getting the ROI of paying him $3.5 million/yr?

 

[TheSpa]

Three eighths of the posse are in the house.

A good number of the excuses and settlers are here, too. Some of us want more. You and a few others are content with less.